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Old July 23rd, 2012 (5:28 AM).
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    If Gen V Pokemon don't look like Pokemon, then Gen I Pokemon don't look like Pokemon too. I mean...Seel? It's just a seal with a horn. It's 99% like the real thing. Ekans and Arbok too. They are just bigger than their real counterparts.

    And previous Gens have as much weird looking Pokemon as the new Gen has. People are mostly hating on Pokemon that are really similar to the older ones.

    Trubish = Grimer
    Gothita line = Jinx = Ralts line
    Haxorus = Rhyhorn = Tyranitar = Aggron
    Vanillite line, tell me how it's not different than Slugma
    Spikes on dragons = spikes on dinosaurs. Useless? In the game they mean nothing, but you know, if they were behaving like real animals, they'd use those spikes for offence/defence. It's not like previous Gens didn't have Pokemon with spikes.
    The only really new thing was Chandelure. I like it, but I can understand people disliking that.

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      I think pokemon designs have evolved. Back in the days of R/B/Y no one had seen anything like this so pokemon stood out with simple designs. Fast forward to now and video games have become a lot more complex and popular so to stay ahead of the game Game Freak put all these different markings, spikes, and blades to make pokemon look "cool" to the younger audience. As proof of this take Arbok and Serperior. Arbok's markings include it's hood and the evenly spaced lines that wrap around it's body. Serperior's markings include... well just look at my avatar. A big difference right? I feel that if Serperior was made in gen 1 then a lot of the markings wouldn't be there. So do gen 5 pokemon still look like pokemon? Yes, but with a lot of accesories.

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        First off, I'd like to say -- as has been said before in this thread -- anyone complaining about the Trubbish line and other Gen V lines based on inanimate objects (eg, Chandelure) that likes or doesn't complain about the Magnemite/Voltorb/Grimer/Koffing lines is really applying a double standard. If a trash or a candle Pokemon is unacceptable because of what it's based on, then any other Pokemon based on any kind of pollution / based on any inanimate object would have to be unacceptable as well, by that standard.

        Now, I've been playing Pokemon since I got my hands on a copy of Yellow in 2002, and have thoroughly played through at least one game from every generation, including FR/LG (but not HG/SS yet) and I initially didn't like the Gen V Pokemon when B/W were announced. I firmly believed that Gamefreak were "running out of ideas" and that the new Pokemon "didn't look like Pokemon". After realising that both of those reasons were 1) completely invalid, and 2) didn't even make sense, I warmed up to the idea a little, and remained rather apathetic 'til I got White last week. Since playing that, I've warmed up to the new Pokemon, and even love a fair amount of the designs. The only ones I still really dislike are Vanilluxe and Watchog, but the rest I'm used to. Frankly, it was the nostalgia goggles clouding my vision, and me not wanting to accept the new designs out of stubbornness.

        The fact is, the designs have just evolved over time, but they still look like Pokemon, and they are Pokemon. Not accepting the newer designs because they supposedly don't look like Pokemon is ridiculous. Same with claiming that they're bland and unoriginal. Having a personal dislike for the designs I can understand, that's completely reasonable, but just admitting that rather than trying to justify it with silliness like the arguments I've mentioned is, in my opinion, nonsensical.

        Apologies if that's a bit long, or if I seem to ramble. :3

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          I don't quite agree with Ice Cream becoming Pokemon it makes me laugh and hungry!

          Also Stunfish, a Pokemon seems to be odd but I quite relate it to Magikarp....

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            Vanillite line, tell me how it's not different than Slugma

            Vanillite is a frozen dessert and Slugma is a molten slug. How are those the same things? Slugma was a great design idea, combining the slimy slug with molten lava, creating a brilliant design. Vanillite combined ice cream with the obvious element of ice, creating a really, really uncreative and random Pokemon. Plus, Vanillite evolves twice and Slugma evolves once.

