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What's a good defensive/support set for Fairy Arceus?
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What's a good defensive/support set for Fairy Arceus?
Defensive Fairy Arceus; this one provides Defog support if you need it:
-Judgment
-Defog
-Will-o-Wisp/Thunder Wave
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/144 Def/112 Spe
Item: Pixie Plate

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What's a good defensive/support set for Fairy Arceus?
It is kind of hard to tell whether we would use it over Leftovers Arceus, but let's give it a shot.

Arceus @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Level: 50
EVs: 172 Spd / 252 HP / 84 Def
Bold Nature
- Judgment
- Recover
- Roar / Defog
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic

Being immune to Draco Meteor is surely a huge perk. This speed allows you to outpace Kyurem-W, the rest it put into defense. You might want to avoid picking both Toxic and Roar for obvious reasons.
If you decide to run Flamethrower or Fire Blast, put at least 220 into speed in order to outrun Banded Genesect who might ruin your day. That amount is also enough in order to beat Palkia. Othere options are obviously Perish Song instead of Roar or Stealth Rocks.

PlatinumDude, your amount of speed seems to be a bit random. You barely loose to all the base 90-er, so we don't see the point of investing in speed at all.

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It is kind of hard to tell whether we would use it over Leftovers Arceus, but let's give it a shot.

Arceus @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
Level: 50
EVs: 172 Spd / 252 HP / 84 Def
Bold Nature
- Judgment
- Recover
- Roar / Defog
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic

Being immune to Draco Meteor is surely a huge perk. This speed allows you to outpace Kyurem-W, the rest it put into defense. You might want to avoid picking both Toxic and Roar for obvious reasons.
If you decide to run Flamethrower or Fire Blast, put at least 220 into speed in order to outrun Banded Genesect who might ruin your day. That amount is also enough in order to beat Palkia. Othere options are obviously Perish Song instead of Roar or Stealth Rocks.

PlatinumDude, your amount of speed seems to be a bit random. You barely loose to all the base 90-er, so we don't see the point of investing in speed at all.
Timid + 112 Speed EVs lets Fairy Arceus outspeed things up to Jolly Garchomp, which in turn, lets it outspeed Palkia, as well as the many base 95/99 Speed Pokemon like Xerneas, Yveltal, Rayquaza and White Kyurem.

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Right, we have read the wrong nature. It looked a bit weird because Arceus is capable of outrunning Jolly Garchomp with a neutral nature just fine. Either Timid or Bold could do the job.
Anyway, Garchomp is probably one of the lesser concerns considering how underused it is. At least we consider it underused when it appears on less than 5% of the teams. Even then, it mostly is a Scarf-Revengekiller because if its speed and is a physical attacker, ergo not very threatening thanks to WoW (does 38% at best).

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i'm working on a mega kangaskhan for my competitive team.
I managed to get an adamant nature and 31 ivs in everything except special attack.
where should I put the EVs? im thinking attack, and something else.


speed came to mind first but should I do hp or defense instead? what's your opinion?
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I've been wanting to do Talonflame for a long time now, and ended up with a few move sets:
(I don't really care about items, EV spreads or abilities at the moment. I will use whatever complements the moves)
-Brave Bird
-Flare Blitz
-Steel Wing
-Roost

-WoW
-Tailwind
-Roost
-U-turn/Brave Bird

Obviously, the first is a more late-game sweeper, the second support. I know not many people are using Steel Wing, but I wanted to try it out for Fairy coverage. For the second, I am liking the first three moves, but can't decide on the last slot. U-turn would be nice to keep momentum, but priority, thanks to Gale Wings, in Brave Bird is quite appealing. Any thoughts?
Wait... If there was a move like Flying Press that did Grass and Water damage, would that mean that Rock/Ground Pokemon would take 8x damage...? O.o

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i'm working on a mega kangaskhan for my competitive team.
I managed to get an adamant nature and 31 ivs in everything except special attack.
where should I put the EVs? im thinking attack, and something else.


