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H.R. 10
Preserving Freedom Of Speech Act

BILL SUMMARY:
Unless remarks offensive to demographic groups are specifically intended to gravely offend, intimidate, harass, or belittle specific individual(s), such remarks are not considered harassment or hate speech under the campus Code of Conduct.

PASSED A.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON 8/24/2011
AYES: 58
52/52 GOP, 6/49 DEM
NAYS: 43
43/50 DEM, 0/52 GOP

A.S. SENATE WILL VOTE ON BILL ON 8/31/2011
Membership: 13 GOP, 12 DEM
15 votes are need to invoke cloture in the event of a filibuster.

I'm a Republican Senator representing the Gay-Straight Alliance Club. I'm leaning towards a yes vote, but a slim plurality of my constituents oppose this bill. It would still be punishable by campus sanctions to intentionally and directly harass a student based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

OPPOSE 47%
SUPPORT 45%
NO OPINION/UNDECIDED 8%

What do you think?
I would probably vote yes, but you should ensure that people aren't going to be able to get out of punishment for harassment simply by saying that it wasn't intentional/targeted at anyone.

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I would probably vote yes, but you should ensure that people aren't going to be able to get out of punishment for harassment simply by saying that it wasn't intentional/targeted at anyone.
Student Judicial Affairs determines that at a hearing.

Those supporting the bill claim that they fear they'll get in trouble when discussing controversial topics in class. Also, they fear that saying that something is "gay" would be punishable.

Those opposing have expressed the same concerns you have.

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Here's a question: how do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?
Here's how I see it:

It does not offend me personally. If someone says "that's so gay" or whatever around me, it won't bother me, because I genuinely know they mean no harm. And I do agree that when people get offended by it it's overly sensitive. That said, I do think it sends an awful message to society in that 'gay' and 'bad' become synonymous. I've seen a new generation of kids start to use it, and that does worry me a little.

Also, there are enough words to describe 'bad', so I really don't see why it's needed at all. Just pick one of the existing ones rather than creating new ones, kids.

And in response to Flaps (welcome, by the way!), I don't believe for a second that it has become entirely detached from sexuality. It came from homosexuality and was no doubt originally homophobic in intent.
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Well, I've never really had to deal with it
Well, I take that back. Someone just yelled "Hey gay kid" to me as he drove by. I have officially been insulted for my sexuality for the first time. Yay me.

Ironically, he had a very high pitched voice.


(Although, I'm sure he had no clue who I was, and didn't actually think I was gay, but you know.)

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Haha congratulations QuilavaKing! You're officially part of the LGBT community now. If you just learn to laugh at a-holes like that then you automatically win life :)
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To get it out of the way: HERE COMES THE PC POLICE! WE JUST DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE FUN! WE JUST NEED THICKER SKIN!

Because that's a typical response given to those who feel the same way I do.

Here's a question: how do you feel when your friends or people around you say gay as another word?
I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.

I personally think you can say the word now, to call something gay, because I think its got another meaning now completely and utterly unrelated to sexuality.
Except people still first think of "gay" to mean homosexuality. There are people who identify as gay, and they shouldn't have the word also mean "stupid" when describing themselves. It's not like "hare" and "hair", which are homophones. "Gay" to mean homosexuality, happy, and stupid are just different definitions for the same word. And one of those definitions is offensive to a lot of people.

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Haha congratulations QuilavaKing! You're officially part of the LGBT community now. If you just learn to laugh at a-holes like that then you automatically win life :)


:D

To get it out of the way: HERE COMES THE PC POLICE! WE JUST DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE FUN! WE JUST NEED THICKER SKIN!

Because that's a typical response given to those who feel the same way I do.


I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.


Except people still first think of "gay" to mean homosexuality. There are people who identify as gay, and they shouldn't have the word also mean "stupid" when describing themselves. It's not like "hare" and "hair", which are homophones. "Gay" to mean homosexuality, happy, and stupid are just different definitions for the same word. And one of those definitions is offensive to a lot of people.
Generally speaking, I think most people don't intend for it to be offensive, and may not even realize that it's offensive, so I can forgive them for it. As long as they really aren't intending to insult anyone.
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I'll take it to mean that you are talking about "That's so gay" when "gay" is being used to describe something in a negative manner.

It offends me. Because they're making it out to be that being gay is a negative thing. A bad thing, a stupid thing, a thing that should be hated. Which isn't true, but that's what that kind of language implies.
I say that's so gay all the time or I'll tell someone that they are being gay, but I don't mean it in a negative way. :[

ex: My last avatar, was so gay-looking lol

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I don't get mad at people saying something is "gay" because it doesn't mean "Oh that's so stupid like a homosexual" it's just slang..like "What's up?" for "stupid." It has no relation to sexuality.

