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Old April 24th, 2012 (2:54 PM).
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    here is the team ive been using for a while. its pretty good but i can tell it needs improving

    Ferrothorn
    item- focus sash
    EVs- 52 HP/ 56 ATT/ 200 DEF/ 200 SP. DEF
    trait- iron barb
    nature- adamant
    -stealth rock
    -seed bomb
    -iron head
    -explosion

    Gliscor
    item- toxic orb
    EVs- 188 ATT/ 56 DEF/ 252 SP. DEF
    trait- poison heal
    nature- =ferro
    -uturn
    -earthquake
    -swords dance
    protect

    Dragonite
    item- life orb
    EVs- 60 HP/ 252 ATT/ 116 DEF/ 76 SP. DEF/ 4 SPEED
    trait- multiscale
    nature- =ferro
    -dragon claw
    -fire punch
    -roost
    -dragon dance

    Nidoking
    item- life orb
    EVs- 80 HP/ 80 DEF/ 252 SP. ATT/ 96 SP. DEF
    trait- sheer force
    nature- modest
    -flamethrower
    -ice beam
    -t-bolt
    -earth power

    Vaporeon
    item- rocky helmet
    EVs- 4 HP/ 132 DEF/ 252 SP. ATT/ 120 SP. DEF
    trait- hydration
    nature- =nidoking
    -scald
    -toxic
    -ice beam
    -protect

    Porygon-Z
    item- specs
    EVs- 252 SP, ATT/ 252 SPEED
    trait- download
    nature- =nidoking
    -tri-attack
    -ice beam
    -t-bolt
    -dark pulse

    i wont go into too much detail about there roles, im sure you can guess that.
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    Old April 24th, 2012 (3:05 PM).
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      Cool, ur not bad! However, I have higher level Pokemon. I suggest to train everyday in Nibasa's 2 sports arena. They have a lot of strong trainers there and I leveled up most of my Pokemon to lv 100 after a month! Hope this information was useful! P.S: Youre Pokemon team are actually a good combo, and some have good moves. I like it!
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      Old April 24th, 2012 (3:13 PM). Edited April 24th, 2012 by Geass20.
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        im actually on PO so theyre all LV 100

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        Cool, ur not bad! However, I have higher level Pokemon. I suggest to train everyday in Nibasa's 2 sports arena. They have a lot of strong trainers there and I leveled up most of my Pokemon to lv 100 after a month! Hope this information was useful! P.S: Youre Pokemon team are actually a good combo, and some have good moves. I like it!
        sorry i forgot to mention. im actually using PO so they are lv 100.

        and i do that all the time in game, its just a good place to train.
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        Ferrothorn has a very good support movepool, and you're not making the most of it. Plus, it doesn't need Focus Sash, since it's incredibly bulky. Gyro Ball and Power Whip are better STABs for Ferrothorn to use. Explosion also got nerfed in Gen V, which means it no longer halves Defense before it hits:
        -Stealth Rock/Spikes
        -Leech Seed
        -Power Whip/Protect
        -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
        Nature: Relaxed
        EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
        Item: Leftovers

        Gliscor should be making the most out of its high Defense and annoying support moves:
        -Swords Dance
        -Earthquake
        -Ice Fang/Facade
        -Taunt/Protect
        Nature: Impish
        EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
        Item: Toxic Orb
        Ability: Poison Heal

        or
        -Toxic
        -Earthquake
        -Protect
        -Taunt/Ice Fang/Facade
        Nature: Impish
        EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
        Item: Toxic Orb
        Ability: Poison Heal

        or
        -Substitute
        -Protect
        -Earthquake
        -Taunt/Toxic/Ice Fang
        Nature: Impish
        EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
        Item: Toxic Orb
        Ability: Poison Heal

        It seems to me that you're using Dragonite's bulky DD set. Use this spread for more bulk, and more initial Speed: 252 HP/44 Atk/212 Spe.

        Nidoking is the offensive kind of Pokemon. Investing in its defenses is a waste of time. Use the EV spread of 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe.

        Vaporeon is already specially bulky enough, so use a Bold nature and the EV spread of 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef to help it take physical hits.

