Counter that Pokémon Page 12

Started by Jin Of The Gale September 21st, 2013 8:57 PM
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Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Trait: Super Luck
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Night Slash
- Brave Bird
- Superpower
- Roost

After it gets sent out on the field, Honchkrow would immediately start Night Slashing. Before you even know it, Chandelure would be out of sight.
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Dugtrio is a check, not a counter. It gets OHKO'd if Jolteon uses HP Ice when Dugtrio switches in.
My mistake, will try to do it properly in future.

Zapdos @ leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP /252 Sp.Atk /4 speed
Timid Nature(+Speed - Atk)
-Thunderbolt
-Heat Wave
-Substitute
-Roost

Bulky Zapdos can switch into everything, including a night slash crit from Honchkrow and Outspeeds and OHKs with T-Bolt.
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Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Trait: Super Luck
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Night Slash
- Brave Bird
- Superpower
- Roost

After it gets sent out on the field, Honchkrow would immediately start Night Slashing. Before you even know it, Chandelure would be out of sight.
Not exactly.

252+ SpA Chandelure Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Honchkrow: 292-345 (72.2 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Basically, not only should your Pokemon be able to defeat your foe, it should also be able to switch into any of its moves. Honchkrow takes over 70% when it switches into Chandelure's Flamethrower. In the following turn, Chandelure outspeeds Honchkrow thanks to Choice Scarf and KOs it with another Flamethrower before Honchkrow can do anything to strike back. The lack of Sucker Punch makes Honchrow nothing more than a check.

252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 398-471 (152.4 - 180.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anyway,

Flygon (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge

Flygon is unaffected by Thunderbolt and it takes 19.9 - 23.5% from Heat Wave. Zapdos is OHKO'd by Stone Edge or Outrage.

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-Avalugg w/Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4Attack
Moves: Avalanche, Earthquake, Recover, Rapid Spin

252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 138-164 (35 - 41.6%) -- 78.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 124-147 (31.4 - 37.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

lol Avalugg
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Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Focus Blast
- Flamethrower
- Overheat
- Fire Blast

4 Atk Avalugg Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 204-240 (68.4 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Typhlosion Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 692-816 (175.6 - 207.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 480-566 (121.8 - 143.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 426-502 (108.1 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 584-690 (148.2 - 175.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

/me says nothing










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Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Focus Blast
- Flamethrower
- Overheat
- Fire Blast

4 Atk Avalugg Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 204-240 (68.4 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Typhlosion Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 692-816 (175.6 - 207.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 480-566 (121.8 - 143.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 426-502 (108.1 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 584-690 (148.2 - 175.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

/me says nothing
Just saying, Choice Scarf with Eruption is one of Typhlosion's main draws, making it hard to switch into.

Anyway:

Jellicent

-Scald
-Shadow Ball
-Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Jellicent walls Typhlosion entirely. 'Nuff said.

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Shaymin @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Seed Flare
- Earth Power
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]

252 SpA Life Orb Shaymin Seed Flare vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Jellicent: 307-361 (75.9 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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Chansey @ Eviolite
Nature: Natural Cure
Ability: Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Toxic
~ Seismic Toss

Could withstand any attacks used by Shaymin. Then, it could poison it with Toxic and finish it off with a few Seismic Tosses. With the help of Wish and Protect, it would be able to recover itself whenever it needs to. :b

252+ SpA Chandelure Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Honchkrow: 292-345 (72.2 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Basically, not only should your Pokemon be able to defeat your foe, it should also be able to switch into any of its moves. Honchkrow takes over 70% when it switches into Chandelure's Flamethrower. In the following turn, Chandelure outspeeds Honchkrow thanks to Choice Scarf and KOs it with another Flamethrower before Honchkrow can do anything to strike back. The lack of Sucker Punch makes Honchrow nothing more than a check.

252+ Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 398-471 (152.4 - 180.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ah, okay--I got you. Thanks for clearing that up. :]

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Conkeldurr @Leftovers
Ability: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Ice Punch

Doesn't mind Toxic that much due to Guts. Could set up if Chansey decides to Wish + Protect. A combination of Guts boosted Drain Punch + Mach Punch also kills Chansey. 2hko's with Drain Punch without the Guts boost.
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Chandelure (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Energy Ball

252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Conkeldurr: 456-537 (129.5 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Conkeldurr: 331-391 (94 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 52-61 (19.9 - 23.3%) -- possible 5HKO

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Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Focus Blast
- Flamethrower
- Overheat
- Fire Blast

4 Atk Avalugg Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 204-240 (68.4 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Typhlosion Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 692-816 (175.6 - 207.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 480-566 (121.8 - 143.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 426-502 (108.1 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Typhlosion Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 584-690 (148.2 - 175.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

/me says nothing
Funny thing here is that Typhlosion doesn't counter Avalugg because of Sturdy:
Typhlosion switches in----> Avalugg uses Earthquake while Typhlosion switches in------>Next turn, Typhlosion uses fire attack, Avalugg survives due to Sturdy, finishes Typhlosion with a 2nd EQ


How was I the only one who saw that?