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              Also Stunfish, a Pokemon seems to be odd but I quite relate it to Magikarp....
              I believe you mean to say Stunfisk. I don't relate it to Magicarp as Maricarp is the only Pokémon in history to only know the move "Splash" at Lv.14.

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                Okay, some Pokemon I don't get: Klingklang. Like, I know it's a huge gear in appearance. I guess it's Unova's version of Magneton or something. When I first saw it, I'm like "what is GameFreak doing...?". Stunfisk is another. It has a derpy face, and I probably would have called it the Unown ! to be something else. Dunno what Scraggy's supposed to be, other than a chameleon or something along those lines. XD I find it cool, but yeah.

                Keldeo looks like a My Little Pony thing instead of a Musketdeer. Even it's new form suggests this. XD

                And man, Tynamo. It appears...ugh. D: It has such a cute cry, but ugh. Lol.

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                I don't quite agree with Ice Cream becoming Pokemon it makes me laugh and hungry!

                Vanilite makes me hungry, too. And it has such a cute face. <3 Vanilluxe, too. But, the second one, I forgot what it was called (as I've never raised one), also has a funny face. They should make another Pokemon based off food. XD

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                Also Stunfish, a Pokemon seems to be odd

                Exactly what I mean. It's sprite makes me laugh a bit, though.

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                  Vanilite makes me hungry, too. And it has such a cute face. <3 Vanilluxe, too. But, the second one, I forgot what it was called (as I've never raised one), also has a funny face. They should make another Pokemon based off food. XD
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                    [QUOTE=tajaros;7269787]I don't quite agree with Ice Cream becoming Pokemon it makes me laugh and hungry!

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                    How about Pizzagresh? :P Signature move: Pepperoni. :D

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                    Only issue is this thread isn't for speculating on future food-related Pokemon. :( Juust in case anyone gets any ideas, of course!

                    Also @ another post, I agree about Tympole. It looks somewhat "nice" in the anime, but in the games it looks too realistic for... Pokemon. XD That's one of the few that really look different from what we've come to expect from Pokemon, imo.

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                      this is why i'm dreading the 6th generation pokemon

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                      this is why i'm dreading the 6th generation pokemon

                      Well nobody says that they'll be similar in generation six. For me at least, I thought gen 5 Pokemon looked a lot different to gen 4 Pokemon at least, with gen 5 looking more on the "normal" Pokemon side with things like Minccino, Blitzle etc. While there were some that didn't look overly what we were used to, for the most part the patterns tend to change generation to generation.

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                      Okay, some Pokemon I don't get: Klingklang. Like, I know it's a huge gear in appearance. I guess it's Unova's version of Magneton or something. When I first saw it, I'm like "what is GameFreak doing...?". Stunfisk is another. It has a derpy face, and I probably would have called it the Unown ! to be something else. Dunno what Scraggy's supposed to be, other than a chameleon or something along those lines. XD I find it cool, but yeah.

                      Keldeo looks like a My Little Pony thing instead of a Musketdeer. Even it's new form suggests this. XD

                      And man, Tynamo. It appears...ugh. D: It has such a cute cry, but ugh. Lol.

                      I liked klink's line, I thought it was a cool evolution. Stunfisk is based on a flounder, so it's kinda gonna have a derpy face. If it didn't, it wouldn't represent the animal as well. Scraggy's concept is really cool. It's based on a punk youth combined with a lizard. (I love how scrafty has the molted hood) If it wasn't combined with a lizard, people would definitely accuse it of not being a pokemon. Keldeo is supposed to be based on a kelpie/chinese unicorn. (it's tail is reminiscent of d'Artagnan's hat)

                      As for tynamo, it's based off leeches and eels and other similar creatures. I'm guessing the mouth is the problem here, but what do you expect?