        Porygon-Z is seriously wrecked by Conkeldurr's Mach Punch and Scizor's Bullet Punch. You're better off using Porygon2, who's very bulky with Eviolite:
        -Thunder Wave/Toxic
        -Ice Beam
        -Thunderbolt
        -Recover
        Nature: Bold
        EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/84 SDef
        Item: Eviolite
        Ability: Trace
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        Old April 24th, 2012 (5:11 PM).
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        I can help invest in a moveset for Nidoking since everything else has been covered.

        Try this one:

        Choice Scarf Set
        Modest / Timid nature
        Choice Scarf
        Sheer Force (Requires Dream World)
        EVs: 4 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed
        - Earth Power
        - Sludge Wave / Fire Blast
        - Ice Beam
        - Shadow Ball

        Earth Power and Sludge Wave serve for STAB, try Fire Blast in place of Sludge Wave if you like.

        Ice Beam helps you deal with Dragon-types and Shadow Ball can help counter Psychic-types that would otherwise have an advantage.
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        Old April 25th, 2012 (6:52 AM).
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          I' say change Dnite to fully offensive sth like this:
          Dragonite (Multiscale)
          EVs 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
          Nature Adamant/Jolly
          Item Leftovers/Lum Berry
          ~ Dragon Dance
          ~ Outrage / Dragon Claw
          ~ Fire Punch
          ~ ExtremeSpeed / Earthquake / Roost


          And Changing Vaporeon to support with wish
          Vaporeon(Water Absorb)
          Item Leftovers
          Nature Bold
          EVs 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
          ~ Wish
          ~ Protect
          ~ Scald
          ~ Roar / Ice Beam / Toxic


          So he can wall nicely, Pass large amount of hp with wish
          Protect for scouting and make sure vaporeon will get his own wish
          Stab with Scald and 30%burn, You will decide for the last slot what you need more!
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            Ferrothorn has a very good support movepool, and you're not making the most of it. Plus, it doesn't need Focus Sash, since it's incredibly bulky. Gyro Ball and Power Whip are better STABs for Ferrothorn to use. Explosion also got nerfed in Gen V, which means it no longer halves Defense before it hits:
            -Stealth Rock/Spikes
            -Leech Seed
            -Power Whip/Protect
            -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
            Nature: Relaxed
            EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
            Item: Leftovers

            Gliscor should be making the most out of its high Defense and annoying support moves:
            -Swords Dance
            -Earthquake
            -Ice Fang/Facade
            -Taunt/Protect
            Nature: Impish
            EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
            Item: Toxic Orb
            Ability: Poison Heal

            or
            -Toxic
            -Earthquake
            -Protect
            -Taunt/Ice Fang/Facade
            Nature: Impish
            EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
            Item: Toxic Orb
            Ability: Poison Heal

            or
            -Substitute
            -Protect
            -Earthquake
            -Taunt/Toxic/Ice Fang
            Nature: Impish
            EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
            Item: Toxic Orb
            Ability: Poison Heal

            It seems to me that you're using Dragonite's bulky DD set. Use this spread for more bulk, and more initial Speed: 252 HP/44 Atk/212 Spe.

            Nidoking is the offensive kind of Pokemon. Investing in its defenses is a waste of time. Use the EV spread of 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe.

            Vaporeon is already specially bulky enough, so use a Bold nature and the EV spread of 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef to help it take physical hits.

            Porygon-Z is seriously wrecked by Conkeldurr's Mach Punch and Scizor's Bullet Punch. You're better off using Porygon2, who's very bulky with Eviolite:
            -Thunder Wave/Toxic
            -Ice Beam
            -Thunderbolt
            -Recover
            Nature: Bold
            EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/84 SDef
            Item: Eviolite
            Ability: Trace
            the reason i have focus sash is to stop fire moves from wrecking ferro.
            and the real purpose of this ferro set is to set up rocks, not to do damage, so power whip probably wont help. but i do think gyro ball is a better STAB than iron head.

            ill try the third Gliscor set, it looks pretty good.

            and for dnite i will up HP EVs. at the time i desined it i guess i just wasnt thinking.

            as for vapreon ill mess with the EVs and see what happens.

            for porygonz i really just used it as a filler. im thinking about swithing it with something like bulky mew. any suggestions?