Anyway:

-Goodra w/Assault Vest
Nature: Calm
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Special Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Dragon Pulse, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Sludge Bomb

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 102-120 (26.5 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 100-118 (26 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 135-159 (51.7 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Goodra=win
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Garchomp @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Dual Chop

252 SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 284-336 (79.3 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 528-624 (137.5 - 162.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Goodra: 788-930 (205.2 - 242.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Could easily switch into a Dragon Pulse coming from a weak Goodra, tank the Dragon Pulse 100%, then outspeed on next turn and Dual Chop/Outrage it's way to victory!

----If taking that much from Dragon Pulse doesn't make it a counter, let me know. XD










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Bronzong @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flash Cannon
- Trick
- Psychic

A totally viable set in the OU metagame, imo. Bronzong resists Garchomp's moves and takes less than 45% from Outrage.

252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Bronzong: 129-152 (38.1 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Bronzong Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 356-420 (99.4 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

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Darmanitan (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Flare Blitz
- Earthquake
- Brick Break

Bronzong would be stuck to Hidden Power thanks to Choice Specs, which Darmanitan would be able to endure just fine. With a bit of help from Flare Blitz, it could take Bronzong out quite instantly. :p
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Slowbro (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Ice Beam

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 149-176 (37.8 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Slowbro Surf vs. 4 HP / 4 SpD Darmanitan: 312-368 (88.6 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

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-Scrafty w/Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
Moves: Drain Punch, Bulk Up, Crunch, Rest

16 SpA Slowbro Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Scrafty: 66-78 (19.7 - 23.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
16 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Scrafty: 44-52 (13.1 - 15.5%) -- possibly the worst move ever

Scrafty has the bulk to tank Slowbro's attacks, which allows it to use Bulk Up a few times, so that Crunch goes from:
4 Atk Scrafty Crunch vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Slowbro: 108-128 (27.4 - 32.5%) -- 62.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

to

+2 4 Atk Scrafty Crunch vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Slowbro: 216-254 (54.9 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Sylveon:

-Calm Mind
-Hyper Voice
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate

Sylveon resists Scrafty's STABs, outspeeds it and KOs with Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice.

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252 HP / 252 Sp.Def / 6Def
Calm Nature
Overgrow ----> Thick Fat
- Synthesis
- Sludge Bomb
- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed

Comes in, tanks everything Sylveon can do with ease and easily beats it with Thick Fat Sludge Bomb and Leech Seed.
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Ferrothorn
252 HP/252 Attack, Adamant/Brave nature
Choice Band

Gyro Ball
...other moves

Immune to everything on the Venusaur set and 4HKOs with Gyroball. There's only so many times Synthesis can be used.
You need to specify the other moves Ferrothorn should have. What coverage moves does Ferrothorn have to discourage other counters from switching in?

Anyway:
Charizard Y:

-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Dragon Pulse
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite Y

While Charizard Y may not like Band-boosted Explosions from Ferrothorn, it takes a pittance from Power Whip and doesn't care much about Gyro Ball, despite its high Speed. It also OHKOs Ferrothorn with a STAB Sun-boosted Fire Blast.

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Goodra @Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest nature
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Fire Blast

The strongest Charizard can do is a 4hko w/ Dragon Pulse whilst Goodra can 2hko with Thunderbolt or Draco Meteor.

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Tyranitar (M) @ Tyranitarite
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 8 SDef / 248 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Outrage

Goodra's Special Attack would be heavily decreased when it uses Draco Meteor. After that, Tyranitar could come in, switch into its mega-form, and knock it out with Outrage.

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Tyranitar (M) @ Tyranitarite
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 8 SDef / 248 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Outrage

Goodra's Special Attack would be heavily decreased when it uses Draco Meteor. After that, Tyranitar could come in, switch into its mega-form, and knock it out with Outrage.
Eh, Stone Edge hits Goodra hard enough already.

Anyway:

Cobalion:

-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Iron Head
-Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Cobalion resists all of Tyranitar's offensive moves. It can also grab a free Attack boost from Crunch courtesy of Justified. Close Combat also wrecks Mega Tyranitar.