                      As for the OP's question, I'd say they all look like pokemon. The style is evolving and I'm of the mindset that if it's created by the creators and is said to be a pokemon than what else could it be but a pokemon? Why do WE decide what pokemon look like? Sure it doesn't look exactly like a gen 1 pokemon, but I wouldn't say the wingull line or whismur line or absol would fit in with chansey and nidoqueen. I wouldn't say ariados fits in there either! (if I was going by the mindset that pokemon all had to look like they were from gen 1) But they ARE pokemon, and just because nostalgia causes us to believe otherwise, it's true. The kids playing pokemon today only know Unova pokemon! Ask them and you'd probably get opposite answers than what all the haters would say.

                      And danaxe, why would you dread gen VI? Couldn't the pokemon only get better? At the very least there would be SOME pokemon you'd like...

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                        I agree, I think that the difference between the Gen 4 & 5 designs were HUGE. Especially if you think of the reception each gen got, not counting the "These Pokemon suck" that each generation gets. I mean, even now, BW is still getting hate for its designs, and I don't really feel that the Gen 4 Pokemon were hated on for that long by the general community, I guess.

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                          Okay, I have a good allusion to compare the changes in Pokemon style to: Star Wars Original Trilogy vs Prequels. With the original trilogy, technology was limited, so more feeling and emotion were necessary to make an impression. This is similar to the limited technology of the original Game Boy.

                          However, the developers were able to work around the technological limits and still create fascinating, wonderful, and memorable creatures by adding feeling and emotion, just like the directors of the Original Trilogy were able to work around technological limits to create great characters and story with emotion. In essence, both the older generations of Pokemon and the Star Wars Trilogy had more feeling and emotion to them, because limits and technology forced the creators to focus more on emotion and feeling.

                          With the new Star Wars movies and new Pokemon generations, though, great strides in technology allow for more detailed graphics. However, these new Pokemon, with their endless markings, armor, contrasting colors, and spikes lack the emotion and overall creativity of the older ones. The same can be said for the Prequels, which lack the feeling and emotion of the older movies, instead relying on complicated CGI, just the same way the new Pokemon rely on complicated armor and spikes.

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                          I'm one of those people that realizes that as the times and technology change, so will the style of new Pokemon. I don't even have a problem with things like the Vanillite and Trubbish lines, because they went for something different than what we've seen before, even if they aren't universally loved.

                          The only Gen V Pokemon that I can think of that I don't believe looks much like a Pokemon is Roggenrola. To me it just looks like an octagon with a hexagon on it's body (which is actually supposed to be an ear, not an eye), and then feet and a horn(?) that looked like they were tacked on as an afterthought. But, I didn't see anyone else mention in in this thread, so it might just be me that feels this way.

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                            I think my opinions are a lot different than everyone else. I have never met someone with the same thoughts honestly. I love generation one and two, three is alright and four was a total let down. I hate most of the pokemon from the sinnoh region, but when unova came out, I actually love a whole lot of them. I thought it was a big step up from sinnoh. Now on the appearances? Every pokemon that comes out is new and unique, aside from a couple. Pokemon could look like anything, but some of these did remind me of digimon .

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                              I have to say that there are lots of 5th Pokémon which don't seem "real" Pokémon to me. Look at Klink. Well, Klink is admissible, but look at Klang and Klinklang... Those are not Pokémon, in my opinion. The same happens with Cryogonal... what is that?
                              I've come to think that the way of drawing new Pokémon is changing and that's why they all look a bit different now. It has to be that.

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                                Trubbish: It looks like a tiny trash bag.
                                Ducklett: It's a tiny duck
                                Marractus: How is that cactus moving?
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                                  The only one I say doesn't look like a Pokémon is Trubbish. It just looks like a trash bag to me...a smelly one at that.

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                                    Just imagine the amounts of hate gen V would have gotten if it introduced these:

                                    When you compare pokemon to previous pokemon "by generation", your comparison is not justified if you pick Vanillite and Klink and compare them to Eevee, Gyarados and Arcanine... yeah no.