            and thanks everyone else who posted something. its really appriceated.
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            the reason i have focus sash is to stop fire moves from wrecking ferro.
            and the real purpose of this ferro set is to set up rocks, not to do damage, so power whip probably wont help. but i do think gyro ball is a better STAB than iron head.
            Probably wise not to switch it into fire attacks though and let it set up at another point in the battle considering there's a 4x weakness to fire anyways. :x If you wanted something which has a "focus sash" that can set up Stealth Rock then you're probably better off with Forretress tbh (since you only want Ferro to set up SR), plus then you have a spinner in it too.
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              Probably wise not to switch it into fire attacks though and let it set up at another point in the battle considering there's a 4x weakness to fire anyways. :x If you wanted something which has a "focus sash" that can set up Stealth Rock then you're probably better off with Forretress tbh (since you only want Ferro to set up SR), plus then you have a spinner in it too.
              i actually lead with this ferrothorn. and forretress can carry sturdy so sashing it would be a waste of time.
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              i actually lead with this ferrothorn. and forretress can carry sturdy so sashing it would be a waste of time.
              No I meant forry could also lead and that there's no need for sash because of sturdy, making it easier for you :x
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              Old April 26th, 2012 (2:39 PM). Edited April 26th, 2012 by Geass20.
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                No I meant forry could also lead and that there's no need for sash because of sturdy, making it easier for you :x
                good point, ill try it and see if it works.

                tried the forry, it fail horribly.

                NOTE: can everyone PLEASE STOP commenting on ferro, ijust use him to get up rocks.

                also, im thinking of replacing porygon-z for a mew set that has bulk but can do some damage. suggestions?
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                If you're using only Ferrothorn for getting SR up, then you're doing it wrong. It's meant to use its high defenses to get hazards up, sponge resisted hits, attacking when possible and basically lasting as long as it can in battle. Making it set up Stealth Rock then Exploding kills that purpose.

                If the sole purpose of a Pokemon is to get hazards, up, then you should be using a suicide lead. They're fast enough to get hazards up and hit hard before they get KO'd. A good example is Azelf, who hits harder than Ferrothorn does:
                -Stealth Rock
                -U-turn
                -Explosion
                -Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch/Fire Blast
                Nature: Jolly/Naive
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
                Item: Focus Sash

                In other words (when using this Azelf): set up Stealth Rock, then U-turn or Explode when appropriate
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                  If you're using only Ferrothorn for getting SR up, then you're doing it wrong. It's meant to use its high defenses to get hazards up, sponge resisted hits, attacking when possible and basically lasting as long as it can in battle. Making it set up Stealth Rock then Exploding kills that purpose.

                  If the sole purpose of a Pokemon is to get hazards, up, then you should be using a suicide lead. They're fast enough to get hazards up and hit hard before they get KO'd. A good example is Azelf, who hits harder than Ferrothorn does:
                  -Stealth Rock
                  -U-turn
                  -Explosion
                  -Zen Headbutt/Ice Punch/Fire Blast
                  Nature: Jolly/Naive
                  EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
                  Item: Focus Sash

                  In other words (when using this Azelf): set up Stealth Rock, then U-turn or Explode when appropriate
                  i actually have tried this azelf set once, but i had trouble using it. still ill try it again and see what happens. but i find that ferro helps when facing bulky waters like politoad.

                  and i usually dont get 2 turns with ferro still alive, so i rarely use explosion. id replace it with spikes if i knew ferro could actually live a fire/fighting move.

                  once again i ask that people STOP posting improvements/replacements for ferro. to be honest im just sick of hearing about it.

                  also, im now using the mew set i mention earlier.

