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Old December 27th, 2004 (9:51 PM). Edited December 27th, 2004 by Phlemingo.
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I've seen all those topics where people would rate your team, but it usually only permits them to rate, and it takes quite long as you have to queue, sort of. So, I made my own RMT thread for more views.
The same standards, but a couple of them are BL...

[email protected], sturdy
123 hp, 252 att, 135 def
Adamant Nature
Steel Wing
Hp ground
Spikes
Whirlwind

Welp, basically what I do is withdraw him first turn, to see if there are magnetons. If there are, with a little prediction, next time I send skarm out, magneton will be OHKO'd. Steel Wing, because people expect drill peck. The other 2 moves... normal.

[email protected] Berry, Insomnia
26 att, 60 def, 252 spd, 172 sp att
Hasty Nature
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting
Knock Off

Skarmbliss counter. Rapid Spinners... often used ones like claydol, starmie,
can be hit by super effective hits from him, and he's what I switch in when I see a rapid spinner after skarm has done his stuff. Insomnia - teh roxorz trait.

[email protected] Berry, Volt Absorb
252 spd, 252 sp att, 6 def
Timid Nature
Substitute
Baton Pass
Thunderbolt
HP Grass

People like sending Swampert into him. Hence HP Grass. Baton Pass - Sub passable, and Petaya Berry boost to Tentacruel for mix sweepage. Other than that, self explanatory.

[email protected] Berry, Liquid Ooze
6 att, 92 def, 252 spd, 156 sp att
Naive Nature
Swords Dance
Rapid Spin
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb

Liquid Ooze to switch into leech seeders, then I can pelt them with Sludge Bomb. Other than that, self-explanatory.

[email protected], Natural Cure
252 def, 252 hp, 6 spd
Bold Nature
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Heal Bell

Do I even need to explain this one?

[email protected], Sticky Hold
212 hp, 122 att, 136 def, 40 sp def
Careful Nature
Sludge bomb
Substitute
Focus Punch
Haze

101 sub yeah! I've been seeing doubleteaming n00bs lately. Haze is the way to go, after I've set myself up with a nice sub.
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:03 PM).
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I've seen all those topics where people would rate your team, but it usually only permits them to rate, and it takes quite long as you have to queue, sort of. So, I made my own RMT thread for more views.
The same standards, but a couple of them are BL...

[email protected], sturdy
123 hp, 252 att, 135 def
Adamant Nature
Steel Wing
Hp ground
Spikes
Whirlwind

Welp, basically what I do is withdraw him first turn, to see if there are magnetons. If there are, with a little prediction, next time I send skarm out, magneton will be OHKO'd. Steel Wing, because people expect drill peck. The other 2 moves... normal.

[email protected] Berry, Insomnia
26 att, 60 def, 252 spd, 172 sp att
Hasty Nature
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

Skarmbliss counter. Rapid Spinners... often used ones like claydol, starmie,
can be hit by super effective hits from him, and he's what I switch in when I see a rapid spinner after skarm has done his stuff. Insomnia - teh roxorz trait.

[email protected] Berry, Volt Absorb
252 spd, 252 sp att, 6 def
Timid Nature
Substitute
Baton Pass
Thunderbolt
HP Grass

People like sending Swampert into him. Hence HP Grass. Baton Pass - Sub passable, and Petaya Berry boost to Tentacruel for mix sweepage. Other than that, self explanatory.

[email protected] Berry, Liquid Ooze
6 att, 92 def, 252 spd, 156 sp att
Naive Nature
Swords Dance
Rapid Spin
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb

Liquid Ooze to switch into leech seeders, then I can pelt them with Sludge Bomb. Other than that, self-explanatory.

[email protected], Natural Cure
252 def, 252 hp, 6 spd
Bold Nature
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Heal Bell

Do I even need to explain this one?

[email protected], Sticky Hold
212 hp, 122 att, 136 def, 40 sp def
Careful Nature
Sludge bomb
Substitute
Focus Punch
Haze

101 sub yeah! I've been seeing doubleteaming n00bs lately. Haze is the way to go, after I've set myself up with a nice sub.
I like HP Steel or HP Flying over Steel Wing on Skarm.

On Banette your missing an attack, I guess you could put on Night Shade, but I'm not really sure because I never used him before.

[email protected] [Trait:Senere Grace]
Nature:+Sp. def, -attack
EVs:252 HP, 252 Sp. def/def, 6 def/Sp. def
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Aromatherpy
Softbolied

I don't really see any other problems with the other Pokes.
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:24 PM).
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Thanks for the rate. As for Banette, I gave him something but forgot to put it here. I've edited my post already.
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:29 PM).
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Your welcome, I should have thought of that, Knock Off works pretty well.