                                    You have to compare the weird ones to the weird ones and the animal-like to the animal-like if you want to be honest.
                                    And fortunately, with gen V that is extremely easy to do! Why?
                                    Because they intentionally reused the same basic stuff from gen I (including weird ones) and came up with unique different pokemon for gen V anyway.

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                                    But i do see where your coming from. Most pokemon are more like animals and creatures. Not foods or electrical appliances.

                                    Because Magnemite and Voltorb totally didn't introduce those possibilities. Not to mention Porygon who is a virtual pokemon.

                                    And, there is no pokemon that is made out of food. Vanillite is a crystal based creature that likes being covered in snow that it creates, which then makes it resemble ice cream. I call this reverse mimicry and consider Vanillite to be the most creative case yet.
                                    Perhaps trainers did not start using it until they came across some that covered themselves in snow, because they thought it was retardedly cute and made a dex entry about it xDD

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                                    ...Newer monsters have more 'pointless' features; spikes, stripes, fluffy bits, etc.

                                    Sounds like Tyranitar

                                    Besides, I remember reading in some interview that they had more than thousand finished creature designs by gen III, so there is even the possibility that some pokemon have been used in later generations than they were initially created for.
                                    The only known case so far is Gastrodon though, which was made for RS but scrapped and introduced in DP instead.
                                    For gen V I doubt it however as they had several new artists come in and how gamefreak themselves stated that they rather make new ones everytime even though they have many scrapped ones.

                                    Anyways, there is always animal-like pokemon, there is always weird pokemon.

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                                      The couple Pokemon that really stick out in my mind for me were Accelgor, Karrablast and Shelmet. They were so... weird and didn't make much sense. Couldn't even tell what they were.

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                                        I dont think they dont look like pokemon, but they do look some-what like digimon. Zebstrika reminds me of Unimon, etc. etc. Too sick to give more examples. (i have a cold)

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                                        Well, duck-wise... I don't think that means it doesn't look like a Pokemon, because we've had other ducks in the past and they've looked like Pokemon. n_n idk if that makes sense I'm tired.

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                                        I dont think they dont look like pokemon, but they do look some-what like digimon. Zebstrika reminds me of Unimon, etc. etc. Too sick to give more examples. (i have a cold)

                                        Yeah agreed on the Digimon line, like, Minccino and stuff remind me of Digimon but that's what I think makes B/W Pokemon better than other generations. I liked Digimon. :x

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                                          Just imagine the amounts of hate gen V would have gotten if it introduced these:

                                          When you compare pokemon to previous pokemon "by generation", your comparison is not justified if you pick Vanillite and Klink and compare them to Eevee, Gyarados and Arcanine... yeah no.

                                          Yeah, yeah, HURR DURR GEN 1 IS JUZT AS WERD LUK AT TANGLA AND PORGON AND HITCHAN AND COUGHING AND YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHH!!!!11111

                                          Ahem, although these Pokemon are odd, they all have a nice air of simplicity to them. That simplicity is what used to define a Pokemon. And before you whine about Koffing and Weezing's skull-and-crossbones symbols, they are there for a good reason: to indicate toxicity.

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                                          And, there is no pokemon that is made out of food. Vanillite is a crystal based creature that likes being covered in snow that it creates, which then makes it resemble ice cream. I call this reverse mimicry and consider Vanillite to be the most creative case yet.
                                          Perhaps trainers did not start using it until they came across some that covered themselves in snow, because they thought it was retardedly cute and made a dex entry about it xDD

                                          Either way, Vanillite is based off of ice cream. Stop trying to deny it.

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                                          Sounds like Tyranitar
                                          Tyranitar has spikes because it's based off of this:

                                          Old Pokemon were all about having an origin, whether it be an animal or an odd creative spark. New Pokemon are all about shoving as much crap on the screen as possible. You got multicolored spikes, bright patterns, and pointless armor.

                                          And if you think that there is no difference between old and new Pokemon, then look at this:

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