                  Mew lv. 100
                  item- wise glasses
                  EVs- 56 HP/ 176 DEF/ 60 SP. ATT/ 176 SP. DEF
                  trait synchronize
                  nature- modest
                  -psychic
                  -aura sphere
                  -nasty plot
                  -softboiled

                  tell me what you think of my sorta bulky mew set
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                  Hm...that Mew set is pretty creative. Just so Mew has more balanced bulk and power, change the EV spread to 224 HP/252 SAtk/32 Spe. This spread allows Mew to hit as hard as it can, while outspeeding max Speed Tyranitar and taking hits easily.
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                    Hm...that Mew set is pretty creative. Just so Mew has more balanced bulk and power, change the EV spread to 224 HP/252 SAtk/32 Spe. This spread allows Mew to hit as hard as it can, while outspeeding max Speed Tyranitar and taking hits easily.
                    ill play with the EV spread a little and see if it works in my team, but for the most part this mew kicks some serious ass when given the oppertunity.
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                      I see this post and realize you could ban me, BUT...... if Ferrothorn is set up for Entry Hazards, then maybe also try getting Spikes on there. If what you said is true that it usually doesn't survive the first 2 turns, then getting Spikes + Stealth Rock should in theory wreak most pokemon that are weak to them. However, that's all I'm saying there. Now, as for Gliscor (which in turn leads to my last idea for your team), get rid of Protect. Poison Heal Gliscor + Toxic Orb usually ends up with very dire circumstances for your opponent, and it's hard to kill even with Hail + Blizzard (at least ones I've fought anyway).
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                        angel its fine. i just didnt want every post to be about ferro, its okay to go back to him once and a while. also im not really sure about replacing protect because i got facade over sub because i never seem to keep it up. and prtecthelps me recover with gliscor, using poison heal.

                        NOTE- this gliscor set survived a surf from latios at less than half health. HOW DOES THAT @$%& HAPPEN?!
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                          Alright, cool. I also realize that Spikes is an Egg Move, so that'd be too much work there.

                          And GOOD GOD HOW?!?!?! 0_o (This is what I mean by how strong, and broken, they are.) Something with THAT much bulk and recovery needs to be banned or something. But until then, if you feel you need Protect, keep it. In the end, it's your deal man. It's not like there is a BEST pokemon or Trainer out there, just people who have skills.
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                          Old May 8th, 2012 (11:49 AM). Edited May 9th, 2012 by Patchisou Yutohru.
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                            Alright, cool. I also realize that Spikes is an Egg Move, so that'd be too much work there. :P

                            And GOOD GOD HOW?!?!?! 0_o (This is what I mean by how strong, and broken, they are.) Something with THAT much bulk and recovery needs to be banned or something. But until then, if you feel you need Protect, keep it. In the end, it's your deal man. It's not like there is a BEST pokemon or Trainer out there, just people who have skills. :P
                            im, as i already mentioned, using pokemon online so making changes isnt too hard.

                            and i know that the only thing we can do is improve at pokemon, thats why i made this tread.

                            NOTE- looking at my team i think i need to replace nido or something with a grass type. thinking leafeon but im open to any and all suggestions for a replacement. (no ubers obviously, but i feel i have to say it.)

                            ive also replaced ferro for the following azelf set

                            Azelf lv.100
                            item- focus sash
                            EVs- max att/speed, 4 DEF
                            trait- levitate
                            nature- jolly
                            -stealth rock
                            -uturn
                            -explosion
                            -thunderpunch

                            i decided to use t-punch to cover up my teams water weakness. that and most people dont expect azelf to spam it.

                            i havent gotten any new replies in a while so i figured id post an updated team list

                            Azelf lv.100
                            item- focus sash
                            EVs- max att/speed, 4 DEF
                            trait- levitate
                            nature- jolly
                            -stealth rock
                            -uturn
                            -explosion
                            -thunderpunch

                            this azelf is pretty good, basic set, but with t-punch to get rid of water types

                            Gliscor lv 100
                            item- toxic orb
                            EVs- 156 hp/ 52 att/ 184 def/ 116 spd
                            trait- poison heal
                            -facade
                            -earthquake
                            -ice fang
                            -protect

                            a huge threat to pokes like blissey, 140 base power facade for high damage. eq for STAB. and ice fang to help cover d-nite.

                            Dragonite lv. 100
                            item- same
                            EVs- 196 hp/ 60 att/ 252 spd
                            trait- same
                            - moveset same

                            my main sweeper. sets up with DD. roosts away damage, then d-claws everything. fire punch for coverage.

