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Started by avengeraziel September 18th, 2011 3:16 AM
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Would a Wiki be a relevant addition to PC?

aRedMoon

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Webbies could get some use out of it. Recomended hosts, that sort of thing. Replace that godawful sticky that I've been meaning to rewrite.

Clubs could use it as a base as well. Like keeping a current member list.

I'm sure there are other things, but I'm half asleep anyways...
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Webbies could get some use out of it. Recomended hosts, that sort of thing. Replace that godawful sticky that I've been meaning to rewrite.

Clubs could use it as a base as well. Like keeping a current member list.

I'm sure there are other things, but I'm half asleep anyways...
What about a challenge archive? For all the ones that have since fallen so far back that no one sees them, and possibly with a list of everyone that completed it, all nice and archived. :3


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Fanfic could also use it, as an author repository or something.

There are lots of uses for a wiki.

But I wouldn't call it a wiki - I'd call it the PC Resource Center or something (rc.pokecommunity.com)
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june 10, 2008 = omg... five years!
june 10, 2012 = countdown to nine years on pc...

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Fanfic could also use it, as an author repository or something
There's already a Completed fic subsection as well as a thread sticky in the main section in which authors can list what fics they've posted. Not against a wiki for that per say but not sure how tailored it would be for such a thing/if it should replace what's already there personally.

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aRedMoon

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It isn't the most user friendly. Being able to split it up to multiple pages would be nice. Also, each author could have a page to list all their fanfics, sorta like a ff.net profile.

We could also utilize the categories system on wiki for the stories, so you could have a list of "Pokemon Suspense" stories, all listed under it.


And for what it's worth, I'd be willing to help set it all up. I know a decent amount of playing around with wikis, and own both the Digimon and Golden Sun ones. (Or, well, I host them and admin on 'em)
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june 10, 2008 = omg... five years!
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I think having a PokeCommunity Wiki would be cool, but only on the Community. Like replacing the FAQ page with a Wiki. I don't think we need to try and rival Bulbapedia. I think entries on notable members (staff and very famous members*coughZetcough*), how to's and the such would be a great idea. If we try and create another Pokemon Wiki then we would just be wasting our times as there are already several of those.
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I think there is some slight confusion. By no means am I suggesting we somehow recreate someone else's wiki. But not all pokemon wikis are perfect and none of them contain or support the information we are proposing. There is no way we can step on anybody's toes or offend anyone or waste our time when we are giving out info that is ours to give, as PC is the only modding friendly site, and every idea we have all had has nothing to do with other communities. We are proposing a PC Wiki, where it has to do with PC related topics and pages.

Again, just because we are a pokemon centric site, and there are pokemon centric wikis, does not mean we have nothing to give, or put in a wiki. Bulbapedia and seribii do not own the rights to pokemon related wiki programs.

We are now up to seven ideas this wiki could be used, all of which could be utilized simultaneously.

1. Rom hacking resource
2. Fakemon Pokedex
3. Competitive Battling Community
4. Club Member List
5. Challenge Archive
6. Fanfic Page/List
7. Notable Staff Member Pages

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1. Rom hacking resource
2. Fakemon Pokedex
3. Competitive Battling Community
4. Club Member List
5. Challenge Archive
6. Fanfic Page/List
7. Notable Staff Member Pages
I have to agree with Pachy on this one. Though, if your really interested in these ideas, I don't see why you can't suggest it to moderators, things like these can be put into stickys in the right sections. Although, most of what you've mentioned already in or around some threads.
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You know, I really don't like the arguments against changes that state that we're a forum. I think we all realise that we are a forum, but there's nothing really wrong with adding different things to the user experience. What's the problem in expanding the community to include different experiences? At one point in time, we were looking to do exactly that when we had the other Wiki running. But that wiki served more of a purpose on PC site history. A lot of people seem to find that interesting. It also contained a lot of information regarding decision making, staff forums, and other things.

I don't think you can kill this idea, Pachy. Not to be rude or anything, but I think the only people who can do that are a decisive h-staff decision. And even then, it may be something that belongs to the administrators to discuss since it doesn't really involve community affairs. Nevertheless, I don't see the problem in adding a wiki for the purpose of ROM Hacking (though, some of the other things listed a few posts above seem really silly to put in the wiki if we add it). I don't think I've ever seen you in the ROM Hacking forum, but some things aren't as simple as searching the forum.

