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Should I keep my Cubone with Rock Head? Normally I would always keep this ability, but it can only learn ONE move that Rock Head benefits, and it's a normal type move so I was very much looking at Battle Armor to prevent critical hits, but then also if I decide to get rid of Double Edge for a typed move once the move tutors in ORAS come out, I can still do that. I'm very unsure what to do in this situation, I already bred my cub one with Rock Head and the correct IV spread and egg moves, but I wonder if I should keep breeding for one with Battle Armor too? Thanks for opinions
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Should I keep my Cubone with Rock Head? Normally I would always keep this ability, but it can only learn ONE move that Rock Head benefits, and it's a normal type move so I was very much looking at Battle Armor to prevent critical hits, but then also if I decide to get rid of Double Edge for a typed move once the move tutors in ORAS come out, I can still do that. I'm very unsure what to do in this situation, I already bred my cub one with Rock Head and the correct IV spread and egg moves, but I wonder if I should keep breeding for one with Battle Armor too? Thanks for opinions
Rock Head is preferred if you use Double-Edge. In OR/AS, there are no Double-Edge variants, sadly.

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I've bred a couple of machops with quick guard and some other egg moves, and I noticed that even when serebii's description says it fails when used in succession:
The user protects itself and its allies from priority moves. If used in succession, its chance of failing rises.Machop with no guard is able to spam quick guard without it failing. Or at least, I was able to use quick guard 12 times in a row against a wild pokemon.
Does no guard affect the chances of quick guard missing, or is there some other reason I didn't see that's causing it not to fail?

By the way, I tried to use protect several times in a row, which could have been a lot more interesting, and sadly it didn't work :/.
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I've bred a couple of machops with quick guard and some other egg moves, and I noticed that even when serebii's description says it fails when used in succession: The user protects itself and its allies from priority moves. If used in succession, its chance of failing rises.Machop with no guard is able to spam quick guard without it failing. Or at least, I was able to use quick guard 12 times in a row against a wild pokemon. Does no guard affect the chances of quick guard missing, or is there some other reason I didn't see that's causing it not to fail? By the way, I tried to use protect several times in a row, which could have been a lot more interesting, and sadly it didn't work :/.
Gen VI changed the Quick Guard mechanic slightly--you can now use it in succession without any chance of failure. However, using it still decreases the chance of success of other moves with a Protect-like mechanic.

Note: I've moved your post into the help & questions thread because it's just a question and doesn't actually promote any discussion. Cheers! Oh, and sorry about the notifications, haha

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I'd say don't bother with that Diancie, as its Mega form is the sole reason it's even used in the first place. The thing about Mega Diancie is that it's significantly faster than its regular form, while maintaining decent bulk. It also has Magic Bounce so it isn't screwed over by Thunder Wave, Will-o-Wisp or Toxic, among other statuses.

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I kind of wish I got a Hasty or Naive Nature one now. lol

But I might lean on it as a special defense tank, idk I just don't want to give up on it. Lol
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Hey guys, I've been playing Pokemon all my life but this is the first time that I'm seriously focusing on EV training and IV breeding.

After an hour of breeding, I have successfully breeded a Froakie with 5 perfect IV's, all of them except Special Defense. His nature is Modest and I don't plan on increasing his Attack stat. After I calculated the Special Defense IV's, it turned out that the highest IV it can go to is 2!

What should I do? Should I just continue to increase it's EV points?


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Hey guys, I've been playing Pokemon all my life but this is the first time that I'm seriously focusing on EV training and IV breeding.

After an hour of breeding, I have successfully breeded a Froakie with 5 perfect IV's, all of them except Special Defense. His nature is Modest and I don't plan on increasing his Attack stat. After I calculated the Special Defense IV's, it turned out that the highest IV it can go to is 2!

What should I do? Should I just continue to increase it's EV points?
FYI, Timid is the preferred nature on Greninja, as with Modest, stuff like [email protected] and Alakazam outspeed it. You can use Naive, however, if you plan on giving Greninja Gunk Shot and/or Low Kick in OR/AS. IMO, defensive IVs don't matter on a frail Pokemon like Greninja.

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Let's try the battle center, now...

Real quick, do you guys think this is worth it? Would it be worth the effort to EV train my Avalugg, whose DEF stat is 184 but whose SP. DEF stat is only 46 (look at Bulbapedia), in SP. DEF and breed her to have a personality that boosts SP. DEF at the cost of speed? Or is that 46 just too little to work with?

Basically: if a stat is under 50-60, is it worth it to try and raise it?