It was an easy mistake to make!
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:30 PM).
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you seem well set against most standards, but a good ground type/salamence will harm you pretty badly. might want to consider something over muk or tentacruel to deal with that ground weakness, as skarm isn't going to help you against flamethrower mence ;-(
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:33 PM).
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Originally Posted by Phlemingo
I've seen all those topics where people would rate your team, but it usually only permits them to rate, and it takes quite long as you have to queue, sort of. So, I made my own RMT thread for more views.
The same standards, but a couple of them are BL...

[email protected], sturdy
123 hp, 252 att, 135 def
Adamant Nature
Steel Wing
Hp ground
Spikes
Whirlwind

Welp, basically what I do is withdraw him first turn, to see if there are magnetons. If there are, with a little prediction, next time I send skarm out, magneton will be OHKO'd. Steel Wing, because people expect drill peck. The other 2 moves... normal.

hp steel/flying > steel wing

[email protected] Berry, Insomnia
26 att, 60 def, 252 spd, 172 sp att
Hasty Nature
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

Skarmbliss counter. Rapid Spinners... often used ones like claydol, starmie,
can be hit by super effective hits from him, and he's what I switch in when I see a rapid spinner after skarm has done his stuff. Insomnia - teh roxorz trait.

knock off, snatch, recover/wow/wave, night shade

[email protected] Berry, Volt Absorb
252 spd, 252 sp att, 6 def
Timid Nature
Substitute
Baton Pass
Thunderbolt
HP Grass

People like sending Swampert into him. Hence HP Grass. Baton Pass - Sub passable, and Petaya Berry boost to Tentacruel for mix sweepage. Other than that, self explanatory.

6 hp

[email protected] Berry, Liquid Ooze
6 att, 92 def, 252 spd, 156 sp att
Naive Nature
Swords Dance
Rapid Spin
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb

Liquid Ooze to switch into leech seeders, then I can pelt them with Sludge Bomb. Other than that, self-explanatory.

id rather have hp ghost/ground > rapid spin for a better sweeping power

[email protected], Natural Cure
252 def, 252 hp, 6 spd
Bold Nature
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Heal Bell

Do I even need to explain this one?

=\

[email protected], Sticky Hold
212 hp, 122 att, 136 def, 40 sp def
Careful Nature
Sludge bomb
Substitute
Focus Punch
Haze

101 sub yeah! I've been seeing doubleteaming n00bs lately. Haze is the way to go, after I've set myself up with a nice sub.

id rather make it a skarm bliss counter instead of banette and have flamethrower > haze or s bomb
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Old December 27th, 2004 (10:57 PM).
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I can't have the HP for Skarm, because I gave him HP Ground. Changed Muk to Weezing because of what Curburo san said,

[email protected]
252 att, 6 def, 252 sp def, Sassy
Sludge Bomb
Haze
Fire Blast
Will O Wisp

Howzat? Banette is too fragile to do all those stuff... I think chiefly sweeping should be what it does. I changed it to physical sweeper.

Jolly, 42 att, 116 def, 100 sp def, 252 spd.
Snatch over t-bolt. I'm keeping him because of the type and because of insomnia.
Jolteon - Done.

Not sure what else I should change.
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Old December 27th, 2004 (11:11 PM).
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No point in HP Ground, Magneton owns that Skarmory. You know why? Because since Magneton's stats arn't really that good, I will throw everything into Sp.Atk and Speed. Skarmory comes out, I send out some random Pokemon. You Spike as Magneton comes out, I outspeed you and KO Skarmory.
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Old December 27th, 2004 (11:25 PM).
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Welp, basically what I do is withdraw him first turn, to see if there are magnetons. If there are, with a little prediction, next time I send skarm out, magneton will be OHKO'd.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (12:16 AM).
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Er, Sub on Tenta plz. Druidcruel still rox my RS sox =0
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Old December 28th, 2004 (12:23 AM).
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and no one thought of attack Skarm =o

Skarmory -[speed + / sp.atk -] @ lefties
EV: attack and speed
-hp ground
-drill peck/steel wing
-whirlwind/roar
-spike

Unless Magneton got speed + instead of sp.atk +, you go first and hp ground OHKO. If Magneton got maximum speed, then have fun for 50/50% winner takes all. Still a fun set to use even if Skarm loses plenty of tanking power.

I don't think Banette can even do half of those stuff XD; At least not recover... not sure about wow. I know that it can use thunderwave though <= too lazy to check

Well even though if I use Breloom I always got HP Ghost... but maybe Insomnia will come through against that evil critter. But still not the greatest counter... Banette using HP Fighting won't be enough against Breloom at all if Breloom got sludge bomb or HP Ghost.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (12:30 AM).
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Isn't that what I'm doing? :O
Only mine isn't speed and attack, it's defense and attack, coupled with prediction.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (4:02 AM).
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Bearing in mind Magneton and Skarmory have equal speed, it comes down to the EVs and nature as to who goes first. Magneton is most likely going to have some speed EV, if not having it maxed, so if you want to go anti-Magneton, you need to max out the speed, otherwise it catches you. It seriously hurts Skarmory's tanking ability, but the only guaranteed way to save yourself.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (12:23 PM).
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this is why dugtrio is commonly paired with skarmory.
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Gardevoir works great with Skarmory too...Magneton takes down Skar, TraceVoir switches in and magneton is trapped. Calm Mind up and sweep the whole team. Trace = best trait ever.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (1:24 PM).
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yes and gardevoir gets the punches now with emerald ;-)
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Old December 28th, 2004 (8:08 PM).
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and no one thought of attack Skarm =o

