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Old December 15th, 2004 (3:24 PM).
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Here's my team:

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Adamant
252 attack, 136 special defence, 100 HP, 22 defence
Earthquake
Roar
HP bug
rock slide

My physical wall/sweeper. Takes care of many pokemon.

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Bold
252 HP, rest so the defences are equal...
mean look
baton pass
wish
taunt/confuse ray/ toxic/curse

Curse maybe for passing to Steelix...

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Bold
252 defence, 96 special defence, 120 HP, 42 special attack
Will-o-wisp
Haze
Pain split
T.bolt

Tank, hazer, blisskarm counter.

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Modest
252 special attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Psychic
Thunderpunch
Firepunch
Ice punch

Special sweeper. I prefer modest.

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Timid
252 speed, 180 special attack, 72 special defence, 6 HP
T.bolt
HP grass
agility
baton pass

Works with Alakazam

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Modest
252 HP, 152 special attack, 106 special defence
Wish
Acid armor
Surf
Ice beam

That's it. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old December 15th, 2004 (3:41 PM). Edited December 15th, 2004 by Mullet.
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Nature:Adamant
EVs:252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Sp. def
Earthquake
Rock Slide
HP Steel/Iron Tail
Explosion

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EVs:252 Sp. attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP/Sp. def
Calm Mind
Psychic
Thunderpunch
Recover

My Zam is so much different because I accually like Recover![font=tahoma] :D
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Old December 15th, 2004 (3:43 PM).
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Steelix - can't see the benefit of HP Bug, but I can't see where it could hurt either. Maybe consider Explosion somewhere on Steelix.

Umbreon - needs Rest, otherwise you're just asking to be Toxiced. Charm works too for trapping physical types - lower their attack,then Baton Pass and they can't hurt you

Weezing - looks fine, although I'd rather have Flamethrower over Thunderbolt

Alakazam - it works, versatile attacking moveset. To Mullet: Timid is the other choice for Zam's nature.

Jolteon - rather have HP Ice over HP Grass, says hi to Dragons. Wish works over Agility, and Sub over Baton Pass. (or you could keep Baton Pass for Substitutes)
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Old December 15th, 2004 (3:47 PM).
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HP bug on steelix...well I needed a counter for psychics and darks. I was actually going to change f.thrower on weezing, just then it does nothing to flash fires. Agility+baton pass Jolteon rocks on this team, and HP grass is there because otherwise I have no other grass moves. I like the phazing steelix. Umbreon and rest though...I just like wish!
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Old December 15th, 2004 (3:56 PM).
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I knew it, I ment Timid. I going to go fix that.

Explosion is a must on Steelix, it's for a tight spot, if your about to die and you can withstand two more attacks then choose to do Explosion and blow them up!
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:01 PM).
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Yeh, but...this phazing one should be fine. I'll try it on NB ASAP.
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:20 PM).
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Here's my team:

[email protected]/leichi berry
Adamant
252 attack, 136 special defence, 100 HP, 22 defence
Earthquake
Roar
HP bug
rock slide

My physical wall/sweeper. Takes care of many pokemon.

steelix is all about its defense... (having sp def evs is pointless) its not a defensive blissey... more def evs plz... explosion/de/toxic > hp bug

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Bold
252 HP, rest so the defences are equal...
mean look
baton pass
wish
taunt/confuse ray/ toxic/curse

Curse maybe for passing to Steelix...

cursebreon is pretty awsome... rest/moonlight are options > wish... EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 190 SDef w/ bold/impish nature makes the defs different by 1 point

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Bold
252 defence, 96 special defence, 120 HP, 42 special attack
Will-o-wisp
Haze
Pain split
T.bolt

Tank, hazer, blisskarm counter.

weezing smells

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Modest
252 special attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Psychic
Thunderpunch
Firepunch
Ice punch

Special sweeper. I prefer modest.

starmie says I OUTRUN YOU.. timid plz but meh...

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Timid
252 speed, 180 special attack, 72 special defence, 6 HP
T.bolt
HP grass
agility
baton pass

Works with Alakazam

earthquake > zam & jolt so y pass to it? your just going to get koed =\

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Modest
252 HP, 152 special attack, 106 special defence
Wish
Acid armor
Surf
Ice beam

That's it. Any comments would be appreciated.

toxic/haze/protect/roar > acid armor... noones going to be stupid enough to attack vaporeon physically
the only basic sweeper is kazam and kazam will not stay long so id say to put another back up sweeper in there... otherwise, this team is a tank stall team
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:36 PM).
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K, thanks.

Should I replace Steelix with CB Metagross? Timid Alakazam, Vaporeon with toxic.
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:49 PM).
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Klducks, Zam > Starmie, always. So its faster, big deal, its gonna get KOed anyways, and Starmie is a UU Pokemon so bleh. Modest always.

Steelix needs only about 300 HP and the rest can be thrown into Atk, Def or all Def. Steelix can't attack to beans, it only has attacks to do a bit of damage.

Umbreon shouldn't Cures at all on this team. You pass to Steelix and someone throws a Water type in your way, Steelix is not gonna survive at all, so you just wasted 7 turns (which would be extremely hard to pull off) of pointless stalling just to end up fainting. Also Umbreon can't gain much from Taunt unless your gonna put Spd Ev's on it.

I say just ditch the Umbreon for something else or put a big old Snorlax on your team, work on your Ev's and you should be all set to win some matchs =).
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:57 PM).
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My EVs are generally so that the pokemon have a certain stat, like Steelix with 301 HP and 200 special defence, same with Weezing. But thanks for the advice.
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Old December 15th, 2004 (4:59 PM).
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Klducks, Zam > Starmie, always. So its faster, big deal, its gonna get KOed anyways, and Starmie is a UU Pokemon so bleh. Modest always.
starmie will still do a # to kazam which might cost it =(

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Umbreon shouldn't Cures at all on this team.
i have to agree...in fact this team looks like a whole bunch of random pokes were thrown in this team =( 3 tanks, and 2 passers =\
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Old December 15th, 2004 (5:02 PM).
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My EVs are generally so that the pokemon have a certain stat, like Steelix with 301 HP and 200 special defence, same with Weezing. But thanks for the advice.
I like rounded numbers too, but seriously, Steelix with Sp.Def? IMO, thats about as smart as giving Slowbro Spd Ev's O.o...

To KL: I don't really see that many Starmies, unless someone has a UU or Water team. I wouldn't really think of it as a big threat, afterall, you have 5 other Pokemon that can jump it =).
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Old December 15th, 2004 (5:02 PM).
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Not really, just what works!

Ok, update:

Steelix-Evs changed a bit+explosion

Alakazam-Same

Vaporeon-Toxic over acid armor

Jolteon-Sub and thunder wave over baton pass and agility

Weezing and Umbreon-Do I ditch them both?
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