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Old September 6th, 2011 (9:14 AM). Edited September 9th, 2011 by Darkfly.
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    Old September 8th, 2011 (11:19 AM).
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    Baton Passers should always run some kind of offensive move to break Substitutes and deal with Taunt, although Espeon is a much better Baton Passer because it is immune to Taunt and Roar due to Magic Bounce. It's simply too easy for the opponent to set up on Umbreon and sweep you when it runs that set.
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    Old September 8th, 2011 (1:01 PM).
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      Much agreed with Vrai up there. You should probably run Payback on that set too in place of Yawn or Mean Look. Either that, or ditch Mean Look for Pursuit so you can hit their forced switch out of Yawn with Pursuit and take a good chunk from them.
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      Old September 8th, 2011 (3:10 PM).
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        I also agree but this Umbreon is designed to take a few hits and TRAP THE OPPONENT while setting up. If substituting is a big issue then simply switch out. The strategy is to trap a sweeper in battle, set up until the brink of death, and sweep with a really fast sweeper. Good point though
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        Old September 8th, 2011 (6:27 PM).
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        I also agree but this Umbreon is designed to take a few hits and TRAP THE OPPONENT while setting up. If substituting is a big issue then simply switch out. The strategy is to trap a sweeper in battle, set up until the brink of death, and sweep with a really fast sweeper. Good point though ^_^
        Only works if you're trapping defensive Pokemon, not a sweeper, that's kind of a bad move, here. Reason being that lots of things run Focus Blast nowadays, and Umbreon at most is 2HKOd by really powerful focus blasts. Not only that, Scrafty can pose a problem as well. In fact, DD Scrafty is very detrimental to Baton Pass Umbreon. It can easily set up with DD and 2HKO(or so) Umbreon almost effortlessly. >>

        Either way, I'm a bit meh on umbreon overall because if taunt is used on it, it's essentially set-up bait. I'd be very wary of Thundurus if I were you in that case. :x
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