Third Generation The hallmark of sprite-based Pokémon gaming, Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald set you off on an adventure in the watery Hoenn region with tons of diverse Pokémon to discover. Fans of Kanto can reexplore their favorite region in FireRed and LeafGreen. Here you'll find other fans who enjoy talking about the Pokémon, strategy, and techniques to master this generation.

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View Poll Results: Who is the hardest Hoenn Gym Leader?
Roxanne 5 1.76%
Brawly 25 8.80%
Wattson 26 9.15%
Flannery 7 2.46%
Norman 52 18.31%
Winona 22 7.75%
Tate & Liza 128 45.07%
Wallace/Juan 19 6.69%
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    Winona wrecked my team with her altaria all the other gyms i had no losses while she beat me like 7 times before i got my aggron and swampert
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      I don't have trouble with any of them anymore, but when I was younger it was always Winona and Juan who kept kicking my butt. I'm not even sure why; I guess I just sucked haha. Nowadays I just train properly and power through.
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      I think I recall Tate and Liza taking a while during my first playthrough. I've always been pretty horrible at balancing my training with my Pokémon, so it was usually the Pokémon that were weak against them that were of the highest level. Also the fact that I always seemed to forget what typing Lunatone and Solrock were because of their designs.

      Wallace was also a pretty hard one with that Milotic, so he'd probably come in second.
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        Oh my God. I remember it clear as day. It was terrible. Flannery kicked my ash. Haha Pokemon humor. anyway i didnt have a ground type or water type on my team so i often call flannerys gym hell because it was hard and it was a fire gym. I remember it took about 12 tries for me to win. Thats why nowadays I get a water type early!
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          In many of my games, the hardest would have to be Watson. At that early stage in the game his Magneton's steel typing was difficult to counter, as well as his Manectric's speed and power.
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            Tate & Liza, I was never prepared for a Double Battle. :c

            Wallace was hard when I decided to solo with Blaziken, but I think I only won because I was waaay overleveled.
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              My first time playing Sapphire way back in '03, I got owned hard by Norman. This is the point where the game's difficulty really stepped up a notch, and basically said, "You've had some experience, now let's see what you can really do!" This is also fitting for a battle against the main character's father. I had to battle him several times before I finally beat him because I underestimated Slaking due to its Truant ability. Now that I'm older and more experienced, though, all of the Gym Leaders are fairly easy.
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              Norman, followed by Wallace/Juan. 2 underleveled Slaking in R/S was too much to handle and even though Norman had only 1 Slaking in Emerald, it was still hard taking it out. Wallace's Milotic was hard to beat too; same goes for Juan's Kingdra.
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                The first time I played Sapphire (which was when I was like 5 or something) I would have a hard time fighting Wattson just because the only ground type I had was my Marshtomp and I didn't know anything about Pokemon at the time. It probably would've helped if the rest of my team wasn't all part flying type. (Taillow, Wingull, Beautifly)

                But I think Norman was definitely the most evil. It took me about 8 tries to beat him, then I drop my Gameboy and the game falls out and I have to fight him like 4 more times. Everyone else wasn't too hard. Nothing I couldn't handle once I got a hang of things.
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                  I found a lot of the Hoenn gym leaders hard but of course I was a nooby back than. The hardest I have to say were the twins...it took several tries against them in Emerald and in Sapphire to finally beat them... Also Juan was pretty hard, especially without a good strong electric Pokémon
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                    The twins practically murdered me primarily because i had no good water Pokemon. But with help of hyper potions my Blaziken eventually overpowered them. Norman was'nt hard at all cause my Blaziken's double kick destroyed him and slaking would loaf around all the time
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                      Whenever I started with Treecko, Wattson, his Magneton was evil. I used to train Grovyle to Lv. 29 for Leaf Blade before I'd have a chance at beating him.

                      Otherwise, Tate & Liza. A sudden 8 level jump from the last gym was shocking if you were unprepared for it.
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                        Damn, now this one's tough. There's alot to choose from. Wattson's Magneton Flannery's Torkoal and Norman's Slaking.

                        Oh, god...Those Slaking. I had to play the stall game wif em, using Pelipper's Protect and Water Gun to take advantage of that Truant ability. LOL I also had to give it a Leppa Berry.
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                          Winona. Thought you could use an Electric-type to breeze (no pun intended) through her team? Well, what a surprise when she starts mowing down your team with her Altaria with Dragon Dance and Earthquake.
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                            Norman...Slaking is a tank.

                            I'm doing a bug monotype challenge, and it seems like they are all going to give me trouble, bar Tate and Liza. I really really hate Norman though, since I never picked torchic, or caught any fighting types, I have to 5 hit ko slaking, who can one shot almost all of my pokemon at that point.
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                              Tate & Liza were hard for me, I remember I had to catch 6 Sharpedo to win, because my team was underleveled. Norman's Slakings proved to be a challenge as well.
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                              Tate and liza are the only ones that gave e trouble and that was in emerald when they had four pokemon.
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                                I usually had a problem with Tate and Liza. Curse you Lunatone and Solrock!!
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                                  Tate and Goddamn Liza, in ruby and sapphire they were easier, emerald just ramped up the difficulty to over kill. Especially when picking Torchic as a starter
                                  Surprisingly i found Dynamic punch to be Great against them
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                                    Winona and her goddamn Altaria completely destroyed me during my earlier runs of Ruby. Especially when I was using Sceptile at the time.

                                    And Norman's Slaking was a real pain to get through once upon a time, but these days all it does is loaf around waiting for each hit.
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                                    I still have trouble with Tate and Liza in Emerald if I don't have the right kind of team. So my vote is casted to them. Though my first time through Sapphire, I had trouble with every leader. I never had so much trouble with any other region's leaders, and that's including Whitney and Lenora. Hoenn, imo, had the most difficult leaders.

                                    edit: I don't think Wallace and Juan should be grouped together btw. They're two separate people and are fought as a gym leader in different games. Some people might have had trouble with one and not the other, but with the poll like that, they have to vote for both of them. That's a little silly. ;(
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                                    I haven't voted here yet?

                                    Anyway, Tate & Liza with Lunatone & Solrock.. the combination and strategy was pretty sturdy, I always needed a water Pokémon to take them down and even then it was still a struggle.
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                                      Since I had a blaziken i would say roxanne is since she's a rock type.
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                                        It has to be Tate and Liza...the horror..
                                        They would actually set up against me and go for the sweep.
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