ARCHIVED: Battle Center This forum is designed for all of your Pokémon battling needs! The main forum is meant for discussions, battle requests, battle logs, and other threads related to battling. Look to the sub-forums for events and team help.

Draconius GO
Thread Tools
Old April 15th, 2013 (11:27 AM).
wolf's Avatar
wolf wolf is online now
  • Super Moderator
  • Battle Server Staff
  • Crystal Tier
Join Date: Sep 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,151
Or do you think that the power creep is nonexistent or too minor to make a difference?

From Wikipedia:

Power creep is the gradual unbalancing of a game due to successive releases of new content.
Pokemon are usually given better stats nowadays (see: Garchomp, Conkeldurr, Reuniclus, and so on). As more moves are made, Pokemon are given wider and wider movepools, making them much more difficult to check or counter. Not to mention the Dream World abilities that have drastically changed many Pokemon like Politoed, Ninetales, Sableye, and Xatu.

Relevant Advertising!

Old April 16th, 2013 (12:17 AM).
Stormborn Stormborn is offline
    Join Date: Mar 2013
    Age: 23
    Gender: Male
    Nature: Relaxed
    Posts: 78
    I personally dislike it a lot, back in Gen IV a stat of 100 was considered good. Nowadays a stat of 100 is merely average, it also makes stall harder to play due to how powerful offensive teams can get. I also feel with so much offensive Pokemon at your disposal the element of strategy is somewhat lost (not entirely of course but a little bit).

    Anyways I think Gen V has become too powerful. I mean look at some of the UU Pokemon like Zapdos and Kingdra. They were big threats in DP OU and now relegated to UU. I'd say current UU has close to what DP OU had in terms of firepower. Honestly I feel it's too much and Gen VI doesn't overdo it.
    Old April 16th, 2013 (10:26 AM).
    ClumzyTrainR13's Avatar
    ClumzyTrainR13 ClumzyTrainR13 is offline
    Storm Caster
      Join Date: Jan 2013
      Location: PST Time Zone
      Gender: Male
      Posts: 72
      In my opinion the power creep has made the game more interesting. It, if anything else, adds an unexpectable variety to the game that just increases the thrill. Think about it this way. What fun is Pokemon if you can anticipate every move your opponent makes? If the ability and strength of your Pokemon will be able to rival those you face? Basically, I just think that the constant expansion of outcomes and drastic changes simply add to suspense and benefit the game in a positive way.

      Black 2 FC:

      Old April 17th, 2013 (2:54 PM). Edited April 17th, 2013 by Dark Azelf.
      Dark Azelf's Avatar
      Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
      Probably hates you.
      • Gold Tier
      Join Date: Jun 2007
      Age: 27
      Gender: Male
      Nature: Impish
      Posts: 7,146
      Its hindered battling imo.

      Back in GSC and RSE and even in Dp you had to actually work to get around counters by using your brain and lures and strategy. Now any idiot can pick up a team and just click Outrage and see the words "Haxorus/Kyurem-b used Outrage Steelix was 2hkod" or mindlessly spam weather or volt turn. So many Pokemon cannot be countered or even checked its actually ridiculous tbh.

      Back in Dp i could be all like "hmmm im weak to special attackers, ill just use Blissey or something" and now we have things on the special side that actually EASILY bypass Blissey and there are ALOT of them. Thundurus-T, Special Landorus, Psyshock anything, Reuniclus, Chesto Rest Volc are just a few that come to mind. Sure there were a few back in DP and RS that beat Blissey too but those were few and far between but i digress. Same on the physical side only its much worse this gen.

      Strategy is a dead and lost art now. BW "strategy" might aswell be called "lets compare our guns, if mine are bigger i win".

      Hopefully XY salvages that by giving us more defensive pokemon (no Jellicent and ferrothorn is not enough) rather retarded things with base 140+ attack so people actually need to THINK again when teambuilding/battling.
      This signature has been disabled.
      You\'ve been told enough times to remove this signature. Slandering a part of PokeCommunity is unacceptable.
      Please review and fix the issues by reading the signature rules.

      You must edit it to meet the limits set by the rules before you may remove the [sig-reason] code from your signature. Removing this tag will re-enable it.

      Do not remove the tag until you fix the issues in your signature. You may be infracted for removing this tag if you do not fix the specified issues. Do not use this tag for decoration purposes.
      Old April 18th, 2013 (12:27 AM). Edited April 18th, 2013 by Fire Flyy.
      Fire Flyy's Avatar
      Fire Flyy Fire Flyy is offline
      metaphysical poet
        Join Date: Jul 2012
        Location: below the heavens
        Age: 21
        Gender: Male
        Nature: Sassy
        Posts: 187
        i don't really see how it could benefit a metagame when it's slowly destroying one of the playstyles, a balanced meta is what most players define as desirable and such a meta inheres viability of all playstyles, offense, stall and balance, when you release ridiculous stuff like Landorus that straight up ruin stall with the combo of Keldeo and Tyranitar then that just unbalanced the metagame more

