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Old December 27th, 2013 (9:09 AM).
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In my years of playing pokemon competitly ive never been able to seen the difference between a perfect ev and iv gengar breed and raised vs a perfect iv and ev gengar from pokedit. I would assume that the ev distrubution would be a little of but thats it? When i mean hacked pokemon i mean perfectly legal pokemon brought from a external device.
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Old December 27th, 2013 (9:18 AM).
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I think as long as they are only hacked in terms of perfect IVs and maybe shinyness just to make yourself *** it shouldn't be a problem because you don't have an advantage against honest players. But you save a lot of time other players spend with breeding etc. so maybe many of them are offended by this :0
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Old December 27th, 2013 (10:13 AM).
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Yeah, and they are if they are hacked right. As long as the Evs are not above 510 and the Ivs are not more than 31 in each stat, then there is absolutely nothing wrong. It just suck for the people who actually work hard (Like me lol).
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Old December 27th, 2013 (10:23 AM).
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing legal hacks. As long as you make it with legal ivs and evs it shouldn't be a problem. I do it because I've got no time to breed the Pokemon myself. All it does is speed up the process. You will still come out with the same result as you would with pokegen if you breed correctly, so why does it matter? I don't know why so many people don't think it should be allowed...
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As long as it has legal IVs and EVs, a moveset it can actually have and a legal ability, it's fine by me.
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Old December 27th, 2013 (10:46 AM).
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Ivs are not more than 31 in each stat.
This isn't possible in the games, so that's not something to worry about. (IVs are stored in 5 bit numbers, the highest possible 5 bit number is 31.)
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Old December 27th, 2013 (10:50 AM).
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing legal hacks. As long as you make it with legal ivs and evs it shouldn't be a problem. I do it because I've got no time to breed the Pokemon myself. All it does is speed up the process. You will still come out with the same result as you would with pokegen if you breed correctly, so why does it matter? I don't know why so many people don't think it should be allowed...
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Old December 27th, 2013 (11:28 AM).
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I think the biggest problem is with things like Wish Chansey, wich are really hard to get legit (it was only given out in New York, I believe 8 years ago.) Hacking to get a legal Wish Chansey is still cheating, because you gain advantage over those without a legit Chansey.

Also, I think hacking Pokémon that can't be bred should be considered cheating, such as legendaries. I still think RNG abuse is cheating, just like any other exploit in games.

Cheating is fine when it's not used to gain advantage over other players, though. Cloning a Pokémon is technically cheating, but you won't gain any advantage in a battle by using a cloned Pokémon, so it's fine.
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I don't mind personally as long as they don't give an unfair advantage in battle......as long as they're viable I wouldn't see much point in getting upset over it.

Although I suppose it would be a bit annoying if the hacks were of something difficult to obtain, like an event move pokemon.....
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Old December 27th, 2013 (11:49 AM).
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I don't know. On one hand, it would be hypocritical of me to talk down to hackers, considering the Pokémon I expect to move through to Gen 6 (AR-produced event exclusives, mostly to get their Pokédex entries) . On the other hand, it does suck for people who try to breed their Pokémon legitimately, because unless they spend ungodly amounts of time breeding for perfect IVs, some precise natures etc (I never battle online, so I'm not a specialist) , they'll be sure to be outclassed.

Proceed with caution, I guess, and think about not ruining the experience for those who play 100% legitimately, because since they are the ones playing as Nintendo intended, they should get a good experience. As long as people do that, I don't mind.
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Old December 27th, 2013 (11:53 AM).
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Hacking in legitimate Pokemon is entirely fine. All you're doing is saving time that would otherwise be spent running in circles waiting for the RNG to bless you, not gaining any sort of advantage.
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I don't think Pokemon with over 510 evs can be transfered anyways, so I guess it doesn't matter.
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I just find it annoying going against a team of shiny legendaries.
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I don't think they should be allowed because it's unfair to battle pokemon with unfair stats and abilties that are not legit on that pokemon.
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I honestly don't mind as long as the stats and moveset are legit. I used to do this back in Gen 5, but have quit since then because of my moral complex. xD

