Anonymous

Started by Nerdy Mojo August 5th, 2011 12:14 PM
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ever since the infamous PSN hack anonymous has become notorious. i keep seeing blogs and such that keep warning about the impending doom that Anonymous is going to bring to the internet/world, and see alot of wanna be anonymous members (i know anonymous is a collective that virtually anyone can join but some of these kids dont know ssh from php, or input from output for that matter)

in the good ole days the greatest hackers were unknown until they were either done or regrettably caught. now with the advent of affordable internet and proliferation of nerd/techie/hacker culture to the mainstream audience people are giving hackers a bad name. at least read the hacker ethics manifesto or something before toying with altering code.

anybody have an opinion on Anonymous or hacking/hackers in general?
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Anonymous has been known of for a lot longer than the PSN attack. But yeah, most members are just some idiot script-kiddies who think doing it makes a difference.

This guy is agreeable with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQMhNo1WPY8&feature=channel_video_title

that gunnshop guy is pretty entertaining. ive seen acouple of his videos and this one made me lol.

but yeah ive heard of anonymous before the psn hack but havent seen so much pr for them since that incident.

btw i cant actually support an organization that makes me unable to download games i previously bought, so my new-now-returned psp go became a mp3 and mp4 player..........screw anonymous
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that gunnshop guy is pretty entertaining. ive seen acouple of his videos and this one made me lol.

but yeah ive heard of anonymous before the psn hack but havent seen so much pr for them since that incident.

btw i cant actually support an organization that makes me unable to download games i previously bought, so my new-now-returned psp go became a mp3 and mp4 player..........screw anonymous
Yeah, they are pretty annoying, but to my understanding, nobody in Anonymous ever called that attack, and it was just a few rogue members. They aren't complete monsters either, the organization as a whole only calls attacks on people who are against free speech, or calls out anonymous.

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in the good ole days the greatest hackers were unknown until they were either done or regrettably caught. now with the advent of affordable internet and proliferation of nerd/techie/hacker culture to the mainstream audience people are giving hackers a bad name. at least read the hacker ethics manifesto or something before toying with altering code.
You say this like it's something new. Hackers are doing the same thing they have always done: point out gaping security flaws. And they have the same reputation they've always had. Tech-illiterate people still don't understand the issue and think they're going to break into their PC and upload all their porn to their wives or whatever. Nothing has changed.

that gunnshop guy is pretty entertaining. ive seen acouple of his videos and this one made me lol.

but yeah ive heard of anonymous before the psn hack but havent seen so much pr for them since that incident.

btw i cant actually support an organization that makes me unable to download games i previously bought, so my new-now-returned psp go became a mp3 and mp4 player..........screw anonymous
Anonymous is not an organization. I really can't believe people still believe this. It is, by definition, not an organization. It is the name given to people who don't have an online identity. Saying "Anonymous hacked such and such" is absurd, and the absurdity should be apparent if you reread the sentence with a lowercase 'a'.
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I know for a fact that Anonymous, as a whole itself, never really does harm. The folks who hacked PSN? They were a splinter group. Anonymous never really liked the idea of the operation, and many dutiful anons tried to 'sage' the idea to the great 404 page down below...but to no avail. Enough kiddies got together and were able to pull it off.

Same goes for the entire AntiSec operation. Nobody really wanted it, so those n00bs split off and founded LulzSec. LulzSec has nothing really to do with Anonymous. They are posing. They are Crackers.


It's one thing to hack a website, and email the entire company a copy of their username/password DBs. Laughs are had and the vulnerability is disclosed...lessons are in fact learned.

It's entirely ANOTHER thing to hack said website and publish all the data you find online for all to see. This obviously exempts situations like Cablegate...that was a leak, not hacking perse.

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I know for a fact that Anonymous, as a whole itself, never really does harm. The folks who hacked PSN? They were a splinter group. Anonymous never really liked the idea of the operation, and many dutiful anons tried to 'sage' the idea to the great 404 page down below...but to no avail. Enough kiddies got together and were able to pull it off.