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This thread has just caught my attention. So please, let me say something really quick about this idea.

In the short run, this would be a good idea, however... in the long run, it may not work. I mean this as that the wiki may fall into disrepair or mismanagement for common reasons.

For example: I noticed that for the past two months, we have BattleWiki link at the top of the forums with the other links such as Oekaki and Chat. Now on further observation of this wiki has been forgotten.

This page was last modified on March 6, 2011, at 09:05am.

This page has been accessed 425 times.
The page has been accessed 425 times, however nothing has been changed or edited since March 6, 2011? Now why is that like that?

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Okay, so the entire wiki is locked to everyone except the admin or server owner. (Who appears to be "Sotomura".)

This just seems to be a waste time to me in my opinion.
I normally find most wikis full of non-relevant information or just full completely offtopic stuff.

In my final opinion, I vote... No wiki.

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@Patchisou
I expected your argument, see point two which is that a wiki of that scale would quickly drain our resources. We see enough of that Stunfisk as it is.

Your argument about a previous wiki is invalid, that was a SMALL wiki which I presume only the staff had any ability to access. No serious traffic there, so it wasn't a problem to the server it was on.

As for killing it, I never claimed to have that power directly, but I still can express myself and pray that more of the powers agree with me.

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My argument isn't invalid. It was a small project limited to staff because we were getting things ready. Did you think that we were going to keep that to ourselves or something? Where are you getting this information from? And if I recall correctly, I know a few supporters had access to it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely for the idea. I just think it's a good idea to provide a resource to ROM Hacking since that is what sets PokéCommunity apart from other forums content-wise. But I totally understand the points and reasons against it. Especially regarding the server, since thinking about that is putting me way off to the idea. Can't really argue against something that holds so much truth. Do I think a Wiki like that will have that kind of traffic? No, I don't, but nothing is saying it couldn't. That reason alone is enough to sway an reasonable person to vote no to the idea.

Yoshi-san's arguments are compelling to me as well. And if that much information in addition to ROM Hacking is going to be included, then I think it loses the value. If there were to be a Wiki, I'd rather it just have ROM Hacking than include things as silly as Fakemon, club member lists, fanfic lists, and noable staff members.

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Yoshi-san's arguments are compelling to me.
Hey, I'm not for the idea in the long run, but in a short run it seems possible.

But, in truth... if we had that Wiki from March, but just recently the link to it was added (About two months back). Why was it never edited nor accessed by it's admin since March? It just does not make sense to me whatsoever.

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Also. Don't expect a free host to be able to handle the massive traffic PC generates. It just can't be done.
"Free Wiki" sites like Wikia lack the power and tools needed to enable willing volunteers to contribute to it. No staff member really likes extra work so...and can you blame them?


I would like to address this if you don't mind, lol. Being a staff member is in itself 'extra work', not like we're getting paid to do this. While not all staff members want to do anything beyond moderate their forums (which I honestly don't understand but hey everyone is different), a large portion of us do. That's why there are events that go on outside of the GT, and weekly/monthly contests. So to generalize and say that "no staff member likes extra work" is very, very wrong.

This thread has just caught my attention. So please, let me say something really quick about this idea.

In the short run, this would be a good idea, however... in the long run, it may not work. I mean this as that the wiki may fall into disrepair or mismanagement for common reasons.

For example: I noticed that for the past two months, we have BattleWiki link at the top of the forums with the other links such as Oekaki and Chat. Now on further observation of this wiki has been forgotten.



The page has been accessed 425 times, however nothing has been changed or edited since March 6, 2011? Now why is that like that?



Okay, so the entire wiki is locked to everyone except the admin or server owner. (Who appears to be "Sotomura".)

This just seems to be a waste time to me in my opinion.
I normally find most wikis full of non-relevant information or just full completely offtopic stuff.

In my final opinion, I vote... No wiki.
I think the difference between this idea and the BattleWiki is partly the community. While the battling community is very helpful and nice and great, there just simply aren't as many of them, and that's what makes wikis more successful - more people. I'm assuming that it wouldn't be locked to everyone like that one either. :x

If it does go beyond hacking I'm willing to help moderate it if it needs it, because I don't have any hacking knowledge so I couldn't help with that part. xD But I doubt we'd lack manpower on it tbh.


