Chit-Chat "L'art pour l'art" - DCC Page 26

Started by Fairy May 7th, 2013 4:47 PM
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Fairy

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So guys, if you didn't see it (which you probably did but) Aiden and I decided to change a few rules in A&D, specifically the three piece minimum and request thread rules. And I want to open up a small discussion about it to get some feedback if you all have any! You guys are the community, so if you have any comments on the rule changes or ideas about how to make A&D better, please voice them!
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So guys, if you didn't see it (which you probably did but) Aiden and I decided to change a few rules in A&D, specifically the three piece minimum and request thread rules. And I want to open up a small discussion about it to get some feedback if you all have any! You guys are the community, so if you have any comments on the rule changes or ideas about how to make A&D better, please voice them!
I saw those! I was actually seeing the amount of closed threads recently and thought you would probably crack down on those, instead of allowing them.
But when I thought about it, it makes sense. The A&D is more active than it's been in awhile, but that's only a handful of regulars. Turning away those people who probably are just new and didn't read the rules is ok, but what would be better would be if we talked to them about their request or other ways to have them be engaged in the section instead of being shut out.

At least, that was my rationale behind the rule change. To make it easier to invite more people in/not turn them away.
Which makes sense to me! Artists usually aren't going to go to the hack/game thread to see where they're needed and it makes more sense for those that need help to seek those that can give them help. We're also not active enough/inundated with requests that we would have to worry about our galleries getting pushed to the bottom of the page. Most of us update enough that it's not a problem. It might be slightly annoying, but it's one of those things you can just ignore if it is.


Oh, does this effect the rule of asking for requests within a gallery though? Was I imagining that there was a rule there in the first place? If people are able to ask for requests in the forum, they shouldn't be allowed to ask for requests in the gallery, I think. A VM or PM is more appropriate and it would be better to make a thread so they can see multiple people who are interested.




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Fairy

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The whole "allowing request/recruitment threads" thing is just something we're testing out. Right now, we're going with a more open door policy that will allow members (whose request threads would traditionally be closed) to become more integrated with the community. We're running on the idea that if we don't lock a member's thread = they may feel more inclined to post. Anyway, I hope I answer this satisfactorily!
At least, that was my rationale behind the rule change. To make it easier to invite more people in/not turn them away.
Which makes sense to me! Artists usually aren't going to go to the hack/game thread to see where they're needed and it makes more sense for those that need help to seek those that can give them help. We're also not active enough/inundated with requests that we would have to worry about our galleries getting pushed to the bottom of the page. Most of us update enough that it's not a problem. It might be slightly annoying, but it's one of those things you can just ignore if it is.
Exactly. There's very few negative side repercussions to allowing requesting threads, and with one of the possible benefits being more people included in the community, it's a small price to pay.
Oh, does this effect the rule of asking for requests within a gallery though? Was I imagining that there was a rule there in the first place? If people are able to ask for requests in the forum, they shouldn't be allowed to ask for requests in the gallery, I think. A VM or PM is more appropriate and it would be better to make a thread so they can see multiple people who are interested.
Yes and no. Shops will still exist. 9.9 times out of 10, people who post request threads aren't looking for signatures, avatars, and profile designs; the main things offered by those who run shops. In the case of other request/recruitment threads it's usually a more complicated job and the public setting is helpful. However, if they want to hire a specific artist, they can use a personal platform for that.

So as an example:
-Request thread about needing a new avatar/signature > OP is directed towards any thread denoted as a [shop] if no one takes the request first. Either the OP (hopefully) finds what they're looking for in the thread, or the thread becomes clutter because they found what they were looking for outside the thread.
-Request thread asking someone to make a Youtube banner / looking to hire a sprite artist > Thread stays open with the hopes someone will take it up.
-Request thread asking for [insert user] to make anything > OP is encouraged to contact the user specifically. Thread most likely closed.
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-Request thread about needing a new avatar/signature > OP is directed towards any thread denoted as a [shop] if no one takes the request first. Either the OP (hopefully) finds what they're looking for in the thread, or the thread becomes clutter because they found what they were looking for outside the thread.
-Request thread asking someone to make a Youtube banner / looking to hire a sprite artist > Thread stays open with the hopes someone will take it up.
-Request thread asking for [insert user] to make anything > OP is encouraged to contact the user specifically. Thread most likely closed.
I guess what I'm asking about is

-Person asks [user] to make something inside of [user's NOT!Shop Gallery].

I mean I guess it's as easy as just ignoring it or asking them to contact you outside of the the gallery if you don't want to clutter the replies on your gallery. But would something like that be discouraged or a hard no?
Such as in the beginning of my gallery I got this comment that was quickly whisked away before I saw it.


I would rather not have my gallery be a place to request things and prefer to be talked to one on one about it. Though I understand if that's a personal thing that I should just mention on my first post.