Same goes for the entire AntiSec operation. Nobody really wanted it, so those n00bs split off and founded LulzSec. LulzSec has nothing really to do with Anonymous. They are posing. They are Crackers.
Anonymous has a lot to do between the derp pictures, fap threads, and furry hate.

Seriously, I was "part" of them for a while. You give them too much credit and raise them wayyy above what they actually are.


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*sigh* You underestimate where I have been fellow /b/rother.
I've sit in anon ops IRC channels to silently watch what is going on. I've idled next to the hackers unobtrusively, unknown to them. Just idling. Just another Anon. Occasionally speaking only to prove my humanity. I lurk moar. I watch and see what is going on even though I do not partake in any of it.
I cast cautious eyes on their twitter, and the various blogs claiming to be the mouthpiece. I keep informed. Do you?

One of the prime "Guidelines" of Anonymous is simply this:
"ANONYMOUS IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY"

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What you're doing is picking a few people out of the masses and saying "No, THEY'RE Anonymous! They are because I say so!" You claim to speak for "Anonymous as a whole", while only speaking for the parts that are actually out for the good of people, if even that. I'm sure there ARE good people there, there's no doubt. If someone does something bad, you're going to either say "they weren't the REAL Anonymous" or "you just don't understand what they did".

I'm glad you...watched hackers chat, I guess. Good for you? That doesn't mean that Anonymous is anything more than a group of people on an imageboard that has a significantly higher level of technological aptitude and jerk-ness than most of the internet. You might as well not bother, you're not going to override what I know by saying "I know this, listen to me", and that's the only argument you have as to why Anonymous is exactly what you say it is and nothing else.


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What you're doing is picking a few people out of the masses and saying "No, THEY'RE Anonymous! They are because I say so!" You claim to speak for "Anonymous as a whole", while only speaking for the parts that are actually out for the good of people, if even that. I'm sure there ARE good people there, there's no doubt. If someone does something bad, you're going to either say "they weren't the REAL Anonymous" or "you just don't understand what they did".

I'm glad you...watched hackers chat, I guess. Good for you? That doesn't mean that Anonymous is anything more than a group of people on an imageboard that has a significantly higher level of technological aptitude and jerk-ness than most of the internet. You might as well not bother, you're not going to override what I know by saying "I know this, listen to me", and that's the only argument you have as to why Anonymous is exactly what you say it is and nothing else.
Do enlighten me, where exactly in my previous posts did I ever say I spoke for Anonymous in part or in full? I don't ever recall saying as much in any exact wording or intent. I speak from my own personal experience as you do, and considering that my experience would generally seem greater in that subject, because I've likely studied them longer and been among them for longer than you could have been, it should stand to reason then that I do likely have a better idea of the picture than you do. You don't appear to pay very close attention to them, you seem have your preconceived notions of them and are satisfied with that.

You appear to judge them based only upon what just about anybody knows about Anonymous and yet you pretend, no, insist that you "know" more about it than I do.

Furthermore who said I was overriding what you know? Thus far you've spoken truth yes, but only a very small portion of it. I don't believe you know anything more than what I do. You label "Anons" as your "standard issue /b/ user". This is true, much of them visit /b/, but that has no gravity upon their intelligence or their ability to band together to stand up for human rights when they must.

The very idea that Anonymous really ever had anything worse than a mischevious prankster like intent is a fallacy propagated by big media agencies and people more ignorant than ourselves. You know this, or I take it on good faith that you do anyway. The ideal of the general group tends to simply be "Stop injustice", typically through generally harmless forms of protest like DDoS or Pizza flooding or prank calling. The bigger the injustice, the bigger the reaction, and therefore the participation. It is true that some newbies think Anonymous is their personal army. They are wrong. It is true that some of those newbies band together with more skilled users of like minds...but when they do so they've left the realm of Anonymous, regardless of the fact that they may fly the "Anonymous" banner.


