Congress declares pizza to be a vegetable Page 2

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Reagan did the same thing with Ketchup back in the day. Nothing new.
You kind of have an argument there since it's made from tomatoes, which were considered a vegetable at the time.

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Question, but did we ever decide what a tomato is? From what I can remember from school, it was considered a fruit and a vegetable.

My state has it classified as both (As its the state fruit AND vegetable)

That said tomato paste/sauce, even if a tomato is a vegetable, isn't a vegetable. If you make it using only tomatoes, it is, but nowadays the sauce/paste is loaded with so much other **** that it hardly tastes like a tomato.

Not really related but still... Seems like it fits. "What have you against toxins General? Do you even know what they put in food these days? Ugh." (Wonder how many people know where this quote it from.)

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Ok, this is starting to frustrate me.. so:


Definition of PIZZA

: a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked —called also pizza pie
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pizza




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pizza
noun
a baked Italian dish consisting of flattened bread dough covered variously with herbs, fresh vegetables, or, typically in the U.S., with tomato sauce, grated cheese, and, often, sausage, mushrooms, pepperoni, etc.

Source:
Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

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Lastly:




veg·e·ta·ble adj \ˈvej-tə-bəl, ˈve-jə-\



Definition of VEGETABLE

1
a : of, relating to, constituting, or growing like plants
b : consisting of plants : vegetational
2
: made from, obtained from, or containing plants or plant products <vegetable soup> <vegetable fat>
3
: resembling or suggesting a plant (as in inertness or passivity)

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Can we now wrap up this discussion? Arguing what the condiments consist of wont necessarily change what it essentially is, or its history.


Pizza is essentially a dish with a wheat/ bread base with a topping and, usually (but not always,) a sauce to accompany it. It's why people can define other dishes rice that is fried with an assortment of fish overtop a "sushi pizza" for example. The dish can be made many ways.
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Wow, that's not something you'd expect to see now is it?

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This is also a dish, and I'm sure you wouldn't argue that that's not vegetables. The point is whether or not it has enough tomato in it to be considered to have vegetables in it, therefore making it servable in school cafeterias.


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This is also a dish, and I'm sure you wouldn't argue that that's not vegetables. The point is whether or not it has enough tomato in it to be considered to have vegetables in it, therefore making it servable in school cafeterias.
Yes, that is a dish, but that's not pizza.

Just like all plants are living things, but not all living things are plants.

Different dishes are comprised of different ingredients. (Chicken Cordon Bleu is a dish, but it generally doesn't comprise of any vegetables.) Dishes have variation.
Vegetables can be considered an ingredient, but pizza isn't considered an ingredient.
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The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something. The title may be misleading as to the actual topic of conversation, but that doesn't mean you can "wrap up this discussion" by saying "nope pizza isn't a vegetable". I'm pretty sure you're aware that the pizza discussed here isn't sushi pizza or any other kind of pizza, but the basic pizza that you'd see in a school cafeteria, so saying otherwise is playing with semantics.

Edit: [email protected]'d by semantics


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The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something.
a dish with vegetables in it isn't a vegetable

edit: no point making a new post, only said this because that's pretty much what you implied with your eggplant thing

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The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something. The title may be misleading as to the actual topic of conversation, but that doesn't mean you can "wrap up this discussion" by saying "nope pizza isn't a vegetable". I'm pretty sure you're aware that the pizza discussed here isn't sushi pizza or any other kind of pizza, but the basic pizza that you'd see in a school cafeteria, so saying otherwise is playing with semantics.

Edit: [email protected]'d by semantics
I never said that a pizza could not comprise of vegetables. I simply proved that, essentially, a pizza is not technically considered a vegetable, it is considered a dish.

Pizza can have vegetables within the dish, but pizza is not solely a vegetable.
I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
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a dish with vegetables in it isn't a vegetable
I never said that a pizza could never comprise of vegetables. I simply proved that, essentially, a pizza is not technically considered a vegetable, it is considered a dish.

Pizza can have vegetables within the dish, but pizza is not solely a vegetable.
I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
This is why I'm saying the title is misleading, doesn't mean discussion is over because you can debunk the title that isn't what the issue is about. The article says:

Proposed new school lunch standards from the USDA would have limited potatoes in school lunches (think French fries) and stopped counting less than a half-cup of tomato sauce as a vegetable (think pizza)
The tomato sauce itself is considered to contain enough vegetables to justify keeping pizza. The point is that because that has a vegetable in it, it can still be served. We all know pizza itself is not a vegetable. I'm actually a little confused as to why you feel the need to tell people that you can't grow a pizza though. Do you really believe people don't know that?


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I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
X bets that with enough genetic engineering you can grow a tomato that tastes like a pizza.

