5th Gen HM06 Dive

Started by jkls39 October 26th, 2011 10:23 PM
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Hi, Pokemon Fans! I just want to ask about the Hidden Machine Dive. What do you think of it? In battle, it's an awesome Pokemon skill but when you use it in the field, well, it's great, too, but you can only use it in one place: the Abyssal Ruins. Compared to other Pokemon versions, the HM was given great emphasis especially in Ruby/Sapphire Version.

Any opinions, guys? :)
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Honestly, I don't see much purpose of Dive because for one, it can only be used in one place and for another thing, it's easy to predict out of competitively, because the opponent can always switch to something resistant to Water to take the attack. It's good for in-game purposes, though.

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Dive has nothing new in Black and White, so let's all just discuss the HM rather than the attack.

I think it should be used in Route uhh... 18 iirc, mainly since that's the other route most reminiscent of Hoenn. But yeah I think it should be used outside of the ruins, but idk how else they could really apply it to whatever you're doing @ the route I mentioned.
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A certain hint for a R/S/E remake, I hope for 3DS. But, about the environment where it's used, it sucks that can be used only in that ruins out of Undella Town. I mean, back in Hoenn days, it was needed to get the 8th Gym Badge. Got it?
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I feel like I was the only one that really appreciated that 3D view of the ruins before you went in...I kind of feel like that was one of the biggest reasons for even having it in, in the same way the bridges were mainly for 3D views.


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The little use of this HM is horrid! u_u I wish it wouldn't only be a hint towards an RS remake and become of more use within the game. If anything, I'd like for an event to require using Dive as Zet mentioned. Perhaps it would connect with the Abyssal Ruins and lead us to another third game hint. I do feel as if the HM should be used more towards the storyline though.

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I don't really get how dive would be a sign of a remake, I know that dive was only in hoenn games, but I don't think that this necessarily means that there will be a remake. I always hated dive, I felt that it was useless in battle and it was a two turn attack that was not even that strong. It was kind of cool to go under water but not cool enough for it to be an HM so you can't delete it will out the move deleter. But this is how I feel, but I do hope for a remake of the Hoenn game, I just don't think that this is a sign of the remake.
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A certain hint for a R/S/E remake, I hope for 3DS. But, about the environment where it's used, it sucks that can be used only in that ruins out of Undella Town. I mean, back in Hoenn days, it was needed to get the 8th Gym Badge. Got it?
Yeah, I kind of agree with you...I still don't get it why only in the Abyssal Ruins? I've already searched the whole Unova Region and I can't find any diving spots except the ruins. Huhu...so sad... T___T

I feel like I was the only one that really appreciated that 3D view of the ruins before you went in...I kind of feel like that was one of the biggest reasons for even having it in, in the same way the bridges were mainly for 3D views.
The diving view of the ruins is really great but the point of the HM is that it is only used in the ruins at Undella Town. That's the only use of the HM in the field.
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I always though Dive was a really great idea, but really poor execution. Even in R/S, it seems like an "optional" HM, like it wasn't fully integrated into the story the way Cut or the others were. But I think it has the potential to be really cool, and if they bring it back in a remake, I'm sure they'll do it right. I think it's presence in B/W was just a harbinger of things to come.
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That's exactly the point. The only purpose of the Abyssal Ruins is that you can get a lot of items to sell with and the plates. That's it. I'm kind of disappointed but it's fine...I guess Pokemon B/W made the HM a "harbringer of things to come" after all as Payday says.
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Well, actually, the HM is only accessible in the Abyssal Ruins. If you're going to Route 17, there's nothing in there but fast current of flowing water which is like a maze already.
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I think Dive points to an RSE remake becuase they need to encode the same code from the main games to the remakes (if there are any) and Dive seems like to fulfill no purpose in the game.

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I think Dive points to an RSE remake becuase they need to encode the same code from the main games to the remakes (if there are any) and Dive seems like to fulfill no purpose in the game.
I really don't understand... Why just a remake? So you mean the purpose of Dive is just to show that B/W has also the HM like the other generations of Pokemon? I'm so confused now. >.<
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I quite enjoyed the fact the brought the HM back for these games, even if it doesn't hold a very big part at all. It just reminds me a whole lot of Hoenn, which is my favourite region. I would they could of expanded on them a bit more, of course the ruins were great, but there isn't really much to them other than the items you find, they could have put a Pokémon in there or something, like Manaphy. :P
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I quite enjoyed the fact the brought the HM back for these games, even if it doesn't hold a very big part at all. It just reminds me a whole lot of Hoenn, which is my favourite region. I would they could of expanded on them a bit more, of course the ruins were great, but there isn't really much to them other than the items you find, they could have put a Pokémon in there or something, like Manaphy. :P
Yeah, I agree with you there. They could have just put at least other Pokemons from other generations that were underwater. Oh, I miss Red/Sapphire days! T___T
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I can see this turning into a RSE Remake speculation at one point.

I like the fact that they have returned it, I've always liked Dive.
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In R/S, I agree with you, it did have a huge purpose. In B/W, it lacked a lot of purpose. I haven't even used Dive, ONCE. I don't get why they gave it to us, when it only has a use in one place. What a waste. :/
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I can see this turning into a RSE Remake speculation at one point.

I like the fact that they have returned it, I've always liked Dive.
Yeah, me, too. It was like a different world when you're underwater. :)

In R/S, I agree with you, it did have a huge purpose. In B/W, it lacked a lot of purpose. I haven't even used Dive, ONCE. I don't get why they gave it to us, when it only has a use in one place. What a waste. :/
I only used Dive in battle (I made my Staryu learned it.) and in the ruins in Undella Bay. Well, that's practically it that is why I am also disappointed. T_T We're in the same boat.
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I actually loved the use of Dive in B/W. I loved it in RSE as well, but what I loved about it here is the way you spiral down to the bottom of the ocean when you use it in the field. I thought that looked incredibly pretty!
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