You can try to rationalize your prejudices away all you like, all I ask is that you stop denying them and actually try to find out more from the source, not that crap the media is feeding to anyone who will listen nor that crap from anonymoussabu, who is a known pretender.

Know that if I were speaking on behalf of Anonymous, I would not do so from here, it would be on Anonymous letterhead and would end with their usual sign off. You would not know it was I who was speaking...real Anonymous communications seldom come from a single source twice...and it would have been collaborated upon by other members of Anonymous before being posted. I'd actually have the class to make it official.

But since I only speak from personal experience, well that really -isn't- needed. I just don't believe this thread needs to turn into an "Anonymous bashing" thread. I dont always agree with what they do, no one member really does...it's all by majority and there's no central structure whatsoever. It's all possible "For the Right Hand to not know what the Left Hand is doing." But that doesn't mean that anything not condoned by the majority and not preceded with an authentic press release is actually the work of Anonymous. It is the work of individuals.

P.S. Anonymous doesn't usually release things only on pastebin. There's usually an image for circulation around /b/ too, since it's well known that the media lurks there waiting for tidbits to fall out.


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To further clarify my point, what gives you the right to pin all the blame on Anonymous? You don't even bother to differentiate between the case of the first letter of the word? 'anonymous' does NOT equal 'Anonymous', regardless of what the under-informed say.

@Twocows: Pretending they don't exist won't make them go away...not that they really do begin to technically exist until some Government or entity oversteps it's own boundaries and egregiously violates the rights of otherwise normal online users. It is true, Anonymous vanishes when there is nothing left to be protested. But that is not the case as of now, Assange is still on trial, ect, ect.

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Do enlighten me, where exactly in my previous posts did I ever say I spoke for Anonymous in part or in full? I don't ever recall saying as much in any exact wording or intent. I speak from my own personal experience as you do, and considering that my experience would generally seem greater in that subject, because I've likely studied them longer and been among them for longer than you could have been, it should stand to reason then that I do likely have a better idea of the picture than you do. You don't appear to pay very close attention to them, you seem have your preconceived notions of them and are satisfied with that.

You appear to judge them based only upon what just about anybody knows about Anonymous and yet you pretend, no, insist that you "know" more about it than I do.

Furthermore who said I was overriding what you know? Thus far you've spoken truth yes, but only a very small portion of it. I don't believe you know anything more than what I do. You label "Anons" as your "standard issue /b/ user". This is true, much of them visit /b/, but that has no gravity upon their intelligence or their ability to band together to stand up for human rights when they must.

The very idea that Anonymous really ever had anything worse than a mischevious prankster like intent is a fallacy propagated by big media agencies and people more ignorant than ourselves. You know this, or I take it on good faith that you do anyway. The ideal of the general group tends to simply be "Stop injustice", typically through generally harmless forms of protest like DDoS or Pizza flooding or prank calling. The bigger the injustice, the bigger the reaction, and therefore the participation. It is true that some newbies think Anonymous is their personal army. They are wrong. It is true that some of those newbies band together with more skilled users of like minds...but when they do so they've left the realm of Anonymous, regardless of the fact that they may fly the "Anonymous" banner.


You can try to rationalize your prejudices away all you like, all I ask is that you stop denying them and actually try to find out more from the source, not that crap the media is feeding to anyone who will listen nor that crap from anonymoussabu, who is a known pretender.

Know that if I were speaking on behalf of Anonymous, I would not do so from here, it would be on Anonymous letterhead and would end with their usual sign off. You would not know it was I who was speaking...real Anonymous communications seldom come from a single source twice...and it would have been collaborated upon by other members of Anonymous before being posted. I'd actually have the class to make it official.

But since I only speak from personal experience, well that really -isn't- needed. I just don't believe this thread needs to turn into an "Anonymous bashing" thread. I dont always agree with what they do, no one member really does...it's all by majority and there's no central structure whatsoever. It's all possible "For the Right Hand to not know what the Left Hand is doing." But that doesn't mean that anything not condoned by the majority and not preceded with an authentic press release is actually the work of Anonymous. It is the work of individuals.