Edit - If its chicken flavored soy product then it might be a vegetable.
I see... Congress is about to declare pizza a "vegetable", yet the USDA wants to ban potatoes altogether from school lunches! No wonder we're losing the war on obesity!
Nearly every effort undertaken in this war (such as banning trans fats, and greatly restricting (to the point of outlawing) non-E/I children's programming and children's product advertising on commercial broadcast (free, over the air) television) has failed to lower obesity rates.

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This is why I'm saying the title is misleading, doesn't mean discussion is over because you can debunk the title that isn't what the issue is about. The article says:
And my point is that there is no point to argue about semantics. They're set for us. Pizza is essentially defined as a dish, and it is therefore more important to debate how that dish should be prepared than the actual dish itself. I don't see why you decided to argue this.

This thread is turning into the equivalent of "Let's ban all chicken because fried chicken nuggets in MSG is unhealthy" instead of the fact that if the government wants to move forward, they need to set a nutrition code for all DISHES in their cafeteria, leave it as it is now and concentrate on other matters, or resort to vitamin-packed gruel.

There's no point to discuss what toppings are better than others (vegetables or no vegetables) but rather, how those toppings are prepared.


Otherwise, yeah. Let's grab a piece of flatbread, deep fry some vegetables like broccoli in COLD-THEN-HOT oil so that the vegetables suck up all that oil, bake it all together, and then spread 10 pounds of avocado on it. Sure, it's essentially a pizza with a ton of vegetables, but it's not going to be healthy for you.
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I've tried deep fried broccoli. Tasted like crap imo. Oven roasted broccoli is better. (Oven roast any vegetable and they will taste good imo.)

Well, healthy or not the odds are that the school cafeteria will turn good tasting food into something to bad tasting that cardboard would taste better.

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And my point is that there is no point to argue about semantics. They're set for us. Pizza is essentially defined as a dish, and it is therefore more important to debate how that dish should be prepared than the actual dish itself. I don't see why you decided to argue this.

This thread is turning into the equivalent of "Let's ban all chicken because fried chicken nuggets in MSG is unhealthy" instead of the fact that if the government wants to move forward, they need to set a nutrition code for all DISHES in their cafeteria, leave it as it is now, or resort to vitamin-packed gruel.

There's no point to discuss what toppings are better than others (vegetables or no vegetables) but rather, how those toppings are prepared.


Otherwise, yeah. Let's grab a piece of flatbread, deep fry some vegetables like broccoli in COLD-THEN-HOT oil so that the vegetables suck up all that oil, bake it all together, and then spread 10 pounds of avocado on it. Sure, it's essentially a pizza with a ton of vegetables, but it's not going to be healthy for you.
So when you said no one should talk about it anymore, you meant whether or not pizza is a vegetable? Based on the aggressive way you posted it definitely made it sound like you were saying no one should discuss the bill or post in the thread because you solved the problem with size 7 words. :x if it was just about that then I understand better now.

By the way, a much more informative article on the topic.


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So when you said no one should talk about it anymore, you meant whether or not pizza is a vegetable? Based on the aggressive way you posted it definitely made it sound like you were saying no one should discuss the bill or post in the thread because you solved the problem with size 7 words. :x if it was just about that then I understand better now.

By the way, a much more informative article on the topic.

How was I aggressive? I just posted some links to the definitions to address the title of the thread and stated that the line of debate for that is essentially rendered useless since it has already been set by us with the English language and history. There is no point to continue that specific line of discussion because it isn't a matter of opinion, it is fact. That line of discussion should be over; it's proven.

I do not appreciate how you are writing that "It made you sound ___" about me. I feel that you are reading that I have some sort of ulterior motives in my posts which are not there. I have not dissed anyone in this thread, I have not addressed anyone in my posts. I have linked with sources and with fact.

So what if I don't have standard formatting in my posts? Yeah, I made some stuff size seven, so what about it? A bigger size doesn't mean anything other than emphasis on my point; my point being fact (that I've backed up with sources.) I don't see why this would provoke anyone.

I would appreciate it, next time, if you would not assume that there are malicious undertones in my posts. I didn't "make anything sound like anything." My post was to the point, however, I did not say anything about discouraging talk about how congress should handle school cafeterias and/or food preparation.

For now, I am actually pretty troubled with how difficult it is to merely be informative to the rest of the thread, and therefore, I am discouraged from visiting here again. I will not post about this further, so do not expect a response from me regarding this. I believe I've said all I must on the matter, anyways.

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I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao

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I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao
I agree with you entirely, but this move was actually done to allow cheap pizza to remain on the menu.
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Modifications to school lunch programs might be blocked. If Congressional votes take effect, these changes could possibly be dead on arrival. School lunches are presently governed by the United States Department of Agriculture. However, regulations allow for French fries and pizza to be counted as veggies.

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I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao
I'd rather that they did worry about nutrition, looking at the obesity epidemic in the country right now. An adult life full of healthcare bills and expensive medications costs more than a school lunch.