~~Diving Deep~~ (A Water Pokemon Fan Club) Page 30

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Your nickname: Jay
- Your Partner Pokémon: Starmie

- Reason for joining the club: Water is cool.
Hello again Jay! Nice seeing you here. :) Have fun and splash around.

Your Gym is probably just a building, like every other gym and not, like mine, a complete island. :P

An Island shrouded in mist surrounded by gigantic waterfalls. Also it features a complete town full of water based illusions and a lot of mysteries that can only be solved by using Psynergy specific water moves. Also there's people you need to talk to; some battle you, some not, but all of them give you little hints in order to progress. Only by solving the mysteries do you get access to the central building and on top of it, I'll await you.
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Who do you think you're are Scott from Battle Frontier? :P If there's a Gym Islandthen that region's Pokemon League and Victory Road would be bigger than your Gym Island. XD On the other hand, there's a vacant in the cave area of Seafoam Island. :B

Joking aside, let's head to an another discussion, let's talk about Water-type's synergy with other types. :)

Let's begin from the most common one: Water/Ground-types like Wooper and others.
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I feel like Water/Ground is one of the most synergistic type combinations, having only a single 4x weakness to Grass (and if you count individual moves, Freeze Dry), an immunity to Electric and resistances to Rock, Fire, Poison and Steel. It's a combination that works well, and the Grass weakness tends to be countered by the ability to learn Ice moves anyway.
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- Your Partner Pokémon: Starmie
I'm curious: why do you like Starmie? Have any stories to tell? :)
Who do you think you're are Scott from Battle Frontier? :P If there's a Gym Islandthen that region's Pokemon League and Victory Road would be bigger than your Gym Island. XD On the other hand, there's a vacant in the cave area of Seafoam Island. :B
What Pokemon League? It seems like you misunderstood the situation: nobody's going to beat me, anyway, so there's no need for a Pokemon League :P

My opinion on Water/Ground Types is:
- Swampert: pretty bulky and powerfull; can set up its own Rain
- Gastrodon: stops most Rain teams cold; is in general really bulky and Storm Drain allows it to become quite decent offensively
- Quagsire: takes hits for days and doesn't care much about opponents boosting their stats
- Seismitoad: it exists; not really sure what to make of it, tbh. I suppose, it can set up Stealth Rocks and Water Absorb is decent, as well

So, yeah, all of them are pretty bulky and having only one weakness in Grass types (+a hugh weakness against Freeze Dry, but that's just a move, so w/e) makes them pretty usefull.
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Water/Ground types

Mudkip Line - I like the unevolved form the most of the three but Mega Stampert is very useful and looks intimidating.

Quagsire - Not a fan of it's face but it's overall design I like but Misty does have one in HGSS. I have never used one.

Seismitoad line - Tympole is cute but Palpitoad and Seismitoad have awkward designs. If Seismitoad did not have the two bumps on it's head it would look great I think.

Gastrodon - Whilst I have never used one it does have the distinction of being on Cynthia's team. I prefer the Pink version to the blue form.

Off topic but I fished up one of my favourite Water Shinys today - Shiny Staryu. I really like the white body with sky blue gem. I have nicknamed it 'Misty'.
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Aww I find it sad when you guys broke it up like that. :'( I personally prefer Nichole's answer, like you know integrated? :) I'm sorry if my title was confusing earlier.

And here's my answer on the topic.

I have to say I agree on Nichole's points a lot. Water and Ground creates an almost perfect synergy! So far the ones that we have on the menu are slow but relatively strong on the defensive side and this is particularly true with Swampy. But imagine, it would be terrifying if there's a Water/Ground Pokemon with the stats of a Greninja, granted that it is able to use EQ/EP. {XD}

Interestingly Rock and Ground-types are quite similar, even the officials were confused by it at at least one time (see episode 46 from the anime). But the Water/Rock creates a new kind of chemistry. Let's talk about the Water/Rock dual typing this time.

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Water/Rock typing eh?

Well, we know that it's currently composed of four evolution lines (three of which are fossils) and two standalone Pokemon. Looking at the stats of most of these Pokemon so far, it appears they tend to be physical-based (makes sense since Rock mainly is a physical type) while the only exceptions are Corsola (being more defense-focused) and the Omanyte line (which are special attackers).

