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If reputation was to make a return as positive only, your response would be...

Ho-Oh

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Posted April 23rd, 2022
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A few years back, and a few years before that, PC had a reputation system, which basically allowed you to comment on someone else's post, and with your assigned rep power, it would push the amount of reputation higher, or lower, based upon whether you were positively repping them, or negatively repping them. A while after it came back, reputation was abused once more, like in the past and was done away with. Since then, a post comments system had been implemented, where you could leave comments on someone's post, but without a number value assigned. The flaw with that though, is that without the number - nobody really cares to give out post comments anymore. This could be seen as a positive thing, or negative thing, depending on your views of post comments & reputation as a whole.

I'm sure it's been over a year since the reputation system became the post comments system, so I'm wondering, how would you feel if the reputation system returned, or the post comment system was enhanced, to only allow positive reputation?

There's a catch though, if so, there would be no ranking system on the members list, and only you personally would know the number, but having a numbers assigned may make people more willing to give out post comments for self value, or something along those lines. There would also be no bars next to your post, so as a whole, nobody would really know how much reputation you have. So really, there would be minimal chance of this being abused, and would highlight an underused system. Basically, how do you feel about this?

I believe that this would work successfully, to be honest. I don't necessarily think people have matured as much to be able to bring back negative reputation, but without a ranking system, you'd still be able to know your own reputation amount and it would encourage people to put more effort into posts (some who usually wouldn't) in the hopes that someone would give reputation to their post. And being someone who likes post comments - recieving and giving them, I think reptuation returning in the form of positive rep would be nice, but still as a whole, unlikely, sadly. Though it's still interesting to hear your thoughts on it. :)
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I don't think there's any point in a reputation system (private or otherwise) if there was no negative reputation allowed. And as we all know, history repeats itself: PC just isn't mature enough to deal with both sides of the reputation spectrum. Post comments are alright - at least that way, you can get the bad side as well as the good side of your posts but if we only had good reputation, all it'd do is inflate people's egos.

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I don't think there's any point in a reputation system (private or otherwise) if there was no negative reputation allowed. And as we all know, history repeats itself: PC just isn't mature enough to deal with both sides of the reputation spectrum. Post comments are alright - at least that way, you can get the bad side as well as the good side of your posts but if we only had good reputation, all it'd do is inflate people's egos.
I second this.

Also, even if the reputation is private, some people tend to do things simply to get reputation or ask people to rep them.

It is a pretty pointless system in my eyes.

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I personally feel that its really not a big deal if positive reputation were to return; well, I wasn't around when reputation started at PC, but, I can probably say that it be a nice gesture to show gratitude on a person's post. Though on the other hand? VMs and PMs work better, in my opinion.

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I can think of several ways the system can be abused "I'll positive rep you if you positive rep me" which defeats the entire purpose of the rep system. My take is, if the forum as a whole isn't mature enough to handle both positive and negative rep, then they aren't mature enough to handle rep at all.

I hardly even pay attention to post comments, though some of mine are lol.

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Terrible, n00by posts tend to stand out a lot more easily than excellent high-quality posts that have had a lot of time put into them. It was for that reason that 90% of the reputation I gave out back then was negative. Then we'd get Spey wannabe's pop up complaining about negative reputation, while in the process garnering even more of it from users that are annoyed at their complaining and the cycle would never end.

If reputation were to return with a positive-only twist, it'd be used a lot more rarely because, like I said before, high-quality well-thought-out posts don't stand out as much as the grammatical nightmares deserving of negative rep, or, even worse, it'd be abused by "I'll rep you if you rep me" kind of people. :/

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I can think of several ways the system can be abused "I'll positive rep you if you positive rep me" which defeats the entire purpose of the rep system. My take is, if the forum as a whole isn't mature enough to handle both positive and negative rep, then they aren't mature enough to handle rep at all.

I hardly even pay attention to post comments, though some of mine are lol.
This. There'll be oligopolies as people desperately try to get as much of it as possible. There'll be tears. There'll be too much hassle in dealing with the eventual fallout. Getting rid of reputation was one of the best things that PC did, and even in this altered form, I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing it back.