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*sigh* I'd hoped to actually kill this idea with my last post, I even graciously ignored your tireless rebuttals in the hope this thread would fall into the oblivion below. But I see I can do that no more.
What makes you think you have the "authority" to do? That decision on what to do regarding this issue is entirely up to us. If we decide that a wiki is something we'd like to do, then we will do it. If you don't like it, then don't go look at it. Problem solved.

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Yeah, that's why I find them compelling.
I may of worded that wrong. I'm sorry about that.

...Um, we have a Battle Wiki? O___o
Eeyup. Here's the link. http://battlewiki.pokecommunity.com/wiki/Main_Page

If it does go beyond hacking I'm willing to help moderate it if it needs it, because I don't have any hacking knowledge so I couldn't help with that part. xD But I doubt we'd lack manpower on it tbh.
I'm a good hacker and like I said in the short run it is possible. (I'll like to help then.) However, in the long
run... it's just not possible to manage, unless it was used only for resources.

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Eeyup. Here's the link. http://battlewiki.pokecommunity.com/wiki/Main_Page
lol. We eventually forgot about the wiki we were working on before, too. I think there's a pattern here, and because of that, I sincerely doubt that it would affect the server as much as people think it would, given the nature of how our past wikis faded away from memory.

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lol. We eventually forgot about the wiki we were working on before, too. I think there's a pattern here, and because of that, I sincerely doubt that it would affect the server as much as people think it would, given the nature of how our past wikis faded away from memory.
So, due to that nature... I'd expect if we had a wiki if would eventually be forgotten and fade away from memory of the staff. In way... I've been thinking about the server as well.... it don't think the server will be overloaded the traffic on the wiki and forum. But, in truth... I think the wiki's traffic will not be as heavy as it is on the forums.

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I'm a good hacker and like I said in the short run it is possible. (I'll like to help then.) However, in the long
run... it's just not possible to manage, unless it was used only for resources.
Why is it "not possible" to manage? I don't understand where you're getting this definite impossibility.


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Why is it "not possible" to manage? I don't understand where you're getting this definite impossibility.
Where I'm getting the "not possible" is that in the long run, some staff will eventually forget about the wiki. For example... BattleWiki apparently was forgotten by the staff.

We eventually forgot about the wiki we were working on before, too.
As Patchisou Yutohru said, BattleWiki was eventually forgotten by the staff and it faded away from memory, so in the long run it is possible that the Wiki could be forgotten and fall into disrepair and mismanagement.

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As Patchisou Yutohru said, BattleWiki was eventually forgotten by the staff and it faded away from memory, so in the long run it is possible that the Wiki could be forgotten and fall into disrepair and mismanagement.
It ended up like that because it wasn't a full staff undertaking, it was basically a side project of Sotomura's before he went inactive. We have around 50 staff members here on PC. I'm pretty sure if it was a full staff undertaking it would be taken care of.

To be honest this whole thread is essentially irrelevant because we ALREADY HAVE a wiki.

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Where I'm getting the "not possible" is that in the long run, some staff will eventually forget about the wiki. For example... BattleWiki apparently was forgotten by the staff.



As Patchisou Yutohru said, BattleWiki was eventually forgotten by the staff and it faded away from memory, so in the long run it is possible that the Wiki could be forgotten and fall into disrepair and mismanagement.
I guess I'm seeing it differently because my opinion on this is "wikis were forgotten before? what can we do to make this one not forgotten?" not "wikis were forgotten before? better not try again".

Saying "it's possible that it could be forgotten" is different from "it's impossible to manage". Imo, it would be a different wiki, run by different people, contributed to by different people, at a different time, so it can't really be compared unless the entire goal is to revive past wikis exactly as they were back then.

I don't think speculation of what may happen months in the future should deter anyone from trying an idea like this, that will be useful as long as it lasts.


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To be honest this whole thread is essentially irrelevant because we ALREADY HAVE a wiki.
Really good point. I guess now it's a matter of just changing the purpose of it, or at the very least expanding it. I guess I'll go make an HQ thread about it now then...

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As far as I know a couple mods (Luke and someone else) were permitted to make a wiki but just were too lazy to finish I guess? I dunno, but I do know a wiki was being worked on at one time and now is absolutely no where to be found.

And then of course there's the http://pokecommunity.com/wiki that has been blocked from access for years, that of course seems to have no development going on.


Edit: Hm, according to the last post there is one already? :/ Where?