Like Water/Ground, the 4x Grass weakness is still here, but instead no Electric immunity or 4x Freeze Dry weakness, and then throw in a common weakness to Fighting as well. Another upside is a 4x resistance to Fire which is a common attacking type, so it does have its uses but isn't as competitively strong compared to Water/Ground. Also, scarcity outside of fossils makes this combo not as easily accessible unlike other Water dual-types.
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Off topic but I fished up one of my favourite Water Shinys today - Shiny Staryu. I really like the white body with sky blue gem. I have nicknamed it 'Misty'.
So you were chain fishing? You really must have patience in order to do that. Congrats! :)
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So you were chain fishing? You really must have patience in order to do that. Congrats! :)
Yes it does need a bit of patience but it is rewarding in the end.

Incidentally today I chain fished a Shiny Alomonola, Luvdisc and Relicanth on my X profile. I am particularly pleased with getting a Shiny Relicanth, I nicknamed it Brock. :)

That leads me onto Water/Rock Typing. Some of the Water/Rock types like Omanyte and Relicanth I like.

They have a common theme where they are all ancient Pokemon giving some history to the Pokemon Franchise. The 4x weakness to Grass makes them easier to defeat for me than they perhaps should be. However the likes of Kabutops particularly can give an unprepared player problems.

On a random note Brock has three water/Rock types in his HGSS Gym team. (Omanstar, Kabutops and Relicanth).
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They have a common theme where they are all ancient Pokemon giving some history to the Pokemon Franchise. The 4x weakness to Grass makes them easier to defeat for me than they perhaps should be. However the likes of Kabutops particularly can give an unprepared player problems.

On a random note Brock has three water/Rock types in his HGSS Gym team. (Omanstar, Kabutops and Relicanth).
Yes very good thoughts there, the fact there's three evolution lines that are fossil Pokemon while Relicanth is a Pokemon with ancient connections shows how much Water/Rock Pokemon are tied to ancient times. Corsola and Binacle line however, aren't so ancient though since they're based on a coral (which tends to be hard-bodied like rocks) and a barnacle, which clinches onto rocks.
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Yes it does need a bit of patience but it is rewarding in the end.

Incidentally today I chain fished a Shiny Alomonola, Luvdisc and Relicanth on my X profile. I am particularly pleased with getting a Shiny Relicanth, I nicknamed it Brock. :)
Nice! Say, do you have a goal with your shiny chaining? Something like getting all the shiny versions of every Pokemon that you can get by fishing, or are you just curious to see what you can get in general (shiny fishing for the sake of shiny fishing)?
Yes very good thoughts there, the fact there's three evolution lines that are fossil Pokemon while Relicanth is a Pokemon with ancient connections shows how much Water/Rock Pokemon are tied to ancient times. Corsola and Binacle line however, aren't so ancient though since they're based on a coral (which tends to be hard-bodied like rocks) and a barnacle, which clinches onto rocks.
Considering that they are Water/Rock types and that life origined in the water, you'd imagine that there's still a ton of undiscovered Water/Rock types that need to be found. I wouldn't be too sure about the Corsola species not being that old. Then again, I'm not a professional in terms of ancient species.

Speaking of Corsola: back in 2001, when I was playing Gold a lot, one of the party members I had, was a Corsola. I know it had Spike Cannon which, even though it's considered a Normal type move, only a few Water types can learn. The other ones being Cloyster and the Omanyte line.
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Don't think I joined this club. So... hello.

- Your nickname: Lorian
- Your Partner Pokémon: Greninja
- Reason for joining the club: Water has been my favourite type for a while. It's my most chosen starter as well. I enjoy going surfing/ diving often.
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Nice! Say, do you have a goal with your shiny chaining? Something like getting all the shiny versions of every Pokemon that you can get by fishing, or are you just curious to see what you can get in general (shiny fishing for the sake of shiny fishing)?

Considering that they are Water/Rock types and that life origined in the water, you'd imagine that there's still a ton of undiscovered Water/Rock types that need to be found. I wouldn't be too sure about the Corsola species not being that old. Then again, I'm not a professional in terms of ancient species.

Speaking of Corsola: back in 2001, when I was playing Gold a lot, one of the party members I had, was a Corsola. I know it had Spike Cannon which, even though it's considered a Normal type move, only a few Water types can learn. The other ones being Cloyster and the Omanyte line.