                            Nidoking
                            item- life orb
                            EVs- 28 hp/ 252 sp att/ 228 spd
                            trait- sheer force
                            nature- modest
                            -flamethrower
                            -ice beam
                            -t-bolt
                            -earth power

                            special attacker,usually used to resist grass pokes that switch in on vaproeon

                            Vaporeon
                            item- rocky helmet
                            EVs- 200 hp/ 252 def/ 56 sp def
                            trait- water absorb
                            nature- bold
                            -scald
                            -wish
                            -ice beam
                            -protect

                            switch it in to stop pokes like heatran. scald is obvious. item to hurt anyone who tries to take advantage of its "low" def stat.

                            Mew lv. 100
                            item- wise glasses
                            EVs- 56 HP/ 176 DEF/ 60 SP. ATT/ 176 SP. DEF
                            trait synchronize
                            nature- modest
                            -psychic
                            -aura sphere
                            -nasty plot
                            -softboiled

                            i havent messed with this guy in a while. anyway, psychic for STAB. aura sphere to hit dark types. nasty plot to set up. and softboiled to recover as needed.

                            any tips are always welcome
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                            That Gliscor set isn't using its bulk well. This EV spread gives it more bulk on the physical end: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe. That way, it outspeed Breloom while still having a high Defense. And just so you know, Gliscor isn't really meant to tear through teams; it's more of a support Pokemon, so I'd use Toxic over Ice Fang or Facade.

                            Use Psyshock over Psychic on Mew so that it can hit Chansey and Blissey on their weaker defensive stat. Also, change the EV spread to 224 HP/252 SAtk/32 Spe; that way, it can hit harder right off the bat, have enough Speed to outspeed Tyranitar and have more general all-around bulk. Use Life Orb as the item; Mew can always heal off the recoil with Softboiled, and Wise Glasses doesn't provide enough of a boost.

                            On Vaporeon, move 48 Special Defense EVs to its HP. Change the item to Leftovers.

                            And I've been wondering: where do you get your EV spreads from?
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                              The only thing I really have to say is that you'll want to ditch Nidoking's Life Orb for a Choice Scarf. It's mainstream, but very efficient. You don't want to risk getting outsped by something that could easily take it out. (can't think of a good example at the time) Everything about it is fine aside from the item. I'm not so sure about altering the EV spread.

                              For Vaporeon, you should also get rid of Ice Beam for Toxic and give it the Leftovers as mentioned above. You already get decent Dragon coverage from Gliscor's Ice Fang and Dragonite.
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                              Old May 9th, 2012 (11:36 AM).
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                                [QUOTE=Use Psyshock over Psychic on Mew so that it can hit Chansey and Blissey on their weaker defensive stat.


                                And I've been wondering: where do you get your EV spreads from?[/QUOTE]

                                ive actually done that already, but at the time i had psychic and i had already posted and didnt have time change it.

                                second i really just try to even my EV spreads out to what i think is good. i know its easier to just find them on Smogen or something but using this method helps me see where i make mistakes.

                                also thinking of replacing d-nites life orb for leftovers. comments?
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                                  I don't really think D-nite has enough longevity to run Leftovers... The only time I've ever used a recovery item on a frail poke was a substitute set on my Gengar... (Black Sludge)

                                  You should probably keep the Life Orb, imo.
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                                  Old May 9th, 2012 (1:18 PM). Edited May 9th, 2012 by Geass20.
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                                    I don't really think D-nite has enough longevity to run Leftovers... The only time I've ever used a recovery item on a frail poke was a substitute set on my Gengar... (Black Sludge)

                                    You should probably keep the Life Orb, imo.
                                    the reason i want to replace life orb is because i find that when its my last guy, even with like +6 att/spd, when i go for roost i get outsped and killed. this d-nite runs max spd too, and they dont use priority.

                                    Later...

                                    i switched the items and it helped a lot. example, had i been using life orb i would have died to a stone edge. thanks to recovery i was able to live that and a mach punch.
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                                      the reason i want to replace life orb is because i find that when its my last guy, even with like +6 att/spd, when i go for roost i get outsped and killed. this d-nite runs max spd too, and they dont use priority.

                                      Later...

                                      i switched the items and it helped a lot. example, had i been using life orb i would have died to a stone edge. thanks to recovery i was able to live that and a mach punch.
                                      Hmmmm.... I guess it's mostly situational. If the leftovers are really working better for you, go ahead and keep them.
                                       
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