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Regarding the 3 examples to 1 change, I'm assuming it'd still be preferred to stick to galleries? The way I read it, you can make a new thread for each new piece you make. On other forums I think it's more that style, and can certainly lead to a larger number number of threads. Not saying I favor that or anything, just wondering sort of what you're looking to promote.

Fairy

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Posted January 6th, 2023
I guess what I'm asking about is

-Person asks [user] to make something inside of [user's NOT!Shop Gallery].

I mean I guess it's as easy as just ignoring it or asking them to contact you outside of the the gallery if you don't want to clutter the replies on your gallery. But would something like that be discouraged or a hard no?
Such as in the beginning of my gallery I got this comment that was quickly whisked away before I saw it.


I would rather not have my gallery be a place to request things and prefer to be talked to one on one about it. Though I understand if that's a personal thing that I should just mention on my first post.
Ohhh I see. If your thread is not a shop and someone makes a request in it we will be removing those posts. Only threads that are denoted with a [shop] prefix are allowed to have requests posted in them (or galleries like mine where I explicitly state that I am willing to take requests), and a request thread posted in the hopes of contacting many artists at once are allowed. Posting a request in a gallery, a general discussion, a resource, tutoring thread, or anything else is still against the rules- not because it's a request but because it's spam. It's just the single thread clause we're changing.

In fact, one thing I want to add is a [Shop&Gallery] prefix so people who run both in one thread, like me, can let people know they're willing to take requests. Otherwise how do you know other than reading the thread? and who does that? lol
Regarding the 3 examples to 1 change, I'm assuming it'd still be preferred to stick to galleries? The way I read it, you can make a new thread for each new piece you make. On other forums I think it's more that style, and can certainly lead to a larger number number of threads. Not saying I favor that or anything, just wondering sort of what you're looking to promote.
Preferred, yes. Making a thread for each new piece is just forum clutter and unnecessary. But for example if you were to make a thread saying "listening I'm really struggling with "x" problem with this piece and I'm not getting proper comments/critiques in my gallery can I get some feedback?" that would totally be okay. It's really more a rule for new members who only have one/two pieces to start off with, but anyone can take advantage of it should they want to. As long as it's done responsibly, as with any forum. :)
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Hi there! I guess this is my first time to come for this thread.

By the way, does anyone use pencil for drawings? I use lots of pencil with same type ( 2B )

However, my 2B pencils have different quality. Poor quality pencils are shallow and usually use for sketching the base, high quality which is very black often used for finishing the drawing so the drawing looks sharp and more detailed.

For me, pencils are easier to use and the textures are brilliant!

Fairy

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Hi there! I guess this is my first time to come for this thread.

By the way, does anyone use pencil for drawings? I use lots of pencil with same type ( 2B )

However, my 2B pencils have different quality. Poor quality pencils are shallow and usually use for sketching the base, high quality which is very black often used for finishing the drawing so the drawing looks sharp and more detailed.

For me, pencils are easier to use and the textures are brilliant!
Hey there! Welcome to the DCC, haha. :)

I use pencils all the time! Definitely among my preferred mediums. If I'm just sketching about, I'll usually just use whatever's handy (ie; mechanical pencil), but if I'm actually working on a traditional drawing, I'll use pencils of varying graphite density and such. 2B pencils are great, but you're right their quality can really depend on the brand. I'm no expert or anything, but the last time I checked Prismacolor does a good set of 4H - 4B pencils!

I feel way more physically/emotionally connected with a drawing when using a pencil/pen, as opposed to digital. Digital definitely has its advantages no doubt, but I don't know, there's something so charming about working with a good 'ol pencil for me!
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I almost always use my mechanical pencil for line art. It's been a while since I've done a complete pencil drawing, but I use one just to get the shape I'm looking for, then cover it with pen. I've never used actual art pencils, but apparently one of my friends is giving me a set of them for Christmas, so I guess I'll get the experience soon enough.
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Like the others I usually go for the mechanical type. Maybe it's partially because I don't always have a sharpener on me these days, but I genuinely like the feel of mechanical vs traditional types these day. I don't sketch pieces of art as much as I used to so that's also a reason (I usually use my pens a lot more).

As for traditional pencils, I have a high preference for the Staedtler brand (2B and 4B, but not 6B since I find that too much for me) - Usually the blue pencils with black bottom - do the red/black striped ones make a difference? idk).


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I am using Stabilo brand and it is very very black and smooth. Stadler brand is fine for me but Stabilo is much cheaper haha. ( Quite a choosy person when comparing prices)

Anyway, why not come into my drawing threads and see some of my drawings?

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I've had 3 tablets over the years - all bamboo brands. However, I've recently misplaced 2/3 of my pens in my household:( The one remaining is of my oldest tablet from about 6-7 years ago and aside that it's working find I just miss using my newer ones.


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I've had 3 tablets over the years - all bamboo brands. However, I've recently misplaced 2/3 of my pens in my household:( The one remaining is of my oldest tablet from about 6-7 years ago and aside that it's working find I just miss using my newer ones.
Remind me to chain literally everything I own to my belt to prevent this.