P.S. Anonymous doesn't usually release things only on pastebin. There's usually an image for circulation around /b/ too, since it's well known that the media lurks there waiting for tidbits to fall out.
The way you're speaking for them is by claiming you know who belongs in the group and who does not. You don't have to say "This comes from Anonymous" to claim something that you can't possibly know unless you are trying to speak for them.

I'm not claiming to know who belongs in Anonymous and who does not. Due to the nature of the group, Anonymous can be any one group that claims to be them. Like you said, there is no central structure. Therefore, there is no leader. Therefore, how can one group be considered the "real" Anonymous and one a "poser"? What you've been claiming it seems is that their actions define who they are; if they act the way you have seen them act, then they are Anonymous. If they're malicious, if they're only out for entertainment, if they don't stop injustice but instead are just out for whatever they feel like doing, then they are not.

What I've been telling you is that Anonymous changes all the time. Often 90% of people who consider themselves "in" the group won't remain for whatever they're doing next, so claiming that the group has to act a certain way to be considered the group would imply that one is only allowed into the group if they agree with certain ideals, which is certainly untrue. While sometimes they do have a positive influence in mind, in general Anonymous is a chaotic neutral group. It has plenty of people that want to make the world better, and plenty of people that want to make the world burn, and plenty of people that don't care either way and just want to do something.

As far as an Anonymous bashing thread, no one here has bashed Anonymous. If that was referring to me, then you are far more sensitive than you let on, and considering the thread is about the group, it's only to be expected that a discussion on what it's made of will crop up.

I'm not claiming my "experience" on the subject because it's not necessary. Besides, I could easily lie to you, not like I can prove whether or not I've done anything I claim I do, so it should be irrelevant to this discussion. Instead of saying "I have more experience so I must know better" when you're not even sure of that, please make points that refute what I'm saying instead of crying experience and prejudice. That gets you nowhere.


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I'm not just claiming...I know who has Anonymous' true intent at heart and who really doesn't. You simply cannot lump everyone who hacks into Anonymous. It's just scapegoating and you know it!

A "Poser" group never really cares about the basic tenements of Anonymous. They're in it for a patsy, an excuse to make trouble.

Furthermore it's clear to me that you're just going in circles and bringing up the same darn objection as if nothing I've said had any effect. Enjoy believing what you want then.

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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who claims to know anything about groups like these is just talking dribble since they can't really prove anything. Therefore, it remains their opinion and not a fact. That's the thing here Pachy. You can't really claim anything as fact since you have no evidence.

That said, nobody will ever really know what "Anonymous" is, since it isn't really a legitimate organization (if one at all). Just because a few people claim to be a part of it, doesn't mean it actually exists. If people everywhere started saying they were part of the "Snippy Fun Hug Group" on the internet, and anyone could say they were part of it, doesn't mean it's actually in existence at all, since anyone can make that claim since there's no official way to confirm or deny it. What I'm saying is, Anonymous can't have a single entity, and therefore cannot have a correct entity, until they have some sort of documentation to solidify what they are. Until then, anyone who claims to be Anonymous, IS.

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I've seen Anonymous described as a 'reverse panopticon', possibly the most fitting single definition one could give for it.


A "Poser" group never really cares about the basic tenements of Anonymous. They're in it for a patsy, an excuse to make trouble.
Yet that is Anonymous' only 'tenent': doing it for the lulz.

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I just wish they'd chosen an actual group name (assuming it is a group and not people acting on their own in separate occasions) instead of piggy-backing on the Anonymous from 4chan. People who pride themselves on frequenting 4chan and being Anons don't need any more internet attention feeding their egos. *roll eyes*

To me, it doesn't matter who they are or who they claim to be. It's one thing to hack into a system and say to the company/owner "look, I did it. you have some holes in your security" and quite another to widely publicize personal account information. :/ They have no sympathy from me and I hope they're held to the full extent of whatever laws can apply, assuming any of them are caught.


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