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/there needs to be an "I really couldn't care less" option; "I don't mind either way" just isn't the same

I honestly did not really like rep to begin with, but I couldn't care less if it came back or not in the example you gave. It would probably still end up being abused somehow, but who knows.
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I voted "I don't mind either way" - mainly because I won't be dealing with drama from it, because I'm not the dramatic type. But the way I see it is this: the only complaints people seem to have for bringing back positive rep are that:

1. It would be rarely used because it's easier to be negative
2. People would abuse it to get more rep.

My replies to that are 1. I would go out of my way to use it, because I don't tend to comment negatively. So while you may not personally use it, I would because I love to give people recognition when they post something I like. Although I do tend to just VM them instead of comment it. xD; and 2. If there's no ranking and no way for anyone else to know their number...what in the world do you care whether someone is repping them up for something stupid? It's not like it will make them look more reputable, or make them post worse for rep. All it will do is raise one number on their own screen. I don't really see why it matters to users what someone else does to raise their rep if it affects exactly 0 people outside of that person.

In the process of typing out my thoughts I started leaning more towards "Implement it, what will it hurt?" XD


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Also, even if the reputation is private, some people tend to do things simply to get reputation or ask people to rep them.
What's wrong about doing something to get reputation? As far as I know you don't give someone rep for spam, but for things you appreciate and that probably means good posts which would mean an overall improvement to the forum.

I like the sentiment of this new rep idea. It would let people who appreciate someone else's post give them some encouragement without all the drama of having it shown publicly. I know you can just vm someone and say "Hey, that post you made. I liked it" but that can be kind of awkward. At least it would be for me. And after several people it could get a little repetitive.

I don't see how it could be abused like rep was before, but I only saw the tail end of rep before it was taken away so I don't fully understand how bad that got. If people just trade rep then they'll know they didn't really earn it and since no one else will know it doesn't really affect anyone.

Hm, actually, I just thought of one possible downside. If someone doesn't get any rep they could feel like they're doing something wrong, or that no one likes them or something like that. I know that could happen anyway and it's-just-a-pokemon-forum, but if you imagine everyone else is getting rep while you get none then that could feel bad. But yea, I think it's worth considering. I wouldn't be sad if it never happened, but it shouldn't be shot down just because a different rep system failed a few years ago.

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I wasn't around, but I've visited many forums that have reputation (read: popularity) bars, and I wouldn't consider them very peaceful. Especially if there is only a reputation bar for one end of the stick rather than both- if there's only one for the good, its potential of abuse would be obvious, but it would be cumulative because it can't go down, and would therefore be a misrepresentation.

The costs outweigh the benefits.

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I wasn't around, but I've visited many forums that have reputation (read: popularity) bars, and I wouldn't consider them very peaceful. Especially if there is only a reputation bar for one end of the stick rather than both- if there's only one for the good, its potential of abuse would be obvious, but it would be cumulative because it can't go down, and would therefore be a misrepresentation.

The costs outweigh the benefits.
You wouldn't be able to see the reputation of the other people, so this isn't the same situation as other forums and can't be compared. I ask again of people who are so negative about this - "What do you care what someone else does for rep?" As long as they aren't VMing/PMing you repeatedly to convince you to give them rep, then I really don't see why you care since it's private. Even if someone had in their signature something like "I rep trade, PM me if you want some rep", it should not affect you in any way at all so you really don't have a reason to care. And if they are harassing people for rep, then they get infracted/banned, simple as that.


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You wouldn't be able to see the reputation of the other people, so this isn't the same situation as other forums and can't be compared. I ask again of people who are so negative about this - "What do you care what someone else does for rep?" As long as they aren't VMing/PMing you repeatedly to convince you to give them rep, then I really don't see why you care since it's private. Even if someone had in their signature something like "I rep trade, PM me if you want some rep", it should not affect you in any way at all so you really don't have a reason to care. And if they are harassing people for rep, then they get infracted/banned, simple as that.
I apologise. I assumed it was public (or I misread), like those NarutoForum ones. Now I agree- if it's private, then who cares?