It just speeds up the process to get the Pokemon you want ready for battling. No nature breeding, egg move chain breeding, or IV breeding, just a few clicks here and there and you've got your Pokemon. The only Pokemon I mind being generated are legendaries with perfect stats and natures because of how ridiculously tough that is to do. I was lucky enough to catch Mewtwo in Y with Modest nature and perfect Sp.Atk and Speed IVs. That's fine with me. xD
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I think it kinda ruins the fun of trying to get that rare pokemon you've been trying for ages to get or that shiny when all you have to do is press a few buttons and there it is , also trading is pretty pointless with this feature also.
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Codes to gain in-game event Pokemon are fine by me. I've missed tons of event Pokemon usually because I miss the event window due to having little time to play.

Anything else shouldn't be allowed, even the IV modifiers. Unless of course you have no intention of playing online & competitively.

GF have made EV's considerably easier to manage this gen so I don't see the need to mod those besides laziness. I never normally breed for IV's because for the most part I avoid online play unless battling a friend. Decided to give it a shot this gen though. I've used EV and IV modifiers before in previous gens, but I (until X&Y) have never played online and I wouldn't with a team I had modified and didn't 'earn' as such.

If modifying a pokemon's IV's to get 31 across the board is acceptable, then GF may as well just set all wild pokemon to start with the highest IV's possible and hell why not make all the starting moves the top egg moves while they're at it! Wait! lets reduce shiny rates to 1 in 10 too!!

I was lucky enough to receive a 4IV Modest Feebas with 3 egg moves over wonder-trade yesterday, only thing it needs is Special Attack. So I've been breeding it today in an attempt to get 5 perfect IV's. Every 'Outstanding' Feebas I've had so far has been missing Defence or Special attack. After just one day of breeding feebas after feebas, I can understand how irritating it must be for the people able or willing to invest the time to get these perfect IV's and egg moves, just to have people copy a code into an action replay and do all the work in a matter of seconds.

I genuinely wish there were an easier or at least less random way of getting top IV's but using codes to modify them isn't it. RNG's suck, I've had my fair share of being screwed over by RNGs in many a game. Rolling 1/100 or even worse 99/100 in an MMO just to have another player roll 100/100 XD. It's infuriating at times, but does that make hacking or illegally modifying a game a reasonable alternative?

On a side note, not sure anything can/should be considered 'legitimate' if it's hacked in...just my view.
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Old December 27th, 2013 (2:35 PM).
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Codes to gain in-game event Pokemon are fine by me. I've missed tons of event Pokemon usually because I miss the event window due to having little time to play.

Anything else shouldn't be allowed, even the IV modifiers. Unless of course you have no intention of playing online & competitively.

GF have made EV's considerably easier to manage this gen so I don't see the need to mod those besides laziness. I never normally breed for IV's because for the most part I avoid online play unless battling a friend. Decided to give it a shot this gen though. I've used EV and IV modifiers before in previous gens, but I (until X&Y) have never played online and I wouldn't with a team I had modified and didn't 'earn' as such.

If modifying a pokemon's IV's to get 31 across the board is acceptable, then GF may as well just set all wild pokemon to start with the highest IV's possible and hell why not make all the starting moves the top egg moves while they're at it! Wait! lets reduce shiny rates to 1 in 10 too!!

I was lucky enough to receive a 4IV Modest Feebas with 3 egg moves over wonder-trade yesterday, only thing it needs is Special Attack. So I've been breeding it today in an attempt to get 5 perfect IV's. Every 'Outstanding' Feebas I've had so far has been missing Defence or Special attack. After just one day of breeding feebas after feebas, I can understand how irritating it must be for the people able or willing to invest the time to get these perfect IV's and egg moves, just to have people copy a code into an action replay and do all the work in a matter of seconds.

I genuinely wish there were an easier or at least less random way of getting top IV's but using codes to modify them isn't it. RNG's suck, I've had my fair share of being screwed over by RNGs in many a game. Rolling 1/100 or even worse 99/100 in an MMO just to have another player roll 100/100 XD. It's infuriating at times, but does that make hacking or illegally modifying a game a reasonable alternative?