speed came to mind first but should I do hp or defense instead? what's your opinion?
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Just use max Attack, max Speed. Jolly is worth considering for the extra speed boost.
I've been wanting to do Talonflame for a long time now, and ended up with a few move sets:
(I don't really care about items, EV spreads or abilities at the moment. I will use whatever complements the moves)
-Brave Bird
-Flare Blitz
-Steel Wing
-Roost

-WoW
-Tailwind
-Roost
-U-turn/Brave Bird

Obviously, the first is a more late-game sweeper, the second support. I know not many people are using Steel Wing, but I wanted to try it out for Fairy coverage. For the second, I am liking the first three moves, but can't decide on the last slot. U-turn would be nice to keep momentum, but priority, thanks to Gale Wings, in Brave Bird is quite appealing. Any thoughts?
Don't even think about using Steel Wing on Talonflame. Tyranitar can take one and Talonflame still can't do much to Heatran; it should just let teammates handle them. Talonflame's main niche is revenge killing with Brave Bird and your second set doesn't even accomplish that. Here are the superior sets for Talonflame:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Roost/Tailwind
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Will-o-Wisp/Taunt/Substitute
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

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[QUOTE=PlatinumDude;8236641]Just use max Attack, max Speed. Jolly is worth considering for the extra speed boost.

ok thanks, I will consider jolly as I think I have some jolly dittoes layin around.
on the topic of mega kangaskhan, what is your opinion on moveset?
I was thinking:
fake out
power up punch
earthquake or maybe bulldoze? it would lower speed twice
dizzy punch


(is return still viable?)
I also thought about giga impact since it will hit twice and recharge once which seem pretty nice

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ok thanks, I will consider jolly as I think I have some jolly dittoes layin around.
on the topic of mega kangaskhan, what is your opinion on moveset?
I was thinking:
fake out
power up punch
earthquake or maybe bulldoze? it would lower speed twice
dizzy punch


(is return still viable?)
I also thought about giga impact since it will hit twice and recharge once which seem pretty nice
Don't think about Giga Impact. It's not worth using because the charge-up turn is better spent on another attack. Don't use Fake Out and Power-Up Punch together; this leaves Kangaskhan with a bit of 4-moveslot syndrome. Earthquake is the superior option over Bulldoze because of its greater power and Mega Khan can take care of faster opponents with Sucker Punch. Return >>> Dizzy Punch; relying on confusion is unreliable:
-Fake Out/Power-Up Punch
-Return
-Sucker Punch
-Earthquake/Crunch
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy

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Don't think about Giga Impact. It's not worth using because the charge-up turn is better spent on another attack. Don't use Fake Out and Power-Up Punch together; this leaves Kangaskhan with a bit of 4-moveslot syndrome. Earthquake is the superior option over Bulldoze because of its greater power and Mega Khan can take care of faster opponents with Sucker Punch. Return >>> Dizzy Punch; relying on confusion is unreliable:
-Fake Out/Power-Up Punch
-Return
-Sucker Punch
-Earthquake/Crunch
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
o man, this was very helpful, ty dude.
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Skarmory is recommended to run 224 HP to regain Sturdy after 2 turns of leftovers... why does this amount of EVs make this work? How many EVs I'll need for the same effect at lv50? Are there any online sources which teach this? I feel like there should be yet I can't seem to find one.

Is there a magic number for Regenerator?

Edit: I tried experimenting on showdown and I'm guessing its 212 HP EVs, such that its HP = integer*16 + 9 ? @[email protected] If so why would that be the case?
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Skarmory is recommended to run 224 HP to regain Sturdy after 2 turns of leftovers... why does this amount of EVs make this work? How many EVs I'll need for the same effect at lv50? Are there any online sources which teach this? I feel like there should be yet I can't seem to find one.

Is there a magic number for Regenerator?

