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Old May 23rd, 2013 (4:38 AM).
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I have no doubt about it being a good move quality-wise to open this place up to all members and of course there'll be so much more diversity and in turn quality with the threads, plus it'll be great to get to know new people that aren't always around, but I just don't see it working based on the sheer volume of threads we'll likely have made as a result. Sure these threads will be a good thing and I'm not disputing that they should be made, I just think it's a bit redundant having the section if the majority of the threads will never get posted in after being pushed back? This is, of course, all entirely hypothetical and may prove to be completely false, but it can't realistically be opened up to regular members as a "test" and then pulled back into the supporter section - it's just like giving a false promise - so it'll have to stay if this happens :p I'm certainly very interested to see how it works out when everyone gains access and hopefully it'll go off without a hitch, but we'll have to wait and see haha. I am liking Kura's idea as a potential solution, though.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (11:01 AM).
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Considering the nature of the forum is to get to know each other better, it seems to me that opening it to all members is the most logical thing to do. I mean, why should they miss the chance to get to know us or let us get to know them just because they didn't pay some money to PC? It just seems rather unnecessary to exclude anyone from something like this.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (12:40 PM).
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In my opinion, if this forum is available for everyone, we'll get Welcome Lounge v.2 - loads of new topics, almost no replies.

I'd leave this opened for supporters and people who wrote a certain (high) number of posts.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (12:45 PM).
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Worst case scenario is people make accounts just to make an AMA, I agree on keeping this only open to Supporters. At least then if you want to make an AMA you'd have to pay up.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (2:11 PM).
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Worst case scenario is people make accounts just to make an AMA, I agree on keeping this only open to Supporters.

Who...???
Who would do that...???
Who has the desire to make an account on a Pokemon forum, not to post about Pokemon or interact with the rest of the forums, but just to make an AMA...?????

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At least then if you want to make an AMA you'd have to pay up.
I thought the point of this whole idea was to get to know the memberbase and what not, not just those who have money.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (2:27 PM).
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I'm leaning more towards letting this forum be for everyone. Like Chris said, the purpose is so that members can get to know each other. Also, if we have a wait list system of any sort, that'll help filter too many threads being made at one time. Not only that, but I'm sure that, when this does hit the public since I'm sure that's still the plan, there will be a set limit on things. Like how you need to be an active member for at least 3-4 months and have a certain amount on posts. I know the forum would get lots of new threads, but with that kind of filter, I think it'd help.

And to those concerned over new threads not getting replies or not getting many, if you are so worried about that, be that person that posts in the new threads. Reply to whoever posts in your threads, which is what I've been doing. It can get tedious yes, but at least make the effort, especially if you're going to sit here and say, "but the new threads won't get many replies!" That can be fixed. You can be a part of that solution.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (2:49 PM).
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I suppose I'll have to be that guy and say it: maybe, instead on focusing so much on how other people are going to interact with the 'unknown' person, maybe we should focus on the unknown person himself. I can't help but think that we're putting too much focus on what other people are doing. In order to become 'popular', the member has to throw himself out there, correct? Engage the community, talk to people, etc. Be someone that stands out amongst the crowd. I'm not saying the member has to emulate freaking BeachBoy or Razor Leaf, but if the person cares so much about the amount of people who reply to his thread, maybe he should become someone that the community wants to know about.

Maybe he should become interesting.
I think this quote is just as relevant now as it was about 20 or so days ago, when we were having the exact same discussion.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (3:44 PM).
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The thing is, I keep hearing the same two or three reasons why this forum shouldn't be made public. Whereas I see numerous good reasons as to why it should. From where I stand, I feel like the positives of making it public outweigh the negatives. All of which could be resolved by using alternative methods to avoid such conflict. As others have said, there are restrictions and limitations that can help prevent an over flux of activity in the forum so threads don't get pushed down too quickly and ignored.

Not to step on anyone's feet or come off as rude, but I find it kind of silly for someone to have to pay money to gain access to a forum that's meant for members to get to better know one another. That's like saying members should have to pay in order to send visitor messages to one another. I mean, unless I need to get my eyes checked the forum is called the Members Interaction Forum, not the Supporters Interaction Forum. If the latter were the case, then rather than have its own forum, we should take this to the VIP Forum since it could use some serious attention by supporters. The idea for this was to always be opened to the public, and I think that idea should still go through if this forum is to reach its fullest potential and benefit the community.
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I don't understand why we should make this forum supporter only when the original idea was to have members, as in supporters, non-supporters, and staff, to all get to know each other in a new and fun way. Why anyone should have to pay or get modded so they can access the VIP forum to use this thing is beyond me and in a sense defeats most of the purpose. I have a lot of non-supporter members I would love to get to know through these threads and I don't think they should be denied the right to have a thread because of this staying in here.

tl;dr I don't want this forum to veer off from the original purpose. If it stays supporter only, it needs to be renamed Supporter Interaction Center.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (4:02 PM).
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It wouldn't be much of a flood of threads. There are new members posting in Welcome Lounge every day and that forum is doing just fine. Plus, they don't have to wait to be approved. In here, there is thread approval. There won't really be "a flood of new threads" like there can be in TWL.
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The fact of the matter is, if you keep this supporter only, it's going to get very stale and will eventually turn into the VIP Forum 2.0.
That is to say; a complete wasteland.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (4:21 PM).
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As someone that used to be an NU/W regular, New Users can be a stressful forum to post in, so it isn't really easygoing all the time as it appears, but I digress.

