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View Poll Results: Hardest Kanto Gym Leader
Brock 6 4.51%
Misty 42 31.58%
Lt. Surge 6 4.51%
Erika 2 1.50%
Koga 28 21.05%
Sabrina 43 32.33%
Blaine 0 0%
Giovanni 6 4.51%
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Old December 8th, 2012 (6:00 PM).
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    Koga + Muk + Minimize = Not a happy Consumer!

    I think Koga was hard because of his really high levelled Pokemon too. Such a giant gap between Erika's and his.
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    Old December 9th, 2012 (12:40 PM).
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      Misty. You have to grind a while if you don't have the type adventage
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      Old December 13th, 2012 (8:09 PM).
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        Well all the Kanto gym leaders in the game were easy to beat, but I guess that was because I would not challenge them until all of my party Pokemon were at a certain level. In FireRed I didn't battle Misty until all my Pokemon were level 30. It took forever, but the gym battles were easy. :D
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          Koga by a long shot if we look at the difference in levels from the previous here they are in order (Brock is exlcuded because there is nothing prior to him)

          #1 - Koga - 13
          #2 - Misty - 7
          #3 - Erika - 6
          #4 - Blaine - 4
          #5/6 - Gioavanni - 3
          #5/6 - Lt. Surge - 3
          #7 - Sabrina - 0
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          For me: Fire Red Misty was hard, because I chosed charmander which already evolved into charmeleon lv.26, so I had to train my Pikachu lv. 16 I put in the pc to win Misty, but Misty in Yellow...it was so freakin easy. So the hardest gym leader in Kanto is a tie between Misty and Koga (I had trouble to get past that Muk)
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            I concur with the majority of the thread. Misty was the most difficult for when I played FireRed, especially because I chose Charmander. 115 BS Speed Starmie + STAB Water Pulse was a nightmare to beat.
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            Old December 21st, 2012 (4:59 PM).
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              For myself, it was Sabrina.

              I was simply far too under-leveled by that point in the game.
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              For me, Koga was the hardest to beat. His Minimize/Toxic combination was a blast! I didn't have Psychic pokemon and my Graveler couldn't hit him.
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              Old December 21st, 2012 (6:41 PM).
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              Even though Lt.Surge is my favorite gym leader of this series, he was a pain to beat. I lacked a Pokemon that would beat him easily. I'd have to go find myself at least a ground-type in order to beat him and his super powered Raichu.
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                For me it had to be Koga, even though he wasn't all that difficult, his Minimize+Toxic combo with Muk would frustrate me to no end. I beat him on the second try I believe on my first playthrough, but it was so annoying.
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                  I picked Sabrina because there isn't a fast way to level up Gastly; I encountered some difficulties againist Misty too, but I always catch a Pikachu in Viridian Forest and also I make sure to have a Buterfree so i can poison/fall asleep her Starmie while Pika make him fainted
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                    Misty was always the hardest for me, because even when I pick Bulbasaur, if I don't grind, the speed and Special Attack of Starmie mixed with the annoying second effect of Water Pulse drove me crazy.
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                      Charmander was my starter so, like everyone else, Misty was hard for me to defeat. I caught a Pikachu from the Viridian forest but it got killed by Starmie before it could do anything. :/
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                        In my playthrough of FireRed, I had used a Charmander as my starter, and I kept losing to Misty. I had to train for a really long time until I finally managed to beat her Starmie. I still remember my frustrations with her, and it felt like winning the lottery when I beat her.
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                          Sabrina was tough in the originals, but she's really weak here. All you need is a Pokemon with Bite and that's a common move. The rest is also way too easy in the remakes.
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                            I used to have difficulties with the 'brainbraker' of LT. sturge back in the period when I was 6.

                            Gym leaders? I always used to battle Brock with pidgey and pikachu back then.
                            And I always succeed with some difficulty...
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                              None of the were a problem my Bulbasaur soloed pretty much till 3rd gym were it evolved in the ship were you Venusaur and became even more beast I caught a Growlithe and evolved it into Arcanine for the 4th gym, My Alakazam took the 5th gym, Arcanine bited that gym to death together with Gyarados, Gyarados overpowered Blaine and Giovanni was taken out by Venusaur and Gyarados.

                              Gamefreak knew everyone would have a Charfetish thats why misty was the hardest but not from me, I completed the game weeks before my classmates (rivals) because of the fact that they were stuck at Misty while I was kicking Koga's ass



                              There's nothing wrong with Charmander. What you did is over-level your Pokemon (seriously, a Venusaur before you got to the third Gym). Hell, I could destroy Misty's Pokemon with flamethrower if I had a Charizard by the time I fought the second gym. Its not skill or smarts that got you through the game, you over-trained.

                              On to the topic. If you think about it, any Gym is easy to beat once you know what you're doing.
                              If anyone actually stopped to think about it, you would realize that in most cases (in every Pokemon game), you can catch Pokemon in the areas surrounding those Gym cities (or earlier on) who have the type advantage over the Gym Leader.

