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Originally Posted by gee2k8
This thought has plagued my mind alot over the last few generations of pokemon and i feel i need some views of others to ease my mind. The topic at matter is naturally competitive battling(this forum duuuu!) and how i feel things like shoddy and pokesav maybe ruined the competitive field for wifi users and people who like to grind out items, natures and ivs. To name a few: 'battle frontier items(takes alot of time) and pickup items that require lvl 81+ meowth etc'(i've raised 3 of these this gen to find 2 leftovers).
I personally have used shoddy a little bit in the past and what i found is that its not that enjoyable compared to breeding your own pokemon and using them in battle. When breeding/catching your own it feels like the hard work of gaining decent ivs and breeding for the right nature actually brings alot more satisfaction to a victory and makes you work harder in the future when a defeat occurs. What i am frustrated with is that i notice more and more that in wifi battles people are using a full team of shinies with what i can only guess are max iv'd pokemon. Obviously getting both in the game is a very possible task, but the amount of time and effort required just shows me they have been pokesav'd. On this note i was just wondering if anyone knew of a community that played the games for what they actually we're and had battles to a legit standard.
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I honestly feel that Pokesav is dropping off the scene. RNG, which is a perfectly legal method of obtaining pokemon, offers a very easy way of getting shiny pokemon with perfect IVs. All it takes is a small program on the computer that can tell you at what times these pokemon will appear, and then some syncing with your DS clock on your part. It's not hard at all, and the majority of the pokemon wifi community views it as acceptable. It still takes work, as you'll have to EV the pokemon yourself and get correct moves and such, but it takes out that whole chance thing and puts more emphasis on training.
As for simulators, they aren't connected to Wifi in any way, aside from tier selection (which is a good thing in all honesty). What happens in Pokemon Online's (and Shoddy's in the past) metagame does not affect that of Wifi's. It's just natural for Wifi's metagame to evolve at a slower rate as well due to the fact that people don't want to constantly want to train new pokemon just to fit the metagame.
Regardless of your position on simulators, there is are quite a few positive aspects of them. One, as stated by Zeffy, is that they are free and offer ways for those who can't afford the games / DSs to play pokemon with other people easily. Another thing they do is save time. Say what you will, but if you think saving time is a bad thing, I can't imagine the amount of patience you have.
Takes this scenario for instance: I once made a team in Wifi, in which I decided to use Mismagius instead of Gengar on my team because she had Pain Split and I felt that was a selling point on her. Don't get me wrong, Mismagius is a good pokemon, but for the job I wanted her to do, Gengar was much more suitable. After training Mismagius, I realized she wasn't working with the team. I just basically wasted my time breeding, EV training, and getting the right moveset / item for her only to find out that she wasn't good enough for my team. Most teams however will require more tweaking than just one pokemon to be exceptional. Just imagine having to train over a dozen pokemon for just one team because you wanted to experiment.
Pokemon Online lets you do just that in mere minutes: experiment. It's a time saver and people who play Pokemon Online don't necessarily ditch Wifi. They like to test teams on the simulator, figure out what works, and perfect their team before spending time on it for Wifi. In which case, the majority of
this community uses RNG for IVs, Nature, and Shininess, and then EV train and get moveset in a completely legitimate way. I can't imagine Pokesav is gone entirely, because I know it's not, but it's drastically lost popularity with how easy RNG is and the fact that it's accepted by the majority of the community as legal.
tl;dr - RNG is more popular than Pokesav now; Simulators are awesome because they can save time for experimenting with teams.