But my concern lies in this: How do you know if there isn't going to be an influx of threads? I think it's a perfectly natural thing for people to want to get to be asked questions! That and, whatever the longevity limit is for members to post there (let's assume four months, like you said), there'll be a good 70-80% of members that meet that limit... Haha, I could be thinking of just the worst case scenario here (in that case, just disregard what im saying), which is that the approval thread would get flooded with requests, and then like 10 or 20 threads would be made within the span of like 30 minutes to an hour, which was pretty much what happened when this forum was made. I'm only going by that, after all!
I was once an NU/W regular as well, and best friends with one of the ex-mods of the forum. I know how it goes behind the scenes as well as what we all see, so bringing that up is rather irrelevant to me.

What I meant was that there is a better traffic flow in this forum than there is in The Welcome Lounge. I've already said it. Threads are under an approval system and there's a wait list for members. There will likely be a requirement with time spent on PC as well as posts made, so while it may get some spikes in activity, I'm sure that the smods modding over this forum, and any future moderator, will be able to take care of it just fine when it goes out into the public. And you also have to realize, not everyone wants to make one. I didn't want to make one originally. There are other supporters that felt the same, and I'm sure there will still be members that don't want to make one either. So don't assume that opening the forum to the public means "omg everyone is gonna want one!" Yes, there will be a big majority in the beginning, but it'll slow down a bit, just like it has lately with it being only supporters and staff. Yes there will be spikes too. What forum doesn't have them? It will be handled just fine, rest assured.

Chris already made another point I wanted to say. It's going to get boring getting to know only supporters, especially when you consider that most supporters are already well known around the forum anyway. I want to know some of the other people on PC. And they shouldn't have to pay for the opportunity for the rest of the forum to get to know them and for them to get to know the rest of the forum.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (4:43 PM).
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As I mentioned earlier, if you're concerned about some threads not getting any love, be the solution to that situation. Go in those threads withcha bad self and give that cute lil member some questions! It's really not hard as long as people make a conscious effort. I try to post in newer threads I see around here or when I see a user that interests me and if someone posts in my thread, I make sure to go to theirs and post as well. It's a system that's working well for me. It'd help if other people adopted it as well, I think.

As far as organization goes, I think it's going fine right now. Of course we're still in beta, but I think the smods running this forum for the time being are doing a great job in getting threads approved and not really overrunning us with new ones. And when this forum goes out to the public and it eventually gets a mod (if they decide to do that anyway) then I'm sure it'll be someone well versed in this forum and they'll be just fine. If they have questions and troubles, they can easily ask any of the smods running MIC during this time and they would be happy to help.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (6:09 PM).
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We'll adapt if need be accordingly if it goes public anyway. That being a concern to you seems silly because that isn't much of a concern to me and I'm one of the three people who are pretty much running the forum.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (9:19 PM).
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You can only bump your thread past the month cut off date. (Meaning people can't ask you questions past that date, but you can bump it.)
I'm not exactly sure on what this exactly means. If people can't ask you questions after that date what would be the point of bumping up your thread? Isn't it to get more people to ask you questions? Explain this more.
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I'm not exactly sure on what this exactly means. If people can't ask you questions after that date what would be the point of bumping up your thread? Isn't it to get more people to ask you questions? Explain this more.
Its the same as any other forum regarding the thread cutoff date "don't post in threads older than a month" but gives a condition that if you're the person who posted last in that thread and its a thread of your own (well, everyone can only have one thread here, so if it's yours) then you can post in the thread to bump it and revive it for another month, at least.

As much as I would love all threads to be able to be posted in whenever, I thought about it (from the last post I made about this topic and my position of keeping all threads open indefinitely and dropping the cut off date completely) and if we do that, then this forum would just be a mess. Threads have to die somehow.
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Old May 23rd, 2013 (10:14 PM).
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Its the same as any other forum regarding the thread cutoff date "don't post in threads older than a month" but gives a condition that if you're the person who posted last in that thread and its a thread of your own (well, everyone can only have one thread here, so if it's yours) then you can post in the thread to bump it and revive it for another month, at least.

As much as I would love all threads to be able to be posted in whenever, I thought about it (from the last post I made about this topic and my position of keeping all threads open indefinitely and dropping the cut off date completely) and if we do that, then this forum would just be a mess. Threads have to die somehow.
I see that makes more sense. So if someone else that wasn't the owner of the thread were to bump it up then it would be closed by a moderator or staff in control of the forum. If that happens would the OP be able to make a new thread?
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Old May 24th, 2013 (5:35 AM).
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Regarding letting the public see and use this forum, I still think that we should do that. I do, however, understand some of the concern some people have with it. So, to counter that, I think the best appropriate action to take before (or for good) is to create a user requestable usergroup that has access to this forum. Users can request access to this usergroup in their User CP and then a higher staff member would approve them / decline their request. That way, members who aren't supporters don't need to donate to gain access to this forum, and it won't be overrun with members who feel the need to create a thread.