Edit: I tried experimenting on showdown and I'm guessing its 212 HP EVs, such that its HP = integer*16 + 9 ? @[email protected] If so why would that be the case?
167 HP; at 167 HP you take and recover from

167 / 8 = 20.875, 20 damage
167 / 16 = 10.4375, 10 damage

The result is

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef
Impish Nature

Note: Maybe it is useful to decrease the speed IVs to 19 IV in order to underspeed Scizor which allows you to Roost without getting Superpowered while at the same time still being faster than Tyranitar.


Ignore Regenerator, there are no damage dealing hazards that deal 1/3 to health. There is a situational case with subs, but give us a bit more time to explain.

If you want to generate at least as much HP in three switches as with four subs, then your HP number needs to be 3 points higher or lower than a multiple of 12. Nothing new, expect for the multiple of 12.
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167 HP; at 167 HP you take and recover from

167 / 8 = 20.875, 20 damage
167 / 16 = 10.4375, 10 damage.
That makes sense, how two turns of 10 HP recovery would make up for 20 HP taken. :) What's the easiest approach to figure this out? Say if I were to ever want to figure it out for any other Sturdy user who takes 1/8 damage from SR.
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That makes sense, how two turns of 10 HP recovery would make up for 20 HP taken. :) What's the easiest approach to figure this out? Say if I were to ever want to figure it out for any other Sturdy user who takes 1/8 damage from SR.
Writing an algorithm, we assume. I am currenty out of time but we will come back in seven hours. Maybe you will find it out in the meantime, otherwise we will do it.

Got it - we did it with the algorithm. What is the result of (HP / 16) * 2 >= (HP / 8) when HP is an integer?

HPoptimal = 16 * x + b
b = [0, 7]

In other words: The HP needs to be a multiple of 16, a multiple of 16 plus 7 or something inbetween.

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What's a good set for a mixed Tyranitar?
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What's a good set for a mixed Tyranitar?
For VGC? The normal mixed Tyranitar does not need any attack investment in order to OHKO 252/0 Talonflame in Doubles with Rock Slide. Without a Life Orb however you need at least 26 IV in Atk.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb / Weakness Policy
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature
- Rock Slide
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam / Fire Blast
- Protect

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For VGC? The normal mixed Tyranitar does not need any attack investment in order to OHKO 252/0 Talonflame in Doubles with Rock Slide. Without a Life Orb however you need at least 26 IV in Atk.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb / Weakness Policy
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature
- Rock Slide
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam / Fire Blast
- Protect
Sorry, I meant for Singles. I probably should've said that....
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Sorry, I meant for Singles. I probably should've said that....
Nothing too fancy, just run Stone Edge instead of Rock Slide for a fast OHKO on Thundurus and Low Kick or Fire Blast in the place of Protect. Crunch can be used over Dark Pulse for more damage against Espeon and a clean OHKO against Latios.

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Best EV spread for a Relaxed Amoonguss? Can never remember if you boost the nature-boosted stat or the other one in the case of Def/Sp. Def. Basically for VGC, I want to be able to take as many hits as possible, so I guess prevalence of physical/special moves in VGC could be a factor.

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Best EV spread for a Relaxed Amoonguss? Can never remember if you boost the nature-boosted stat or the other one in the case of Def/Sp. Def. Basically for VGC, I want to be able to take as many hits as possible, so I guess prevalence of physical/special moves in VGC could be a factor.
Specially defensive Amoonguss is preferred, but you could go physically defensive to handle the majority of Fighting moves:
-Spore
-Rage Powder
-Giga Drain
-Protect
Nature: Calm/Sassy
EVs: 252 HP/76 Def/180 SDef
Item: Black Sludge/Rocky Helmet

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Best moveset for brave scrafty and aerodactyl?
Brave Scrafty only sees use in VGC Trick Room teams; otherwise, here's the best set for it for singles:
-Dragon Dance
-Knock Off
-High Jump Kick/Drain Punch
-Zen Headbutt/Poison Jab
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Shed Skin/Moxie

Aerodactyl:
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake/Fire Fang
-Ice Fang/Aqua Tail
-Aerial Ace/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Aerodactylite