I have a lot of Shinys from fishing but I normally aim for a Shiny on a Route. Like I was aiming for a Shiny Alomonola (Which somewhat Fittingly has a Sassy Nature :)). Sometimes I get Shinys on the way to Shinys like whilst looking for a Shiny Poliwhirl I caught a Shiny Basculin on the way. :)

I have never used Corsola but it is part of the most lopsided against you in-game trades. An Aroma Lady in Pacfidilog Town asks for a Bellossom in exchange for her Corsola. For Bellossom you need a Sun Stone which are reasonably hard to get. Corsola can be caught by fishing.
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I have never used Corsola but it is part of the most lopsided against you in-game trades. An Aroma Lady in Pacfidilog Town asks for a Bellossom in exchange for her Corsola. For Bellossom you need a Sun Stone which are reasonably hard to get. Corsola can be caught by fishing.
Ah yes that awful in-game trade in the Hoenn games... doesn't Game Freak realize how hard it is to get a Sun Stone in those games? Oddish are a common find in most routes, but it's the shortage of evolution stones that make it hard for completionists, let alone evolve a Pokemon solely for an in-game trade. A complete rip-off if you ask me, since you can just fish for a Corsola anyway.

That said guys, I'm taking over the type combination discussions for a while since Sun is busy with Get-Together stuff. Anyways, let's get onto another common combination - Water/Flying!
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That said guys, I'm taking over the type combination discussions for a while since Sun is busy with Get-Together stuff. Anyways, let's get onto another common combination - Water/Flying!
Usually, when I think about Water/Flying mons, the first thing that comes to mind is Pelipper, for some odd reason. You know that Pokemon that spams Protect like there's no tomorrow, making it a pain to encounter and fight? Yeah, that's Pelipper.

You seriously can't play RSE (or ORAS for that matter) peacefully, without encountering one of them at least once. You know, what's funny, though? Pelipper has a base 100 Defense, which is really high all things considered. It can actually take a hit, that is, if it isn't an Electric type attack. {XD}

I've never used one though. I don't know whether it's because of it being a somewhat common Pokemon, that also appears relatively early in the games (if we count Wingull), or whether it's because of just how annoying it tends to be when facing. It's Special Attack is still usable, so maybe I might take a look into it, when I feel like playing the games again...
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One thing we do know about Water/Flying is that there's a decent variety of the Pokemon that play differently.

There's ones that have high defensive stats and HP, like Mantine and Pelipper while there's some that are more offensive like Swanna and Gyarados (and in Swanna's case, it's the speedster of the type as well) so it's a mixed bag as far as specialties. The type actually is quite good defensively, only having weaknesses to Rock and two 4x ones - Electric-types and Freeze Dry. Being Flying-types, they also carry the signature immunity to Ground, making them a hard counter to the type.

There may be not many Pokemon of the Water/Flying combination, but it'll always play differently based on stats alone. The issue with Gyarados is if I even consider it a Flying-type or not based mainly on the fact it literally only learns one Flying move.

Speaking of Swanna, I had some great dominance with one in a Showdown random battle, equipped with Hydration (hidden ability), Rain Dance and a set of moves that get buffed in the rain (Hurricane and Surf). It ended up slaying my opponent really well in that battle with those souped-up moves, trust me a high-powered Water move in rain hits for insane levels of damage and even more so with STAB.
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The first time I heard of a Water/Flying Pokémon, it was Wingull lines as well, because I think it's pretty good on its own way, even though Pelipper's moveset was mostly for defensive purposes (Stockpile and Protect among others).

And I agree, that Swanna is more focused on offensive moves, which can be powerful if executed well like what Hikari mentioned earlier, probably that's why Skyla the Gym Leader choose Swanna as the ace in her team, despite she being specialized in Flying-type Gym in general, and it clearly shows in Ash's battle with her in the anime.

I'm sure Water/Flying type, despite having some weakness like Rock and Electric moves, can make up for it if executed right.

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Hi ive kinda been inactive lately but im back
Now lets see water/flying types
Swanna can be very powerful if used well
Pellipper isnt that powerful but i love him for his typing and he is decent in PU
Mantine is a decent low tier mon (I will admit I have lost games to it)
Gyarados is a bit iffy on the flying thing but it is its typing nonetheless so,
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Hi ive kinda been inactive lately but im back
Now lets see water/flying types
Swanna can be very powerful if used well
Pellipper isnt that powerful but i love him for his typing and he is decent in PU
Mantine is a decent low tier mon (I will admit I have lost games to it)
Gyarados is a bit iffy on the flying thing but it is its typing nonetheless so,
Gyarados is a Great d-dance sweeper nuff said
Wow it has been ages since I last saw you. :o

I'm not even the owner of this club now. X'D

And on the topic, Water/Flying is interesting as it provides a defensive protection again the Grass-type moves. While being a part Water-type kind of negates the Rock-type weakness. So the typing is actually useful, particularly in-games. (:

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I'm not even the owner of this club now. X'D

And on the topic, Water/Flying is interesting as it provides a defensive protection again the Grass-type moves. While being a part Water-type kind of negates the Rock-type weakness. So the typing is actually useful, particularly in-games. (:
Well, he's still sort-of a "co-owner" helping me with stuff. But yes, I'm the official captain of this ship now. Speaking of that, awesome to see Draskk here again! I really missed seeing you in this club.