Now, when they say "Look at that hag" and mean it as "Look at that flaming homosexual" I will personally make sure they die in the flame I breathe out.
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By saying "that's so gay" it's implying that there is something wrong with homosexuality and in your mind, it gives it a negative connotation so I refuse to let my friends even use it.

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I feel like again I should re-iterate: why is it even needed? What's the point of it? Are there not enough words for 'stupid' already?
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And in response to Flaps (welcome, by the way!), I don't believe for a second that it has become entirely detached from sexuality. It came from homosexuality and was no doubt originally homophobic in intent.
Thankyou for the welcome!

Now. I could be entirely wrong on this, I've not researched it so definitely feel free to correct me.

But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.
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Thankyou for the welcome!

Now. I could be entirely wrong on this, I've not researched it so definitely feel free to correct me.

But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.
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Yeah, happy is another meaning for the word gay, but I can assure you that this new usage did not come from happy lol, it came from homosexual. It's therefore homophobic by definition - the idea that it could have since broken off to form another meaning entirely does not change where it came from or the connotations it will always have because of this.
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By saying "that's so gay" it's implying that there is something wrong with homosexuality and in your mind, it gives it a negative connotation so I refuse to let my friends even use it.
Exactly Jub, Gothitelle, it's just like someone saying, "that's so black" or "that's so Jewish" when something horrible or irritating happens. It implies that those groups of people are irritating to the rest of the world. Beyond that, when someone says "that's so gay," they intend to say "that's so homosexual" not "that's so happy," you would be lying or rather naive to believe otherwise. Many words have multiple meaning, but usually one can determine which meaning is meant to be conveyed. Ex. "This purebred Maltese poodle is a three-year-old *****." But if someone tells a woman, "You are such a b**ch, the word becomes derogatory, and not acceptable (in the majority of cases!)

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But didn't gay originally mean "happy"? So it didn't come from homosexuality. Obviously people did use it with homophobic intentions, but I believe its moving on from that now. Obviously not for everyone there are still people who use it offensively but I believe its not synonymous anymore.
Perhaps in some parts of the world, but where I live, people seem to use gay (among other more provocative words) to describe a lot of things and throw it around insultingly all the time. Rather unfortunate, really, considering the fact that I see it being used now more than in the past. Makes me wonder where in the world you live that it isn't being used like that.

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I personally have no issue with people using "gay" as a slur. I know that 90% of them have no intentions of being homophobic, and it's just become a natural part of speech.
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I personally have no issue with people using "gay" as a slur. I know that 90% of them have no intentions of being homophobic, and it's just become a natural part of speech.
Yeah this. It's just a part of speech to me. I don't mean to say anything mean about homosexuals. I just hate it when I can't say gay because of them.

I mean, I'm half black and such and if anyone or any friends of mine said the N word, then I wouldn't say they aren't aloud to say it. I personally wouldn't care. :p

Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424
I've seen that on TV, that was a good episode. Personally I wouldn't really say anything but yeah. Since I myself find having two moms/dads weird.

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Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424
Wow, that's awesome. I hope it was legit.

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That video was posted by someone a while back (I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, anyway, but I could be wrong). That was quite possibly the most heartwarming video I've ever seen.

Also, it's time for more gay news! This is a pair of articles about an Australian bigot politician named Bob Katter who is vehemently against gay marriage. You'll need to read both articles to get why it's so interesting. In a way, it's an Australian Michelle Bachmann parallel.

Article 1
Article 2

I think more disturbing than the articles is one of the comments I saw on Article 2:

You are a defeatist Sunshine. The way our government is treating this country, it will soon be taken over by muslims. Then Bob won't have anything to worry about, because they will soon get rid of the Gay movement, with one clear swipe.
Carl said Bob is inciting hate ..... no Bob is not! Carl and his Gay group are inciting hate by trying to steal into marriage of straight people.

If they want to live their life in this disgusting manner, then let them find another name for it. The Gay community is inciting hatred in people..

How sad for Bob to have Carl as his half Brother."
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That video was posted by someone a while back (I'm pretty sure it was in this thread, anyway, but I could be wrong). That was quite possibly the most heartwarming video I've ever seen.

Also, it's time for more gay news! This is a pair of articles about an Australian bigot politician named Bob Katter who is vehemently against gay marriage. You'll need to read both articles to get why it's so interesting. In a way, it's an Australian Michelle Bachmann parallel.

Article 1
Article 2

I think more disturbing than the articles is one of the comments I saw on Article 2:
And now I'm sad again. :(

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Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424
I'm not surprised. In big cities, people tend to keep to themselves and their company while in public. In small towns, people are more social with strangers.

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Everybody please watch this video from start to finish. I loved that people aren't afraid to voice their support for gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424
Okay, talk about ironic when you go to watch a video about gay parents and youtube gives you an ad for mattresses showing a bunch of naked-but-covered straight couples lying in bed.

I saw this once before and it's great to know there are good people out there.