                              Mankey> Brock

                              Paras/ Oddish/ Bellsprout/ Pikachu> Misty

                              Diglett/ Dugtrio/ Graveler/ Sandslash> Lt. Surge

                              Pidgeotto/ Fearow/ Growlithe/ Vulpix> Erika

                              Rhydon/ Graveler/ Onix/ Dugtrio/ Kadabra (Abra early on)> Koga

                              Haunter> Sabrina

                              Any Water/ Ground/ Rock Type Pokemon available prior to reaching Cinnabar Island> Blaine

                              Any Water/ Grass Type Pokemon available before the 8th Gym Battle> Giovanni.
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                                I used to allways find Lt.Surge hard because I usually pick water pokemon, and I don't really use any of my early Pokémon later on (Apart from Abra of course)
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                                  There's nothing wrong with Charmander. What you did is over-level your Pokemon (seriously, a Venusaur before you got to the third Gym). Hell, I could destroy Misty's Pokemon with flamethrower if I had a Charizard by the time I fought the second gym. Its not skill or smarts that got you through the game, you over-trained.
                                  Seriously, I don't know how people manage to get such high levels so early into the game, they must cheat or something. I was reading a FAQ in GameFAQs and the guy had L60 Pokémon when he fought Giovanni in Viridian, that's almost unimaginable to me.

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                                  On to the topic. If you think about it, any Gym is easy to beat once you know what you're doing.
                                  If anyone actually stopped to think about it, you would realize that in most cases (in every Pokemon game), you can catch Pokemon in the areas surrounding those Gym cities (or earlier on) who have the type advantage over the Gym Leader.
                                  That's usually my strategy in Pokémon games. Actually, in FRLG, they went to such extent that they not only gave Charmander Metal Claw, they also added Mankey to Route 22, which learns Low Kick and destroys Brock's Onix. And of course Mankey doesn't become useless after the second gym like Butterfree.

                                  Examples of clever map placement in FRLG:

                                  Brock: start with Bulbasaur/Squirtle, or catch a Mankey
                                  Misty: Route 24 has Bellsprout/Oddish
                                  Lt. Surge: Diglett's Cave just east of Vermilion
                                  Erika: Growlithe/Vulpix east of Celadon, also Pidgey/Spearow literally everywhere
                                  Koga: Safari Zone has Rhyhorn, Nidorino, Nidorina, all of them good against him
                                  Sabrina: Gastly in Pokémon Tower
                                  Blaine: Seafoam Islands with tons of Water Pokémon just before Cinnabar
                                  Giovanni: By this point you should have something to beat him

                                  Examples in other games:

                                  GSC: Ice Path before Dragon Gym
                                  RSE: Not sure, been too long since I last played it
                                  DPP: Eterna Forest with tons of Bug and Flying Pokémon before Grass Gym
                                  BW: Desert with Sandile (Ground Pokémon) before Electric Gym
                                  B2W2: Never played it
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                                    Examples in other games:

                                    GSC: Ice Path before Dragon Gym
                                    RSE: Not sure, been too long since I last played it
                                    DPP: Eterna Forest with tons of Bug and Flying Pokémon before Grass Gym
                                    BW: Desert with Sandile (Ground Pokémon) before Electric Gym
                                    B2W2: Never played it


                                    RSE: Shroomish and (in Emerald) Marill before the Rock Gym

                                    B2W2: Almost the same as BW with a few additions:

                                    Riolu available before the Normal Gym
                                    Magnamite available before the Poison Gym
                                    Desert Resort before the Electric Gym
                                    Chargestone Cave before Flying Gym
                                    A lot of Electric and Grass Types available before the final Water Gym
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                                      Brock was the hardest for me xD I had Charmander and a few others so I had to epically grind but by then everyone got owned xD
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                                        Oops just realized I didn't answer the question... Sabrina would be hardest for me. Misty is fairly easy with Gloom/Weepinbell and Sleep Powder.

                                        Sabrina may have the same levels as Koga but it's wise to do her after him because Psychic is much more dangerous than Poison. Koga spams Toxic, but otherwise has no real way to attack you, while you can heal yourself with Full Heal and keep attacking him until you win.
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                                        Old January 12th, 2013 (12:37 PM).
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                                          Whenever I play the first generation I choose Charmander! And then I have to envolve it before I fight against Brock. This takes time and that's why he's the hardest leader for me.
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                                          Old January 12th, 2013 (7:24 PM). Edited January 16th, 2013 by Pothus.
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                                            I'm surprised the majority is Misty. I found her quite easy to beat now (and as a child).

                                            I chose Koga because poison types down-right piss me off. Specifically Koffing. Even more specific his Koffing.

                                            I mean... just look at it!

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                                              I'd say Sabrina because of psychic types.
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