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Old January 8th, 2005 (6:31 AM).
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As topic says. This is a debate on why the move FLY (Move name: Fly, Power: 70, Accuracy: 90, Type: Flying, Physical Attack) is so much hated and not used. Most probably many will take the side against FLY while a very small amount will take the side with FLY. I will start the debate, but I will take the side of going with FLY.

The move Fly is the most easiest taught to a flying pokemon. its attack power is 70, 10 more than the usual Arial Ace or Wing Attack. even though it is known to miss sometimes because of 90 accuracy, it is the next strongest flying type attack after aeroblast. Fly stalls you for some time, and on the process of attacking and if your bird is fast enough, it can make your opponent's move miss. if used repeatedly sometimes it works as an annoyer (i've tried it as annoyer and it works for me alot) and can get convinient at times.

thats all i'll say for now until someone else posts.
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Old January 8th, 2005 (7:04 AM).
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Skarmory vs Venusaur

Skarmory used Fly!
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Enemy withdraw Venusaur and send out Magneton!
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Its not very effective
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Magneton used Thunderbolt!
->
Skarmory fainted
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Old January 8th, 2005 (7:41 AM).
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As demonstrated above, it leaves yourself open so the opponent can send in something stronger. Not to mention, anything flying in the air is an easier target to hit when using Thunder. You're a sitting duck for ThunderDancers.

It's about as useful as Dive and Dig. Not very.
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Old January 8th, 2005 (7:44 AM).
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Fly = easily blocked most of the time; once flying, you can't cancel the move...
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Old January 8th, 2005 (7:57 AM).
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The move Fly is the most easiest taught to a flying pokemon. its attack power is 70, 10 more than the usual Arial Ace or Wing Attack. now this is where I detect idiocy one, arial ace and wing attack can attack twice in two turns, not once, which lets you do more net damage. even though it is known to miss sometimes because of 90 accuracy, it is the next strongest flying type attack after aeroblast.idiocy two, drill peck and HP flying outdo this move in so many ways. Fly stalls you for some time, enough for them to switch to golem or magneton as was earlier presented. and on the process of attacking and if your bird is fast enough, it can make your opponent's move miss. if used repeatedly sometimes it works as an annoyer no(i've tried it as annoyer and it works for me alot)ingame only and can get convinient at times.only when you need to fly somehwere
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Old January 8th, 2005 (8:00 AM).
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Protect || Sub > Fly for stalling purposes
Aerial Ace || HP Flying > Fly for attacking purposes

End of story.
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Old January 8th, 2005 (8:23 AM).
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the only reason you should use fly is if its ingame

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Protect || Sub > Fly for stalling purposes
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Old January 8th, 2005 (8:32 AM).
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it works EXCELLENT in my way of annoying. when my opponent switches to another pokemon.

Salamence vs Venasuar
Salamence used fly
Venasaur returned and Magneton put in.
Mangeton cant do anything good with thunderbolt cos salamence is dragon.
magneton dead with flamethrower.

i didnt say Fly had to be on at flying pokemon ALL the time. using different pokemon i can use fly differently.

but on the other hand......
crobat vs. venasuar
crobat used fly
venasaur returned for magneton.
this will be a problem. sludgebomb wont work. while that guy thunderbolts my crobat it will last cos its EV's of spdef is maxed out with nature boosting spdef on it. i'll either switch to another pokemon or either whirlwind it away.
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Old January 8th, 2005 (8:39 AM).
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klswellow owns your salamence =)
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BTW, the "strongest" Flying type move (with the most Base Power) is Sky Attack (I think) which is even worst (if possible) than Fly.
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I dont know flys no that bad... I use it on gym leaders and since they are so stupid it works on them.... I kinda like it outside of battle also...

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The only reason I will use it is outside of battle,other than that,I replace it v_v
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Well Fly can be useful in 2 vs 2 since your opponent has no idea which pokemon you are targeting. It is unlikely they would switch both.
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Well Fly can be useful in 2 vs 2 since your opponent has no idea which pokemon you are targeting. It is unlikely they would switch both.
but then in 2vs2 there are better strategies... like ghost/protect+explosion, skill swapping, healing each other by abusing absorbs and etc...

The only reason why you should use fly is perhaps to stall while doing damage I suppose... but then I can't think of any good flyers that can stall like that =/
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like ghost/protect+explosion, skill swapping, healing each other by abusing absorbs and etc...
That's what I use. Ghost Explosion.
Anyways, yes Fly really sucks. You'd have a MUCH better shot with Aeroblast. However that has less PP and is the best in battling in Stadium when it's 3 on 3.

However, if your opponent is a n00b, Fly is a good move to use.
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I dont know flys no that bad... I use it on gym leaders and since they are so stupid it works on them.... I kinda like it outside of battle also...

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Please note, you can beat gym leaders with Tackle also, so, you know, don't refer to the goodness of a move based on things IN game. It is only good in game out of battle. In competitive battling, if you use Fly, you should just quit playing =[
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Fly/Dig/Dive gives your opponent a turn to switch to something resistant and counter you. If you want to spring a super effective on your opponent, do something that the pokemon using it can learn but is not very often used, such as Aerial Ace on Dugtrio... I couldn't think of a better example. I know it is quite often used, meh. And if you use, say, Aerial Ace on Aerodactyl and magneton is sent out against the aerial ace, you can earthquake it. If you had used fly, you would have gone first and come down on magneton, and be killed by thunderbolt.
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Old January 8th, 2005 (8:51 PM). Edited January 8th, 2005 by Spike Razzor.
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it works EXCELLENT in my way of annoying. when my opponent switches to another pokemon.

