Are cheats justified?

Started by TeamRocketKid March 12th, 2012 4:12 PM
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So I was wondering something. In BW where you can't rebattle trainers like in other games it makes it harder to level up. So are people that use cheats bad? Like isn't it unfair to use the cheats for 900 rare candies or to unlock every TM? Just seems morally wrong if there into tournament game play
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In my book, cheats are fine as long as you don't mess other people up. Spawn a few rare candies? Fine. Get a rare event pokemon? Hard to do so otherwise. Trade someone a hacked pokemon or battle with one? No. There's also something to be said about doing stuff legit, anyone can catch a legendary with a masterball, but can you do it without?





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In my book, cheats are fine as long as you don't mess other people up. Spawn a few rare candies? Fine. Get a rare event pokemon? Hard to do so otherwise. Trade someone a hacked pokemon or battle with one? No. There's also something to be said about doing stuff legit, anyone can catch a legendary with a masterball, but can you do it without?
Wait so there not hacked if you spawn rare candies for them or TMs?

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I don't really care if people cheat, as long as they're not using cheats to create obviously hacked Pokemon. A good friend of mine hacked 900 of each item in his game, and personally, I wouldn't mind having that cheat myself. It makes things easier, plus you can trade off items to people when you trade Pokemon, whether as a surprise gift or a request from them. But yeah, I don't see the big deal about it, except for when you hack in obviously non-legit Pokemon. I also dislike hacking in a ton of Master Balls and catching everything in it...that's pretty annoying and lazy.

PS: I'm changing the title to "Are cheats justified?" because "is" isn't the right word and it is bugging me so much lol.
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It all depends on the person. Some people don't want to take that route and say, "Hey, I'm a legitimate player and that means something." Others just don't. If you do cheat, sometimes it can take away the fun of actually playing. Or you could have tons of fun. Kinda depends on your "Poke-morals".

As a matter of fact, when I played Platinum after playing Diamond, I just hacked in a starting team and went amok from there. I thought it was fun since I could choose a specific Pokemon I actually liked and what's the point of playing if it isn't fun?

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Me and friends will use PokeGen to create Pokemon for cheese and giggles, get us some 900 of everything, and then create legit Pokemon for us to use against each other and on the Subways and Battle facilities, but really, I see no reason why everyone goes up in arms about it. It's data, and all I'm doing is creating my own data. The games are for each person to enjoy their own way. Do it your way, you know, like Burger King. But I can see how everyone freaks when all of a sudden they get faced against a Sableye with Wonder Guard on it, Refresh, Recover, and some junk like sacred Fire.

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Yeah I'd much rather play through in-game not using cheats (which I don't) since I'd much rather play through honestly and idk if the games are worth playing if you do cheat because all the effort and time spent on the games is significantly shorter. Dunno I like the boring stuff and cheating to get that makes it all basically pointless to me. XD;

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I'll be honest, I have cheated in the past, I own an AR for the DSi, but that was really only for back in the day when I would be all into trading, and I'd strictly use it for cloning and checking IVs. Nowadays I'm not so much of a cheater, nor do I encourage the use of it. Of course I have limitations on what I would call cheating, but it all depends on that. I wouldn't say cloning a Pokemon for the Trade Corner would be considered cheating or anything like that, but anything further than that would be. Reproducing items for levels, just to get something for the Battle Tower, anything like that I wouldn't comprehend. unless it's hgss because it's super hard to get levels in that game

Would exploiting glitches count as cheating? Because I used to do that whole thing with getting the three starters and cloning using a Ditto in Gold and Silver. :P
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Debating cheating in a singleplayer context is needless for it concerns not other persons.
And, say with PokeSav, so long as one correctly makes legitimate monsters, again there is no issue; it only skips an immense amount of wasted time on stat management and general grind that nobody looking simply to battle others tends to want to endure beforehand. Same with shinies; it is a mere visual difference that the 'legit' crowd abuse the RNG to acquire anyway.
I also don't personally hold issue with obtaining event monsters 'illegally', as many events are unduly difficult to attend, and additionaly many are restricted to certain countries.

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Cheats were always justified. Pokemon is an RPG. There is no skill or value in the work involved in playing legit other than your enjoyment. This is why I stick to Pokemon Online, where I don't have to deal with the constant whining over stuff that /does not matter/. >_>; The exception is using cheats /during/ competitive play (See: only during.) and cheats that give completely impossible moves/abilities in competitive play.
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When I battled competitively, I made my own legitimate Pokemon. My reasoning: If you want to have any success in battling, you need max IV pokes. Before I started Sav'ing, I would breed my own Pokes, get the nature I wanted, and EV train manually. I finally created a team. When I started battling, I would ALWAYS lose in speed ties because everyone else hacked in Pokes with perfect IVs. As for using cheats for single player, I'm not a fan.

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As long as you personally feel that cheating is justified (and as long as you're not doing anything "illegal" and then using it in multiplayer) then it's justified. I've cheated before, but all within legal limitations. I've given myself Rare Candies, turned on the "Master Ball" cheat while in the Safari Zone, and gotten myself some perfect-IV monsters that way. Everything's legal, so I have no qualms about it.

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As long as you personally feel that cheating is justified (and as long as you're not doing anything "illegal" and then using it in multiplayer) then it's justified. I've cheated before, but all within legal limitations. I've given myself Rare Candies, turned on the "Master Ball" cheat while in the Safari Zone, and gotten myself some perfect-IV monsters that way. Everything's legal, so I have no qualms about it.
Exactly. Since perfect IV Pokemon do exist, 'cheating' is essentially speeding up a boring process.
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As many have stated, it depends.

Back in the Gen III days, me and my friends used to hack 999 rare candies, and level up our Pokemon to level 100 with them (all of them). we also hacked rare legendary Pokemon. Back then, there was no online play. It was jsut us playing one another, usually via Colosseum or Gale of Darkness. It was fair because we were all doing it, and were all in agreement with it. Hacking stuff and making them super strong and then taking them online is just wrong though. I seriously have no respect for anyone who cheats online.
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I use to clone Master Balls and Rare Candies and use the Mew glitch on the original Red game, but I would also restart my games all the time. (Pokemon Stadium made it MUCH faster and easier to finish the game, so starting over wasn't a problem.)

However, since Gen. 2, I've stopped copying and restarting games. Cheating is cheating, regardless of how you look at it. You're still going around the games' programming to get something in a way it wasn't meant to be obtained. I did use the clone glitch for my Ruby and FireRed teams, but only so I could have them available on their original games and on Pokemon Diamond. (That way I could still use them on the Gamecube games, but have them for Battle Revolution as well.)

I'm concerned as to why some of you consider training and searching for Pokemon as "wasted time". That's what these games are all about: searching for rare and valuable Pokemon, and then training them to become stronger. If you cheat to get a Pokemon and cheat to level them up, you've removed the only real challenge these games have.
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Cheats are fine until someone brings them into the multiplayer world. Then it's just unfair and ruins the game for everyone.
I agree with this. Cheating to catch a Pokemon, level it up, or increase its stats is your own business. But using them to gain an advantage over people who actually train their Pokemon in a legit way is wrong, period.
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I'm not okay with obvious cheats like 999 stats, but I admit I did cheat once for a ridiculous HM Slave like a Sentret knowing Fly, Surf, Cut and Strength..

When it comes to competitive play, Pokesav saves up loads of time from EV training and everything, and although it's technically a hacked Pokemon, some people do it because they just don't have enough time for hours of buffing up their Pokemon.

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