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Let's try the battle center, now...

Real quick, do you guys think this is worth it? Would it be worth the effort to EV train my Avalugg, whose DEF stat is 184 but whose SP. DEF stat is only 46 (look at Bulbapedia), in SP. DEF and breed her to have a personality that boosts SP. DEF at the cost of speed? Or is that 46 just too little to work with?

Basically: if a stat is under 50-60, is it worth it to try and raise it?
Careful or Impish should be the nature to use for Avalugg, since its Special Attack is terrible.

Anyway, regarding Careful vs. Impish, the latter lets Avalugg tank as many physical hits as possible, while the former lets it take special attacks a bit better, but not by much.

For your second question, let's look at Crawdaunt. It has a base Speed of 55, but it maxes that stat out with an Adamant nature so it can outspeed as many walls as possible to make its wallbreaking capabilities easier. That, and it's frail anyways.

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I did wonder trade recently and got lv100 shiny pikachu. I need a recommended moveset, if i should change ability and item.

Nature:Jolly
Characteristic: Alert to Sounds
Hp:212
Atk:209
Df:116
SpAtk:95
SpDf:136
Speed:306
Ability:Lightning Rod

Current Moves are Iron Tail, Volt switch, Dig, and volt tackle. Item is Light ball.

Not sure if it makes a difference but should i evolve him into Raichu?

Thanks

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I did wonder trade recently and got lv100 shiny pikachu. I need a recommended moveset, if i should change ability and item.

Nature:Jolly
Characteristic: Alert to Sounds
Hp:212
Atk:209
Df:116
SpAtk:95
SpDf:136
Speed:306
Ability:Lightning Rod

Current Moves are Iron Tail, Volt switch, Dig, and volt tackle. Item is Light ball.

Not sure if it makes a difference but should i evolve him into Raichu?

Thanks
You can't change the ability of a Pokemon. It's better for a Pikachu to go special to get better usage out of Lightning Rod.

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I recently obtained an x cartridge from a friend that contained his collection of dittos that he used for breeding. Long story short, I'm wondering what a good moveset for a physical zangoose could be.
Zangoose's best set involves abusing Toxic Orb to power up its attacks thanks to Toxic Boost, which increases the user's Attack when poisoned:
-Facade
-Close Combat
-Knock Off
-Quick Attack/Swords Dance
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EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
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How does Knock Off work in regards to the Blue Orb and Red Orb? Are they treated like Mega Stones, or are they treated like other items?
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It wouldn't matter as the stones take immediate effect as soon as battle starts. It seems unlikely that groudon and Kyogre would revert back if knockoff was used
Are you sure about this? I think that the Red and Blue Orbs behave like Mega Stones; they can't be taken away from the holder.

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Are you sure about this? I think that the Red and Blue Orbs behave like Mega Stones; they can't be taken away from the holder.
Positive. As soon as groudon/Kyogre come into battle and they have the orb, they go to primal form immediately. I haven't ever tried using knockoff on a primal one, but it seems unlikely to work

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Since I brought my Blaziken to Y, I tried Mega-evolving him, and while it was nice, it interferes with his Acrobatics move. I'm not a competitive player, so I'm good with the moveset he has now, I just want to know which is better: Full-potential Acrobatics, or Mega-ing? Is there some formula about his attack increase when mega evolving compared to Acrobatic's normal increase?
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Acrobatics isn't worth using as much as it used to because Flying Gem is unavailable in Gen VI. Unfortunately, Mega Stones aren't consumable items, so you're better off Mega Evolving Blaziken ASAP instead of trying to abuse Acrobatics.

Here's the standard (Mega) Blaziken set if you're curious:
-Flare Blitz
-High Jump Kick/Low Kick
-Knock Off/Protect
-Swords Dance/Protect
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Blazikenite/Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost

Acrobatics isn't listed anywhere on this set because Blaziken isn't the kind of Pokemon that relies on consumable items to be effective.

Here are some calcs to show that Acrobatics isn't useful on Mega Blaziken, as its Mega Stone remains even after Mega Evolution:

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 262-310 (74.6 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 285-336 (81.1 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 175-207 (49.8 - 58.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 162-192 (46.1 - 54.7%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO

All damage calculations done with Pokemon Showdown's damage calculator

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I am thinking of getting a clefable, but I really don't know what moves/ability/evs to run.

Excluding softboiled, at least since I have no access to gen 3 move tutors.
I'm thinking cleric support mostly, so maybe wish/aromatherapy then moonblast/stealth rock?