@AWsquared: I'm not sure yet. I would really prefer absolutely no threads be locked, and I would still prefer everyone having a single thread. There really isn't a point to create another one if you have one already, right?
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Old May 24th, 2013 (12:22 PM).
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I don't think the issue of people getting continually pushed back is a very big one, personally. It seems to me that pretty much everyone has at least some friends and that they will likely go bump the thread to from time to time when they think of a good question. Then they have another chance to get new questions from people they don't know. I realize for some newer people that won't be the case, but as they build friends I'm sure their thread will receive more questions as well.
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Regarding letting the public see and use this forum, I still think that we should do that. I do, however, understand some of the concern some people have with it. So, to counter that, I think the best appropriate action to take before (or for good) is to create a user requestable usergroup that has access to this forum. Users can request access to this usergroup in their User CP and then a higher staff member would approve them / decline their request. That way, members who aren't supporters don't need to donate to gain access to this forum, and it won't be overrun with members who feel the need to create a thread.

@AWsquared: I'm not sure yet. I would really prefer absolutely no threads be locked, and I would still prefer everyone having a single thread. There really isn't a point to create another one if you have one already, right?
I like the idea of no threads to be locked too, it's easier and less confusing to have a single thread rather than having multiple threads for one person cluttering the forum with useless threads. I really don't see someone's thread would get ignored for a month as something that happens often.

A usergroup sounds like a good idea and think requesting to join it thought the CP is the best way to implement that.Now I'm more leaning toward making this forum open to the public. Personally I feel if I were a new member, I'd wait to gain some notoriety around the forums before I'd request to join said usergroup. But that's just me. I can see new members wanting to use this forum as a way to make more friends and get to know people more. I'd like to see that happen in a way too. As NecrumWarrior mentioned, though, many people have a few friends here, even after several weeks/months of joining so threads getting push back a ton isn't much of a concern of mine.
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Old May 25th, 2013 (7:47 AM).
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Oh. This forum looks really fun. I'll probably never dare to post a thread myself :p but I'll ask others silly, friendly questions once in a while.

Things seem to be going smoothly, I think? Good initiative, anyways!

Also, question: do we have to read through a whole thread when we want to ask someone something, to make sure that the question hasn't been answered before? Or could it be enough to read through the last page?

When I've skimmed through threads now, I read the first post of course, but some threads are already long and even though it's fun to get to know more about a person from reading them, maybe you sometimes want to know something specific and would rather just post that question than skim through it all to see if it's already been asked.
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Old May 25th, 2013 (8:30 AM).
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I think it's just common sense to read through a thread to make sure the question hasn't been asked before, lol. Though after a few pages I'm sure it would be forgivable???

Ctrl+f certain keywords if you want to find out quickly, I guess??
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Yes, I suppose that could be common sense. So I read through some threads from people I know, and after that I couldn't come up with another question to ask without thinking really hard xD Might just be my bad imagination though, hehe.

But if you can never ask old (a few pages old at least) questions anew, then threads might eventually fade and die. The purpose of these threads... Is it to keep a library on a person's answers for others to read through, or is it for people to have fun and get to know each other in? Read-and-know or talk-and-get-to-know?

If it's the latter, I think we could disable post count in this forum and allow for questions to be asked again if it's been a certain amount of time since last. If the thread owner feels like it's too repetitive, they can just state that they don't want to answer since they've done it before. Right? :3

EDIT: ok, so taking back that about running out of questions and fading, because reading Sydian's many questions is really inspiring xD
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double posting to get attention lol merge them if it makes you angry

Maybe silly question but, are we allowed to post in threads that have passed on to the second page of the forum index if we find an interesting person there, or should we think that if a thread is almost a month old without the OP bumping it, they don't want people to post there anymore? I'd guess the former, but just want to make sure.

If we open this place up to non-supporters, there will be mooooooore threads so perhaps the first page should be forcibly extended to be longer than usual page indexes?
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double posting to get attention lol merge them if it makes you angry

Maybe silly question but, are we allowed to post in threads that have passed on to the second page of the forum index if we find an interesting person there, or should we think that if a thread is almost a month old without the OP bumping it, they don't want people to post there anymore? I'd guess the former, but just want to make sure.

If we open this place up to non-supporters, there will be mooooooore threads so perhaps the first page should be forcibly extended to be longer than usual page indexes?
Well for me, it's more of a "I don't want to look like an attention *****" than anything else. I haven't been as a question in about two weeks, but I still check every day (disappointment :c) and will still answer questions until the heat death of the universe. However for people who have left the forum (like Forever??) or rarely check here probably aren't willing to answer questions.

Point is, if they bumped their thread once in the past month or otherwise beg for questions -passively-, they probably (probably!) still want to answer questions. Though I can't speak for everyone.
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