Skarmory -[speed + / sp.atk -] @ lefties
EV: attack and speed
-hp ground
-drill peck/steel wing
-whirlwind/roar
-spike

Unless Magneton got speed + instead of sp.atk +, you go first and hp ground OHKO. If Magneton got maximum speed, then have fun for 50/50% winner takes all. Still a fun set to use even if Skarm loses plenty of tanking power.
Adding speed to Skarm wouldn't be smart. You no longer have that broken Def and it can now take damage from physical attacks, just like the Taunting Umbreon > T-tar I'm afraid. Unless your brave or see it coming, standard Skarm is owned by Magneton =|... Standard Skarm is all HP and Def, and whatever is left goes to Atk.

Tooth, equal speed is decided by who was out first. I found this out when I had Jolteon attack Dactyl in a test with my friend.
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Old December 28th, 2004 (8:15 PM).
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I just had a battle where my skarm pwned magneton!
This was how it went:Out came Skarmory, and he had Tauros or something. I switched out into Blissey, and out came Magneton. Magneton switched into Tauros, I paralyzed it. I switched into Skarm, and he double-edged it. He switched into Magneton, and got a taste of HP ground. His magneton was probably full ev'd defense, because my skarm's attack was 252 and adamant. In being so, he could not make it fast. Thus my skarm was faster. Another HP ground, and Magneton bit the dust. That's how I use it, a sure-kill, not more of equal speed chances.
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Better way to use it then, is to predict a switch into Magneton, rather than trying to out-speed them. That's the moral of the story here
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Old December 28th, 2004 (11:51 PM). Edited December 28th, 2004 by Spike Razzor.
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I just had a battle where my skarm pwned magneton!
This was how it went:Out came Skarmory, and he had Tauros or something. I switched out into Blissey, and out came Magneton. Magneton switched into Tauros, I paralyzed it. I switched into Skarm, and he double-edged it. He switched into Magneton, and got a taste of HP ground. His magneton was probably full ev'd defense, because my skarm's attack was 252 and adamant. In being so, he could not make it fast. Thus my skarm was faster. Another HP ground, and Magneton bit the dust. That's how I use it, a sure-kill, not more of equal speed chances.
If you had no clue what Ev's your opponent had, then what are you trying to get at? Your post was extremely messy and hard to understand but from what I can see, it sounds like Magneton comes in on a switch and faints because you know it was coming =\.

Like I said earlier, equal speed is decided by who was out first. If your Skarm was out and Magnaton is switch in after and both have maxed out speed, you will win. Same thing backward, I have done it more than enough times with lots of Pokemon. My HP Ice Typloison alone OHKOed more than its fair share of Salamences because it was out first.
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Old December 29th, 2004 (2:19 AM).
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If you had no clue what Ev's your opponent had, then what are you trying to get at? If he gave it speed evs, he wouldn't give it defense evs, or else sp att would be severely handicapped. If he had not given it defense evs, it would be OHKO'd. It was not, and I thus surmised that there was a high chance it would be slow. Anyway, if he had given the evs to speed too, sp att wouldn't be quite as effective as before against other pokes. I know what I'm doing.Your post was extremely messy and hard to understand but from what I can see, it sounds like Magneton comes in on a switch and faints because you know it was coming =\.
Came in on a switch, but didn't faint because it was tanked in defense, but that would either not allow it to be pumped in sp att or spd. If it's sp att, that is a bad magneton. It wouldn't be able to do much else to other pokes. If it wasn't speed, since I made Skarm have 4 spd evs, it would not outrun even if he had given the last 6 after dividing 252/252 to speed, since you said that equal speed is decided by who came out first. Eitherway, what I'm trying to say is that unless the opponent knows my tricks, it's a sure-kill way of magneton. Also, HP ground isn't just for magneton you know. I can catch Jolteon on the switch, attack some steel types that try to up speed or attack to sweep with super effective damage (metagross) and overall, I find it quite useful, attacking skarm...
Like I said earlier, equal speed is decided by who was out first. If your Skarm was out and Magnaton is switch in after and both have maxed out speed, you will win. Same thing backward, I have done it more than enough times with lots of Pokemon. My HP Ice Typloison alone OHKOed more than its fair share of Salamences because it was out first.
Toothache: I did predict the switch. It's just that it didn't die in one hit. I've tested it on other magnetons; no evs in defense would die.
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