On a side note, not sure anything can/should be considered 'legitimate' if it's hacked in...just my view.
I agree with this post completely! Although breeding is time consuming, the accomplished feeling at the end makes it worth it. Where as being able to get any pokemon you want when ever you want what is the point of the game? I for one will continue breeding for my perfect iv Pokémon even though it will be useless for trading. Hoping they don't allow any "hacked" Pokémon through the poke bank into x or y legit pokemon or not,the one pokemon game I enjoy doing post game stuff on is about to be ruined .
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I don't think they should be allowed because it's unfair to battle pokemon with unfair stats and abilties that are not legit on that pokemon.
That wouldn't make it a hacked "legal" Pokemon though, which is what this specific topic is about.

As long as it's all "legal" looking, I don't have much of a problem. Obviously it isn't fair to those who work hard and spend a ton of hours getting that 'mon just right, but not everyone is willing to spend the time to achieve the results. It's a tad disappointing, but it is what it is.

I've done it myself quite a few times out of pure laziness. Get perfect IV's, or even egg moves that I didn't realize were egg moves until I checked online (stupid me.)

I don't support hacking the hell out of the Pokemon though. Giving them moves that they could never learn, or giving them more than 510 EV's. Keep those to yourself and for your own personal enjoyment, but don't go using them in a competitive manner. Just not right in my book.
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People should really shut up when it comes to hacked (legal) pokemon, I would rather save time and give my pokemon Maxed IVs rather than breeding which takes quite a while, it really saves time. It's like people complaining about something that really benefits them, it won't hurt you nor will the world end if you go and use Pokegen.
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People should really shut up when it comes to hacked (legal) pokemon, I would rather save time and give my pokemon Maxed IVs rather than breeding which takes quite a while, it really saves time. It's like people complaining about something that really benefits them, it won't hurt you nor will the world end if you go and use Pokegen.
People do have a right to complain, at least Nintendo can apparently identify Pokemon generated from outside sources.

It takes a while to get a perfect Pokemon because you have to work for it. People who don't work for it are just lazy, no offence but that's my opinion.
Players often say that It takes too long or they don't have enough time, Just excuses really, sure it takes a while but you'll get there in the end. It's not like it's going to take years!

You won't feel the same satisfaction of beating someone else's team as a player who bred legitimately for their 'mons! (If that makes sense)...

With all that being said, I couldn't care less about what other players do...
I prefer the hard way though! ;P
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As long as they're not "badly hacked" and look perfectly legitimate, then I'm fine by them. I've done this before myself quite a few times, and battled with these kind of Pokémon online in gen four games—no one seemed to complain or even notice that they were actually hacked. xD Anyway, this thread would fit better in Pokémon Gaming Central; I'm moving it there.

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I'm probably echoing the rest of the people in this thread, but I believe they should be allowed in, as long as they're stats and movesets are legal.

I've done this before. I'd use an Action Replay to find a perfect Nature'd Lapras and then EV trained it with the AR.
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As others have said, as long it's LEGIT meaning no mods to the stats, move-pool, EV's and IV's then it shouldn't be a problem. It makes it a lot easier for those that can't migrate Pokemon from older games over to X & Y
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Really, my problem is the excuse of not having time. If your someone who's constantly changing teams, than yes, I can understand it seeming pointless to do maybe a weeks worth of training for a team you are only going maybe once or twice. But for those of us who stick to a team for as long as we can, if you're willing to put in the time with the team in battle after, why can't you afford the time to train them? Especially means they are basically making it so easy now. Nature breeding just takes an everstone, EVs and IVs can be handled with power items, and as long as you have a routine, an hour's worth of gameplay can be enough to level up your guys across that week. I think, because of hacked versions of "perfect" pokemon, that the perfection is getting overrated.

In all honesty, I think people who think they need to do it just need to do kinda what I did with my prehistoric team: take a look at the stat maximums, and instead of shooting for perfection, ask themselves what would be a range that is acceptable to them, and go from there. The games were designed for diversity, and imho, being able to generate pokemon is ruining that.
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