        also im glad elf hasnt played BW2 a lot, hed probably end up throwing his comp out the window if he thinks volc, reuniclus and thundurus are huge problems for stall, they kind of pale compared to Landorus, Breloom, etc
        Old April 18th, 2013 (9:29 AM).
        Ledgetheorc's Avatar
        Ledgetheorc Ledgetheorc is offline
        Pokemon Researcher
          Join Date: Apr 2013
          Location: Greenville, South Carolina
          Age: 27
          Gender: Male
          Nature: Docile
          Posts: 32
          I'd actually like to see older pokemon, even the ones considered NU or RU be able to compete in higher tiers. A general stat balancing would be what I like the see, instead of the ever increasing stat caps. Though, for this reason I tend to shy away from Uber/OU, and keep to UU and below. (That and most of my favorites happen to be in there. : /)
          Old April 18th, 2013 (10:22 AM).
          Melody's Avatar
          Melody Melody is offline
          A song³, A feeling³, An experience³ in 3D³
          • Crystal Tier
          Join Date: Oct 2004
          Location: Cuddling those close to me
          Gender: Female
          Nature: Naughty
          Posts: 6,457
          I don't mind power creep. I think it forces you to think harder and deeper about your strategy if you're going to run defensively, and the problem I encounter with most defensive strategies is that you really can't have enough moves to defend and attack. This is balanced in it's own way.

          I think that walling or playing defensive needs to be somewhat on the disadvantaged side, especially when defensive pokes have a wide suite of methods to deal out damage like burns, poison, curses, spikes and weather. Not to mention that stalling is as easy as having a pokemon able to use a recovery move or item/ability/move combo to recuperate lost HP while absorbing damage and dealing out their own attacks.

          I don't believe defensive tactics stop at absorbing damage. It encompasses raising your defensive stats like speed, evasion, lowering your opponent's attacking stats or accuracy, inflicting statuses on them or even stopping them entirely by putting them to sleep, freezing them, or causing flinches.

          It's because Smogon is so banhappy with all of those things that defensive pokemon really have a hard time, because they get nerfed because "OMG I HATE HAX" or "OMG IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT" or some stupid crap like that.

          Hax is no reason to ban something. Hax is amusing, Hax is a part of the game and Hax is really the luck component of Pokemon that I believe keeps it fresh. So yeah, we need to open the floodgates and let the game shine to it's fullest. Don't ban things like Moody if it makes an otherwise weak pokemon a viable threat. Don't discourage things like Brightpowder, Double Team or evasion raising moves!

          I would like to see tiers and banlists based on faith that Game Freak knows what the hell they're doing, and that optimizes not only the fun of battling, but respects the intent of the original matter how much losing to THAT ONE STRATEGY pisses you off.
          That's So Lewd! HAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAA
          Astral and Soipe
          Inspired by Nepgear

          Old April 18th, 2013 (1:14 PM).
          voltianqueen's Avatar
          voltianqueen voltianqueen is offline
            Join Date: Dec 2008
            Location: TN
            Age: 23
            Gender: Female
            Nature: Relaxed
            Posts: 180
            Originally Posted by Ledgetheorc View Post
            I'd actually like to see older pokemon, even the ones considered NU or RU be able to compete in higher tiers. A general stat balancing would be what I like the see, instead of the ever increasing stat caps. Though, for this reason I tend to shy away from Uber/OU, and keep to UU and below. (That and most of my favorites happen to be in there. : /)
            Yeah, this pretty much sums up my feelings. The new Pokemon keep getting more and more powerful with wild stats, and older Pokemon can't really keep up. Not to mention it's basically all offense. I think it's becoming a bit much, I hope gen 6 will tone it down a bit.
            Old April 18th, 2013 (7:06 PM).
            Anti's Avatar
            Anti Anti is offline
            return of the king
            • Gold Tier
            Join Date: Jul 2007
            Location: Kobe's Reality
            Gender: Other
            Nature: Adamant
            Posts: 10,813
            Going to echo a lot of the anti-power creep stuff. As much as I find stall to be boring, lethargic, and unimaginative even when done well, it definitely should be healthy enough to be viable. BW always felt like too much of a crapshoot to me and maybe that's changed but power creep...whyyyyyy

            Do we really need a Dragon with a bazillion base attack or Pokemon that are instantly boosted by switching in your Tyranitar? ehhhhhh
            Why are the beautiful sick and divided like myself?

            Quick Reply

            Join the conversation!

            Create an account to post a reply in this thread, participate in other discussions, and more!

            Create a PokéCommunity Account

            Sponsored Links
            Thread Tools

            Posting Rules
            You may not post new threads
            You may not post replies
            You may not post attachments
            You may not edit your posts

            BB code is On
            Smilies are On
            [IMG] code is On
            HTML code is Off

            Forum Jump

            All times are GMT -8. The time now is 9:29 PM.