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I said yeah because I still give out post comments. I wish I could give out more to show my gratitude to the better posters here. After all, I stick around because of the members...

Also, if reputation was hidden from non-staff, then staff can monitor who was a very good apple today. Who knows what happens after that... ? Don't believe me that those with the highest reputation are staff members today? Haha... the irony. =3=

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Perhaps instead we should add a "Thank"ing system as opposed to that? I dunno how kindly it would be taken to, but another forum I frequent has a system where you can click a button called "Thanks" which functions much like a "like" on facebook. You name appears below the post in a section of it with people who thanked the post. Now on this forum, there's an XP system and getting thanked adds to that, but we do not have to follow that exactly. It could simply be a way of showing gratitude to specific posts as Blade had said.

I dislike rep for its abusers.

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"A man doesn't know the value of something until it is taken from him"

I'm sure that everyone has learned their lesson from rep being taken away once, and if they truly liked it, then they won't abuse it again. I think it's nice to be appreciated for a post that I made and the ability to thank others for their constructive posts, as well. It's not as if we don't know which members are more "popular" than others, so it's not a big deal whether it's visible or not, imo.

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I don't think it is a good idea. It really didn't work last time and the time before because, harshly, some members aren't mature enough.

Back when we had the full reputation system, there was abuse + and -, so just adding + would still, most likely, have reputation abuse.
There is already a feedback system which people can use. I prefer to keep it this way! :3

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I don't think there's any point in a reputation system (private or otherwise) if there was no negative reputation allowed. And as we all know, history repeats itself: PC just isn't mature enough to deal with both sides of the reputation spectrum. Post comments are alright - at least that way, you can get the bad side as well as the good side of your posts but if we only had good reputation, all it'd do is inflate people's egos.
This is my thoughts exactly. Yeah, rep was cool, but all in all it was nothing but ego boosts or deflations. No matter how much you argue against it and say "oh only positive rep everyone would get the same treatment", some people will get more rep than others and that's almost the same thing as negative rep as far as building ego boosts and deflations. We don't need to add more drama back into PC. This should stay out.

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I can think of several ways the system can be abused "I'll positive rep you if you positive rep me" which defeats the entire purpose of the rep system. My take is, if the forum as a whole isn't mature enough to handle both positive and negative rep, then they aren't mature enough to handle rep at all.

I hardly even pay attention to post comments, though some of mine are lol.
Yeah.^
This is basically it. It would just be very stupid and the community would be flooded with reps. If a person likes a person, they'll just go to all their posts and positively rep them. The community would get out of hand.
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Yeah.^
This is basically it. It would just be very stupid and the community would be flooded with reps. If a person likes a person, they'll just go to all their posts and positively rep them. The community would get out of hand.
...And? Let's follow that to its conclusion:

1. Person A likes Person B.
2. Person A reps up all of Person B's posts.
3. Person B looks at his personal rep meter and sees that he has a lot more rep.
4. Person B is happy.

The literal worst case scenario for implementing this is people make posts that just say "rep me up and I'll rep you up", which could easily be infracted. A less worst-case scenario is that some people would ask in their post to be repped up, but have other post content. Another possible outcome is people have in their signatures "PM me for rep trade".

Don't get me wrong, I really don't care too much if this is implemented. I would use it if it was, but I wouldn't be bothered if it wasn't. What does bother me is how people choose to try to think of reasons to say no to a suggestion instead of trying to think up reasons to say yes. That's not directed at you in particular, and not even this suggestion. It just baffles me sometimes how negative people are on suggestions. ._.;


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Personally, I think it's pointless. The post comment option works fine. If people don't want to use that because there is no visible sign of a positive reputation, then I think reputation isn't the problem here. If you don't care enough to give out a post comment without a number, then I'm very apprehensive about the reasons you would give them out with a number attached to it. The original intent is gone.

Of course, it's disappointing not enough post comments are given out, but that can be remedied without having to resort to reputation, i.e. perhaps a simple community announcement, making the post comment icon more noticeable, giving them out more yourself, etc.

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