12 confirmed dead in Washington, DC Navy Yard shooting

Started by Livewire September 16th, 2013 7:35 AM
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http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/543/

At least one gunman opened fire at the U.S. Navy Yard in Washington, D.C, this morning, killing several people and injuring others, authorities said.

A D.C. police spokesman said five people had been shot at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters, including a D.C. police officer and one other law enforcement officer. The Navy did not elaborate.

NBC News, citing a senior naval officer at the Navy Yard, said at least 12 people had been shot, with four killed and eight wounded. This could not be independently confirmed.

A Navy official told Reuters a suspected shooter has been contained, adding that several people died and several others were injured. The total number of victims was unclear, he said on condition of anonymity.

Another Navy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said more than one shooter may have been involved. The Washington Post reported that there were several shooters.

At least one shooter was killed by law enforcement officials two hours after the rampage began, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing "senior law enforcement officials."

The Navy said in a statement the shooting took place at the heavily guarded headquarters, where about 3,000 people work.

Dozens of police and emergency vehicles surrounded the complex in southeast Washington, which is about a mile south of the U.S. Capitol, local media reported.

Helicopters circled the headquarters with some touching down on the building's roof, according to a live feed by Washington's WJLA TV.

A Washington police spokesman said the first reports of shots were received at 8:36 a.m. EDT.

A White House official said President Barack Obama had been briefed on the shooting. The shooting briefly shut down flights at Reagan National Airport.

The Navy Yard dates to the 18th century and is the oldest Navy installation. It houses a museum, the residence of the chief of naval operations and is responsible for weapons development, among other functions.

Several workers interviewed by CNN said they were at their desks or meetings when fire alarms went off and fire wardens told them to evacuate the building. Some said they were leaving when they saw a gunman who turned and fired on them, but missed.

One worker told CNN said he was arriving at the building shortly after 8 a.m. when he suddenly heard "bangs" and then saw people running outside. He said people were yelling, "A shooting!" and told him there was a gunman inside.
Yet another shooting rampage, 4 dead and 8 injured so far. This is still a developing story though.

EDIT: shooter has been 'neutralized', per federal agents. And we are sitting on 12 fatalities.

Yet another shooting spree. Do you think this will re-ignite the gun control debate? Should it, or should the politicization of tragedies like this be avoided, out of respect for the slain?

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I don't think it will re-ignite a gun debate. If they do, its going to fail like the last one. What they can do, is limit the people that can buy guns or even sell them. They can't take peoples guns either, its stated in the second amendment of the United States Constitution, that people have the rights to defend themselves if there ever was a militia. Even if it isn't, they can defend themselves from someone who is assaulting them. Be it with a gun or not, there are plenty of objects one can use to kill another. People are creative, and can find a way to hurt others.

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Saw the news covering this this morning. There was the familiar talk of him playing violent video games and haven't mental issues.

I do wish that we wouldn't always turn to those as if they explain why shootings happen. If I remember correctly the military uses (or did use) video game-like simulations in some of their recruitment. And yet no one is claiming the military is creating monsters. Well, not in this context anyway.

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You'd think that a military facility would be better secured against massacres like this.

Interesting thing though - The shooter originally planned to use a AR-15. He tried buying one out of state the week before, but that state's gun laws wouldn't allow for that. The laws though didn't stop him from buying a shotgun though, which he settled for using.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
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You'd think that a military facility would be better secured against massacres like this.

Interesting thing though - The shooter originally planned to use a AR-15. He tried buying one out of state the week before, but that state's gun laws wouldn't allow for that. The laws though didn't stop him from buying a shotgun though, which he settled for using.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
It's good to hear that the law stopped him from getting that kind of powerful weapon...as more lives could've been taken, though the tragedy sadly still happened :(

I hope that more people with mental issues get help in the future, and that the system is reformed to stop people with such issues from assessing weapons of all kinds but mostly guns, well reducing it as some people are very crafty and will proably be able to get a hold of one, whether it be legally or illegally.
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Yeah, but an AR-15 can be used with military-grade rounds. Can't there be cartridge restrictions at least? - but they probably already exist. Iunno, they should just round up everybody's guns in one fell swoop and be done with it. But most Americans apparently don't feel that way, democracy.
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Yeah, but an AR-15 can be used with military-grade rounds. Can't there be cartridge restrictions at least? - but they probably already exist. Iunno, they should just round up everybody's guns in one fell swoop and be done with it. But most Americans apparently don't feel that way, democracy.
I don't agree with the sezure of legal guns. However I do think they should limit the size of magazines and the number people are allowed to buy. Also there should be a national data base to look up how much ammunition someone has bought in a certain amount of time so that they won't stock up on bullets.
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I thought of seizure because that would be the only realistic way of getting rid of all weapons - if you just restrict the legal weapons and their access, criminals would be at a relative advantage, so my logic goes that you should remove all guns to lower the supply. What I'm trying to say is that if you want reduce the amount of violent gun crime, the only way of doing that would be to take away everybody's guns. Hopefully there's a hole in this argument though, because that doesn't sound the most feasible.

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Ehh I'm never a fan of analogies used this way because a) they're popular b) their logic is because A and B are similar in X ways, they must be similar in Y, Z, P, R, S, T ways c) they tend to constrain critical thinking.

I don't like doing this, but the easy way out for me is to say that when there's a shooting we blame both shooter and gun - the gun for what it is and meant to be. I'd "blame bombs" too, if they were anywhere near as common as guns are. When we "blame guns" we don't literally blame the object itself, to me it's more of blaming the norms of society for tolerating it to be ever-present when many societies around the world don't.

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I find the gun law debate to be tiring and insufficient in discussing the true problem at hand, which isn't the guns themselves so much as the availability of guns and the lack of regulation of the purchasing of guns. I'm in favor of keeping guns in the hands of the people, but with serious restrictions in place. Of course, restrictions will only apply to law-abiding citizens; criminals will get a hold of any weapon they want regardless of the current laws, meaning that more innocent people will be at risk with less availability of guns. It's an exceptionally complex problem that really doesn't seem to have an answer.

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I find the gun law debate to be tiring and insufficient in discussing the true problem at hand, which isn't the guns themselves so much as the availability of guns and the lack of regulation of the purchasing of guns.
I think this is pretty spot on for the most part, as long as you can also recognize that large magazine clips are incredibly unnecessary as well.

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You'd think that a military facility would be better secured against massacres like this.

Interesting thing though - The shooter originally planned to use a AR-15. He tried buying one out of state the week before, but that state's gun laws wouldn't allow for that. The laws though didn't stop him from buying a shotgun though, which he settled for using.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
Dude you would be surprised how unsecured some military bases actually are. Anyone can walk in with a weapon if they wanted too. MPs at the gate only check for a CAC or dependency card. No vehicle, bag, or personal checks, those are only utilized at military weapon ranges or whenever command see's fit. Alot of bases will even let you on with just a state I.D. (For those not in uniform) depending upon the clearance. So yeah, it's pretty easy to sneak weapons into a regular base such as this one. Hopefully big army decides to switch up the way security is done.