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Old June 22nd, 2013 (5:56 AM).
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    Originally Posted by Kura View Post
    Hahaha, and what makes you think that all that doesn't happen in the military, too?

    I don't think I'm missing the bigger picture at all. I'm not alive to be someone's pawn. Both prison and in the army you will be a changed person when you go home, but with the army you may not even have a chance to go home. Why would I fight for a country that puts this restriction on me in the first place? Fighting should be choice, and choice only.

    I agree with what you say but unfortunately we don't quite live in an idealistic world. Conscription is generally utilized as more of a last resort scheme to make up for a lack of numbers. I believe the main reason why the Government enforces such a harsh ultimatum with regards to conscription is to try and ensure they get a good amount of people added to the army. It's not ideal, no but what happens if people are given the true freedom of choice and the result is that not enough people are conscripted into the army? With lower numbers, there'll be a much higher chance of additional casualties, the country is more likely to out rightly lose the war and if the country gets invaded, there's the possibility that many many many more people - civilians - will get killed and/or raped etc. Ultimately, I believe a Government has the best interest in the majority of the people with regards to conscription rules.

    A friend of mine died young, my grandfather suffered from mental illness from it, my great uncle was crippled for the rest of his life.
    So sure, if all of you think it's just about going to camp and doing a few pushups then you can go and do that and I won't stop you. I know it's not just about that either, but like I said.. it should be choice. I've never been personally, but all I've ever known from war is seeing all the pain, suffering, rape, brutality, and nameless death.
    Someone I know recently got married, and then her husband had to go for duty. They are putting their life on hold.. for what? Is it really for the lives for others? How? Maybe you believe that, but I don't. What exactly is he doing? I could understand if it's for a mission in Africa or something.. but it's not. It's routine ********.

    The government doesn't care. Why do you think they cut corners in veteran hospitals? My ex's uncle had cancer (from fighting in vietnam) got transferred from one to a public hospital with better resources, and was getting better. As soon as he was, they shoved him back in the vet hospital. Where there weren't enough nurses and had to wait 2 hours for a simple glass of water. It's BS. They don't care. He ended up dying there over an infection that spread because there wasn't enough staff. Good job, America.

    The Government operates on pretty tight budgets and we could argue that their money should be distributed more effectively. The Government cuts corners in some areas because they primarily need the money elsewhere, not because they don't care about the majority of the people. It's possible that they moved your ex's uncle back into the other hospital because someone else needed to take his spot and spaces / resources are limited. But yeah, waiting two hours for a glass of water is pretty ****ing ********, not gonna lie.

    A good friend of mine's ex's brother changed his mind and didn't want to serve. But he was the breadwinner in the family. They threw him in jail anyways and the ex had to struggle to support his 2 younger brothers, putting school on hold to try and find work. Why is this penalty in place??? How can anyone say that the government care about its people???

    I'm rambling now because I'm frustrated.

    Sorry if I offended anyone who's in the army now, but all I've ever seen from it is the negativity that comes from being enlisted. I don't actually know anyone who has finished serving who didn't die, or hasn't suffered in some way. Please enlighten me if you have a good story that you've experienced personally, I actually NEED some good feedback for it, so please share.

    It's a lot easier to see the negativity of things when they are far more blatant than any potential positive effects that conscription causes. This is why I claimed that you were missing the bigger picture because you hold the believe that the conscription process is completely bad, which is partially due to the misfortunes of your friends / family. You're (understandably) allowing your judgment to be skewered by these experiences, which can make you disregard / overlook some of the theoretical aspects of things.

    TL;DR= I have my reasons for not wanting to ever join the army so don't patronize me and tell me I'm "missing the bigger picture" when I've had my fair share of seeing what the army can do to someone you love first-hand. Plus, forcing you to fight to keep themselves a "free" country sounds pretty contradictory to me. No thanks.

    Originally Posted by Harlequin View Post
    Have you seen any war movies???? The joker always dies!!!!! They may be the best bud of the main character but they always end up dying!!! I don't want to be the reason the main character goes through massive character development for the benefit of the story, I want to live!!
    Or how about! OK, this is gonna sound crazy, but just hear me out on this. How about you play the role as the joker AND THE MAIN CHARACTER! HOLY **** THAT BASICALLY MEANS YOU DON'T DIE! And you can have some really serious best bud who goes and dies and therefore makes you go through the massive character development instead! YOU GET TO LIVE AND MAKE THE JOKES, THIS IS A NO LOSE SCENARIO, WHAT THE **** ARE YOU WAITING FOR!
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    Old June 22nd, 2013 (8:01 AM).
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      In answer to the thread title: the Nigerian Lottery. As for the choice I'd make, I'd actually not go into any of the forces, but instead just flee the country. There is no way I'd go to jail over something like that. Like Kura said, Fighting should be a choice, and choice only.
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      Old June 22nd, 2013 (8:17 AM).
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        Originally Posted by Drakow View Post
        Or how about! OK, this is gonna sound crazy, but just hear me out on this. How about you play the role as the joker AND THE MAIN CHARACTER! HOLY **** THAT BASICALLY MEANS YOU DON'T DIE! And you can have some really serious best bud who goes and dies and therefore makes you go through the massive character development instead! YOU GET TO LIVE AND MAKE THE JOKES, THIS IS A NO LOSE SCENARIO, WHAT THE **** ARE YOU WAITING FOR!
        Anyways, I still stand by my choice, "bigger picture" or not.
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        Old June 22nd, 2013 (1:45 PM).
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          I'd go, but I wouldn't like it too much. Thankfully, once I hit 25, I'm no longer able to be drafted! :D Woo!
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          Old June 22nd, 2013 (4:51 PM).
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          Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru View Post
          I'm legitimately considering joining the military right now, so probably not.
          What service and/or occupation are you considering? And where does your choice come from, if I'm not pressing too hard?
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          Old June 22nd, 2013 (11:00 PM).
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          If I was drafted into the army/navy, etc., it would probably have to be doing something out of combat, as I don't think they'd want me getting anyone into danger just by putting me out there. Servicing military vehicles? Sure. Educating new recruits? Sounds good. Putting a rifle in my hands? I'd probably get myself killed faster than I could figure out how to shoot the thing.
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          Sure, I'd have no problem being conscripted, in fact i'd volunteer, I'm in the cadets right now as a matter of fact. The Army would have to turn me into a real man though, right now i'm just a nerdy white kid who likes video games too much and would have no chance of passing physical fitness requirements lol. I suck...
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          Old June 23rd, 2013 (7:13 AM).
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          Nick, you're not joining the military. I won't allow it. Friends don't let friends join the army.
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          Old June 24th, 2013 (12:55 PM).
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          I honestly want nothing to do with the military or the government. As soon as I'm 18 I will be going somewhere else... :\

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          Old June 24th, 2013 (10:09 PM).
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            Old June 24th, 2013 (11:46 PM).
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            I probably wouldn't want to go...I've heard of the horrifying things that happen during wars, and I'd rather be in jail than suffer a lifetime of disgusting and horrible thoughts..
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            Old June 25th, 2013 (6:16 AM).
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              I WILL FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT! I SHALL NOT PREVAIL! I shall rise, fight, lose, then rise again! My country is what I would serve. Coughing up blood, losing a leg, all that fear disappears when I think of what I would be defending. The Aborigines, my family, my friends and the animals which makes Australia what it is!
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