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Old July 17th, 2013 (5:03 AM).
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    Wasn't tough for me! Especially his Pikachu. One earth power from my Nidoqueen and it fainted.
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    Old July 18th, 2013 (6:40 PM).
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      I was nevous my first time round' with him, so i grinded ALLOT. and i got my pokemon to lvl 80 each, and it was a breeze. ~blu
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      Old July 22nd, 2013 (8:01 AM).
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        Well ,he has always been the best trainer in the game ,without lv100 pokemon so I think he wasn't too strong!
        Also ,IMO ,when you defeat Snorlax ,the job is almost done when you have the right pokemon (for example use a Typhlosion against Venusaur)
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        Old July 22nd, 2013 (11:51 AM).
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          He was a good match at the end, but he wasn't overpowered... I liked fighting him! :D
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          Old July 22nd, 2013 (12:03 PM).
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          Honestly I think he was; for the level of Pokemon that we could only grind against it was quite unfair. Level 50 was around the highest and that's unfair imo; if either Red was lowered by 10 levels or the Pokemon in the area were increased by 9-14 levels then it would be fair.
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          Old July 22nd, 2013 (12:19 PM).
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            Wasn't tough for me! Especially his Pikachu. One earth power from my Nidoqueen and it fainted.
            I remember using a Nidoqueen too, to beat his Pikachu. xD

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            Honestly I think he was; for the level of Pokemon that we could only grind against it was quite unfair. Level 50 was around the highest and that's unfair imo; if either Red was lowered by 10 levels or the Pokemon in the area were increased by 9-14 levels then it would be fair.
            I remember using the gymleader rechallenges in HGSS to grind to beat Red. Yeah, they were set around at lv50ish; it would have been nice if, after beating their rematches a couple of times, they would give you the option to move up the difficulty (without topping lv70.)
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            Old July 22nd, 2013 (7:21 PM).
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              I remember using the gymleader rechallenges in HGSS to grind to beat Red.
              I'v been grinding for like 4 days on HeartGold using this method! After beating Red, I'm trading the Pokemon I used to my SoulSilver so I can defeat him there as well... I can't wait to get this over and done with so I can move on to the weather trio! haha
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              Old July 23rd, 2013 (7:24 PM).
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                I don't think so. I can only imagine red as that one trainer who finished kanto quest, went to train in johto, then back to kanto, and finally ended up in mt. silver. I know it's quite a lot of training, but that's my only explanation for his high leveled pokemon. Steven in emerald, also served a similar purpose. and Thankfully, like all mentioned above, his pikachu didn't carry surf.
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                Old July 25th, 2013 (3:08 PM).
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                Not at all. He was a good and honest challenge, and I liked that.

                I always thought he was cute, too.
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                Old July 26th, 2013 (7:47 AM).
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                Not at all! He's strong enough for a final boss and I think more of the Pokemon games need to follow that route. It's a nice way to get us to train and keep interested in the game past the Elite Four and final rival battle.
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                Old July 26th, 2013 (5:45 PM).
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                  Red was my favorite boss because he was tough and used Pokemon no other trainers in the game used very often. There was an aura of mystery around him that also made it enjoyable to fight him. I don't think I've ever fought Red and thought "Gosh, he's too hard!". I think I've fought him and thought "What a challenge!"
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                    No, I don't think he's overpowered. Snorlax has a lol moveset and the three starters aren't that tough to beat. Pikachu is easily handled by something with Earthquake. Lapras is IMO the toughest one to beat thanks to its massive bulk.
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                      If you don't prepare properly of course Red is going to be a problem then again you can say that for just about any major trainer now.
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                        I think some parts of the games and its overpowered but then again its kinda fun to play
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                        He isnt. Even tho he's my fav character in Pokemon i dont think he's overpowered. I think I beat him on my 7, 8th try.
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                          No. I actually wish he was harder. He would be fun if he had all level 100 pokemon with perfect EV's&IV's.
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                          Old July 27th, 2013 (3:25 PM).
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                            No, I don't think so. I beat him very easily and my pokemon were all at lower levels than his were. I was expecting more of a challenge with Red, but I was disappointed honestly.
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                              nope not one bit it's fun and challenging actually but of course his pkmn are high leveled since he's been training that long
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                                I didn't have too much trouble with him despite the levels. Pikachu goes down pretty easily, though the Light Ball he's holding in Gen4 does make him a minor threat. Charizard, Lapras, and Blastoise can all be taken out with an Electric type, and Venusaur with an Ice or Fire type. The Hail in Gen4 can make things annoying, but since Lapras is his only Ice Pokemon, it doesn't do his team much good either. He's challenging compared to the other standard Trainers in the game, but it's nothing like the Battle Frontier.
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                                  No. I actually wish he was harder. He would be fun if he had all level 100 pokemon with perfect EV's&IV's.
                                  I think if he had all level 100's with perfect EV & IV's.. he would be near impossible.
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                                    I think he's a bit harder to beat in the remakes than in GSC. Maybe that's because I actually haven't managed to beat him yet and I just don't have the patience to train up my Pokemon to do so... lol
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                                      His levels were just right he was ten times harder in the original g/s/c just for the fact you didnt see it coming. i went nuts when i saw i was gonna battle against ash ( since the original red is ash ). I feel they should of switched his pokemon a little bit not just giving him lapras because with so many newer pokemon that the remakes have plus the fact you knew he was coming and what pokemon he had even with the level upgrade it was easy
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                                        The music for this battle was legendary.
                                        I really wish his Pikachu was stronger. It gave me a run for my money because I had 2/3 flying and water types on me. It wasn't too hard a fight, though tit was the first time my pokemon fainted in a long time.
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                                        I think it was a fair challenge. Even though for me, he was probably the most difficult trainer in the games, it was a challenge that was worth completing.
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                                        Old August 9th, 2013 (2:59 PM).
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                                          He's your rival. In the time you took to get there, you should have pretty strong pokemons too
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