I think a drawing tablet would be cool, but I would have to draw more regularly before I would seriously consider getting one.
I'm kind of having the same dilemma, really.

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anyone have an opinion on the average cheap tablet? like <£50 ?

there's some intuo draw's going for about 45 atm, but that's kinda the top end of my budget. and then there's those HUION's for like ~£20 which would be great if they don't suck

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anyone have an opinion on the average cheap tablet? like <£50 ?

there's some intuo draw's going for about 45 atm, but that's kinda the top end of my budget. and then there's those HUION's for like ~£20 which would be great if they don't suck
I've heard ok things about Huion, but also good things about Monoprice tablets. I got a $10 one for my niece, and it worked pretty well, but they don't have that particular one anymore.
If it's your first tablet ever, get a cheap one off brand, it can't hurt. If you're pretty experienced and just want something you know is going to work and won't break anytime soon, get a wacom tablet. I can't verify on their smaller intuos, but the intuos pro I have works really well, and it pretty sturdy.




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hey thanks for the input :)

I was looking at a monoprice too actually! a 10x6.25" one for about £30. I was just a bit wary of something with price in the actual name, ahaha. It's really nondescript too? like, no model name or even a number as far as I could see. & reviews varied greatly

I guess I've really got to decide how much I want to spend, though the scales are tipping more and more towards the Draw.. Spending money doesn't come by often and I'd rather not end up wasting more over time on a few different one's I'm not happy with

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I heard the monoprice is pretty good- I have a few friends who use it. But the only downside I heard of is that the nibs have to be replaced frequently?? Or something about the pen needs to be replaced more often than other tablets I can't remember if it's the pen itself or what...

I've heard pretty good things about Huion too-- so I don't think you can go wrong with either option.

On this note, I know if it's out of your budget there's not much to be done, but, personally I'm of the philosophy that wacoms may be expensive as balls but are well worth the money. My $300 intuos 3 has lasted me 10 years with no nib replacement (I still have the original 2 extras it came with), no battery replacement (it doesn't have batteries to be replaced like cheaper tablets), nothing. I use it just like I did when I first took it out of the box- and it looks as if I'd just taken it out of the box too, even though I literally took it with me around campus at university at least once a week.

Also for the people who aren't sure whether to get a tablet because they might not draw often enough... At first I wasn't a very serious artist either- I hardly used my tablet the first six months, maybe used it like once a month at best LOL... but I find that having the tablet is rather motivation to therefore use it. I was drawing almost everyday with it by the third year. But even then, I wasn't actually drawing, it was more like just coloring. I still drew everything on paper and scanned it in- and then used the tablet to color since I wasn't used to the lines that are produced digitally vs. traditionally. It wasn't until like, the 4th or 5th year that I moved to pure digital after forcing myself to sit down and make something digitally from start to finish. And $20 is really not that bad even if you end up not using it much...! (Also spriting is 1000x easier with a tablet, in my opinion. I can't do pixels with my mouse anymore, it's too cumbersome LOL)

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I logged off the GT Skype and had shut down my email for more processing, then I saw that I actually got an email interested in an art commission! It's entirely possible they're just asking for prices from a lot of artists and I won't fit, but I was really surprised and excited!

I know a lot of people here are upset when no one comments in their art threads on here, and putting your art up in real life is scary too, but remember that even if they haven't said anything people are still looking at your art!! It's really hard to remember that sometimes when it feels like you're just senting your art out into a void, but people are looking, and even may appreciate it. : )




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Well i agree with you. At first I also felt a little worry when no one comment my arts. But later on I just leave it because people have their rights to make their comment if they want. We just cannot force them to comment the arts.

Plus I just want to ask is my image link at my signature broken?

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I almost prefer people not to comment on my art because I'm terrible at taking criticism and I get really nervous and unmotivated when people compliment my art.

Plus I just want to ask is my image link at my signature broken?
I think so. Is it supposed to have a gray circle with a dash through the middle?

*doesn't keep up with art trends, kind of just pays attention to GFX groups and whatever's on danbooru*
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Fairy

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Plus I just want to ask is my image link at my signature broken?
Spoiler:

^That's what I see, jsyk!

I haven't had any time for art lately and it makes me sad. :<

Hopefully when school is done and the holidays are behind me I'll have the time and motivation.

Also welcome to PC Reunilu! :)) I know how you feel about critiques sometimes. I had a habit of taking it a little too seriously and playing the "compare game" (still do sometimes! but i think everyone feels a little insecure about their art now and again so.)
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Also welcome to PC Reunilu! :)) I know how you feel about critiques sometimes. I had a habit of taking it a little too seriously and playing the "compare game" (still do sometimes! but i think everyone feels a little insecure about their art now and again so.)
Thanks!

Critiques have been weird for me. I'm the only GFX artist in my more familiar community for two years, so I couldn't and can't get any critique. I'm kinda forced to play the compare game so I could improve myself. ^ ^;
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