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Old January 15th, 2005 (10:24 PM).
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Minimum Damage 26%
Average Damage 28%
Maximum Damage 30%

max attack hp fight from magneton to blissey. wonderful, sir
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Yes you are. Lose the spam, before PC loses you permanently.

Anyway, consider Beat Up on Houndoom, has this marvellous effect of 2HKOing Blissey. May also want to Sunnybeam as well for Suicune, although after a CM or two that won't help immensely.
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character minimums are even stupider than this topic

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That Blaziken gets taken out by Blissey =(... Sub! Tossed! Sub! Tossed! Sub! Tossed!

Subversal Blaziken with Flamethrower is enough to take out Skarm/Forry/Weez with Bliss/Lax.
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Well, subreving Max ATK Blaziken against a Max HP and Max Def Blissey trn out like this:

- Fully subbed down =
Minimum Damage 171%
Average Damage 186%
Maximum Damage 201%

- 3 subs down =
Minimum Damage 128%
Average Damage 140%
Maximum Damage 151%

- 2 subs down =
Minimum Damage 86%
Average Damage 93%
Maximum Damage 101%

So it ohko's Bliss from 25% HP guarenteed.
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Metal Sound on blissey is the best option as Magneton has just over 200 hp. So it can take 2 seismic tosses (while you metal sound) then unless im mistaken thunderbolt should either kill it or come very close. And it cant have counter used on it. If it survives then a strong physical attack should kill it with ease.
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Metal Sound on blissey is the best option as Magneton has just over 200 hp. So it can take 2 seismic tosses (while you metal sound) then unless im mistaken thunderbolt should either kill it or come very close. And it cant have counter used on it. If it survives then a strong physical attack should kill it with ease.
wouldnt bliss t wave it before it s tosses?

Magneton used Metal Sound!
(Blissey's Special Defense Sharply Fell)

Blissey used Thunder Wave!
(Magneton is now paralyzed)

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Blissey used Seismic Toss
(possibility of maggy being fped)

it wouldnt necesscarily work all of the time which is y i dont really like metal sound maggy as much =\
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or blissey could just switch to a volt absorber or something
metal sound maggie does suck though
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does not :(
gets curselax quite well
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Magneton only has 3 main moves, which are Thunderbolt, Hidden Power, and Thund Wave, his last move is up in the air as he has no good choices to go with, so Metal Sound is really all he can do.
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MS also works against Blisseys that opt Counter over Seismic Toss, and i hav seen them.
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Same here but then again I've seen a Blissey use Focus Punch on me.
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LOL, i hope they at least had enuff sense to giv it some atk EVs. It has one of, if not THE worst base atks in the game if im not mistaken.
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It was a Fighting Blissey.

Used ALL attacks, no specials, just attacks.

Was a joke I think lol.

Blissey is tightening HIS :O focus.
Blaziken used Reversal.
Blissey DIED.
Blaziken smashed Blissey's egg. =/
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Well if Maggy could survive one FP, which i doubt it could, you would be able to make it flinch next time + have one MS on it. Then wait till it softboils to do anuther MS and repeat. As long as Maggy could survive one FP i think it would have the upper hand.
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Okay, max ATK + Nature Blissey VS Max Def + Max HP Magneton:

Minimum Damage 29%
Average Damage 32%
Maximum Damage 35%

I'm pretty sure Maggie can hold his own lol.

GOGO 3HKO.
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Lol thanks for the maths on that one.

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Heh, but I wouldn't consider Magneton a true SkarmBliss counter, as who would leave Blissey in after it got Metal Sounded?

Could try a totally alternative kind of pokemon, such as Cacture, he has good enough Attack AND Special Attack to pull something off.

I'll look into some more unusual ways of killing them later.
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Cacturne sucks balls sorry to say, it couldnt take a hit from Skarmory (assuming it has drill peck which most do) if its life depended on it, which it does.
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The idea is to kill Skarmory and not get hit.

Most Skarmory uses are dumb****s and use SPIKES instead of attacking.
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Usually when Skarmory sees something it is strong against it will attack to go for a free kill actually.
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