Salamence vs Venasuar
Salamence used fly
Venasaur returned and Magneton put in.
Mangeton cant do anything good with thunderbolt cos salamence is dragon.
magneton dead with flamethrower.

i didnt say Fly had to be on at flying pokemon ALL the time. using different pokemon i can use fly differently.

but on the other hand......
crobat vs. venasuar
crobat used fly
venasaur returned for magneton.
this will be a problem. sludgebomb wont work. while that guy thunderbolts my crobat it will last cos its EV's of spdef is maxed out with nature boosting spdef on it. i'll either switch to another pokemon or either whirlwind it away.
This is not a debate, its a waste of peoples time. Fly is stupid, only used in the game for moving purposes. It takes 2 turns to do about 70 damage. In 2 turns I could Aerial Ace and does 120 damage. No one is stupid enough to leave Magneton out to face Salemence, and Quake would of been a choice attack anyways. All in all, you failed horribly...

Salamence v.s. Heracross
Salamences Intimidate cuts Heracross's attack.
Salamence flew up high.

Trainer withdrew Heracross, trainer sends out Rhydon.
Salamence uses Fly, its not very effective... (18% damage)

Newbie withdrew Salamence, newbie sends out Skeptile.
Rhydon uses Megahorn, its super effective! (100% damage)
Sceptile fainted.

Someone with skills would know your probably stupid and predicted a switch, so you end up losing a Pokemon =(. And when you can tell me what idiot maxes out Sp.Def on a Crobat, then you can continue talking, if not then just stfu please and thank you =).
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I couldn't have said that any better =[
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Articuno used Sheer Cold!
(241 damage)
It's a one-hit KO!
Go PlAnEt xD fainted!
Luciusssssssssssssss: ...
Luciusssssssssssssss: sigh
Game Over.: skill


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Old January 9th, 2005 (5:40 PM).
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Also one could use the turn to boost stats using CM/DD/curse/SD
etc....
is really not debatable
fly is worthless
in competitive
battling
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Old January 10th, 2005 (4:30 PM).
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Articuno used Sheer Cold!
(241 damage)
It's a one-hit KO!
Go PlAnEt xD fainted!
Luciusssssssssssssss: ...
Luciusssssssssssssss: sigh
Game Over.: skill


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Old January 12th, 2005 (8:22 AM).
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HEY! IN DEBATES BY HELL U DONT FLAME!!! and theres NO WAY that im gonna use fly properly. i just took its side cos 99.9999% ppl will go against it. and that salamence fly battle i posted WAS TOTALLY dreamed up by me. i just posted it right there.

U GUYS NEED TO BE REPORTED RITE DOWN NOW.
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Old January 12th, 2005 (10:54 AM).
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HEY! fly isnt worthless! it is actually quite useful,

1.you cant get hit on 2nd turn until you attack
2. that turn can be used to avoid damage and maybe survive long enough to win
3.fly takes you places in the world, if you dont have fly then you cant get ANYWHERE with out walking/running/riding something includes boats or even the cable car on Ru/Sa
4. with proper move sets/held items you can use fly to your advantage

I think that the only reason you ppl say fly is worthless is because you are too stupid or too lazy to put it in a move set that can use it

Here is how i use fly in the battle
Me HP:100 Item:Leftovers
Opponent HP: 100 Item: Quick claw
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
the opponent faints
I win!:D
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You all are stupid. Fly sucks :\ Drill Peck is the best flying attack, and if you dare say Aeroblast is I hope your gameshark'd salamence enjoys 4 uses of aeroblast against suicune
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HEY! fly isnt worthless! it is actually quite useful,

1.you cant get hit on 2nd turn until you attack
2. that turn can be used to avoid damage and maybe survive long enough to win
3.fly takes you places in the world, if you dont have fly then you cant get ANYWHERE with out walking/running/riding something includes boats or even the cable car on Ru/Sa
4. with proper move sets/held items you can use fly to your advantage

I think that the only reason you ppl say fly is worthless is because you are too stupid or too lazy to put it in a move set that can use it

Here is how i use fly in the battle
Me HP:100 Item:Leftovers
Opponent HP: 100 Item: Quick claw
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
Opponent uses tackle
i take 12 damage
I use fly
I recover 6 hp with left overs
opponent uses tackle, he misses
Using Quick claw opponent gets first attack
he uses tackle
I recover 6 hp using leftovers
i attack.
opponent takes 25 damage
the opponent faints
I win!:D
You are such a ingame n00b its not funny... Quick Claw DOES NOT insure a first hit, otherwise you would of lost on the first turn. When you use Fly, your opponent can switch to something that resist the attack and beat you down. Just because your friends with 6 legends on there team are too dumb to switch it doesn't mean than your newbie tactic will work.

Toothache, please close this stupid topic! This isn't even a debate, its meaning less spam. Its a bunch of Stupid, Pointless, Annoying Messages from people who have never battled seriously.
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