The fact the Water-type counters the Rock weakness easily leaves pretty much Electric as the only real threat to the Water/Flying combination. It's quite defensively good, such as the aforementioned neutrality to Grass.
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Water doesn't resist Rock, so Water/Flying types are still weak to it. If anything, you're talking about Water being super effective against Rock. ;)
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Water doesn't resist Rock, so Water/Flying types are still weak to it. If anything, you're talking about Water being super effective against Rock. ;)
Yeah, that was what we meant. :D

How about a hot fresh typing to spice up the conversation a bit? Let's talk about the unofficial Water/Fire-typing this time. (Yes I know, there's an unreleased Pokemon with this typing, but for now we'll pretend it doesn't exist; Keep in mind, we are only talking about the typing's chemistry rather than a Pokemon or its evolutionary family).

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How about a hot fresh typing to spice up the conversation a bit? Let's talk about the unofficial Water/Fire-typing this time. (Yes I know, there's an unreleased Pokemon with this typing, but for now we'll pretend it doesn't exist; Keep in mind, we are only talking about the typing's chemistry rather than a Pokemon or its evolutionary family).
You really need to work on your topic-changing skills. :P

I'd imagine a Fire/Water type as a special attacker, since a lot of Fire and Water type moves are special based anyway. Stuff like Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Hydro Pump and the best move in the game: Scald.

In a way Water/Fire is pretty close to Water/Grass, in that it combines two of the primary typings (because that's the types starter Pokemon have), so it's something we definitely need more of.
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While we know of the likely event mythical Pokemon Volcanion, currently unreleased, has this unique type combination. And looking at it on paper, it is a really complimentary combination as far as types are concerned.

It only has three weaknesses - Electric, Ground and Rock, but the latter two don't threaten it easily since those types are mainly weak to Water anyway. The secondary Fire-type can also fend off common Grass-types which tend to pose a threat to out watery creatures, but with this combination we don't have to resort to Ice Beam like most other Water-types do.

And as R.F. said, we've only had one dual type combination combining two starter types so far, so I do hope we see a Water/Fire (and Grass/Fire as well) to complete the trio.
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You really need to work on your topic-changing skills. :P

I'd imagine a Fire/Water type as a special attacker, since a lot of Fire and Water type moves are special based anyway. Stuff like Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Hydro Pump and the best move in the game: Scald.

In a way Water/Fire is pretty close to Water/Grass, in that it combines two of the primary typings (because that's the types starter Pokemon have), so it's something we definitely need more of.

Too much special attacker for Water and Fire 7.8.


Personally I would prefer a Water/Fire Physical Attacker. As it needs access to priority moves such as Aqua Jet, and this is very true if this Pokemon retains the Glass Cannon trait from its Fire-typing.

As a Physical Attacker, we will want to expect it to learn Earthquake for coverage. Aqua Tail, Waterfall or Crabhammer are great STAB moves, as for the Fire-type STAB move, there's Flare Blitz, Fire Punch.

Okay, I do admit I'm straying too far. I'll elaborate more on the typing's chemistry on my following respond.

While we know of the likely event mythical Pokemon Volcanion, currently unreleased, has this unique type combination. And looking at it on paper, it is a really complimentary combination as far as types are concerned.

It only has three weaknesses - Electric, Ground and Rock, but the latter two don't threaten it easily since those types are mainly weak to Water anyway. The secondary Fire-type can also fend off common Grass-types which tend to pose a threat to out watery creatures, but with this combination we don't have to resort to Ice Beam like most other Water-types do.

And as R.F. said, we've only had one dual type combination combining two starter types so far, so I do hope we see a Water/Fire (and Grass/Fire as well) to complete the trio.
Water/Fire are one of those typings that create the almost perfect synergy, as the typing allows it to blow 2/3 weaknesses already. Electric-types shouldn't be a concern too, as Water and Fire type moves are able to hit Electric-types with ease. Just imagine if a Pokemon with this typing are able to learn Ground-type moves. (:
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Too much special attacker for Water and Fire 7.8.

Personally I would prefer a Water/Fire Physical Attacker. As it needs access to priority moves such as Aqua Jet, and this is very true if this Pokemon retains the Glass Cannon trait from its Fire-typing.
I can easily see a special Water/Fire type being based on geysirs/hot springs, but what would a physical attacker actually be based on?
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