Counter that Pokémon Page 13

Started by Jin Of The Gale September 21st, 2013 8:57 PM
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Age 27
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Mid-16th Century
Seen August 10th, 2022
Posted February 5th, 2015
211 posts
10.4 Years
Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Dragon Pulse

252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Explosion vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 170-200 (52.4 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 61-72 (18.8 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (91 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 46-55 (14.1 - 16.9%) -- possible 6HKO
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Volcarona (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Modest/Timid
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power (Water)

Switches into a fire move, sets up a Quiver Dance and that's all she wrote! After the Quiver Dance, its special defense is high enough to take anything the Heatran set above can throw at it.

Nah

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I don't think Volcarona quite counters Heatran, but whatever.


-Salamence w/Choice Scarf
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Sp.Attack
Moves: Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Steel Wing, Fire Blast

A little different from the normal set, but it works.

+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 238-281 (71.9 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Salamence survives Volcarona's most powerful attack against it even at +1, then outspeeds due to Choice Scarf, and OHKOs with Stone Edge (which Volcarona has no hope of surviving).
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."

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Corsola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Toxic

252 Atk Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corsola: 109-129 (34.7 - 41%)
4 SpA Corsola Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 224-264 (67.6 - 79.7%)
WALLED
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Nah

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Well, there's something that probably hasn't been used before. {:3}

Bit sad for Salamence getting walled by Corsola, of all things.


-Sceptile w/Occa Berry
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 AttacK, 252 Speed, 4 Sp.Attack
Moves: Leaf Blade, Giga Drain, Focus Blast, Rock Slide

4 SpA Corsola Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Sceptile: 106-126 (37.7 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

And Leaf Blade/Giga Drain don't really need calcs...
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."

PlatinumDude

Nyeh?

Age 29
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Canada
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Posted May 30th, 2020
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12.7 Years
Always wanted to do this one:

Escavalier:

-Megahorn
-Iron Head
-Drill Run
-Pursuit
Nature: Brave
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Overcoat

Escavalier quad resists Leaf Blade and Giga Drain; it's also able to take a Focus Blast nicely thanks to the buffed Special Defense granted by Assault Vest. It still has enough physical bulk to tank a Rock Slide, and OHKOs Sceptile with Megahorn.

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Ninetales (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Drought
EVs: 80 HP / 56 Def / 252 SAtk / 120 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flamethrower

Could take down Escavalier with either Flamethrower or Fire Blast.

252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier in Sun: 508-600 (147.6 - 174.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Ninetales Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier in Sun: 412-492 (119.7 - 143%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Cradily @ Leftovers
Ability: Suction Cups
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Rock Slide
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cradily in Sun: 136-162 (36.1 - 43%)
0 Atk Cradily Rock Slide vs. 60 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 174-206 (57.6 - 68.2%)
+6 0 Atk Cradily Rock Slide vs. 60 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 686-810 (227.1 - 268.2%)
Just realized that the Ninetales had not only Flamethrower but also Fire Blast. It does quite a bit, boo.
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Tyrael

This is a Sailor's Prayer

Age 30
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Deep in the Heart of Texas
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Posted January 26th, 2015
373 posts
10.2 Years
Spoiler:

Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Fire Blast
- Overheat

252 SpA Flash Fire Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 80 HP / 120+ SpD Ninetales in Sun: 177-209 (57.6 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 39-46 (14.9 - 17.6%) -- possible 6HKO

Chandy is immune to anything that Ninetales can do, bar Energy which doesn't do anything to begin with. It can easily come in, take a Fire attack to get Flash Fire, then 2HKO Ninetales with Fire Blast.


Ninja'd :(


Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Flash Cannon
- HP Fire
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch

0 Atk Cradily Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 30-36 (8.7 - 10.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+6 0 Atk Cradily Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 120-141 (34.8 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cradily: 296-350 (78.7 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Magnezone takes pretty much nothing from unboosted Rock Slide and can manage to take a few +6 as it is. Will 2HKO back without a doubt with Flash Cannon.










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10.4 Years
Gastrodon (M) @ Wise Glasses
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 172 HP / 84 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Recover

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 127-150 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- 79.1% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Wise Glasses Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Magnezone: 612-724 (177.9 - 210.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Mantine @Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Nature: Modest
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power Grass
- Air Slash
- Rest

252+ SpA Wise Glasses Gastrodon Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Mantine: 54-64 (19.8 - 23.5%) -- possible 5HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Mantine Hidden Power Grass vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 291-348 (71.6 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

...why did I do this again?
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Psychic

252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Celebi: 104-122 (30.4 - 35.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Celebi Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T: 162-192 (54 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nah

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Counter a legendary with another legendary, the counter THAT legendary with yet another one!


-Latias w/Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Dragon Pulse, Ice Beam, Recover, Psyshock

252 SpA Life Orb Latias Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Celebi: 229-270 (66.9 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Celebi Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 54-63 (17.8 - 20.8%) -- possible 5HKO

252+ SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 45-53 (14.9 - 17.5%) -- possible 6HKO

Latias wins.

And whoever's next, try to do it without using a legendary so we don't get into a legendaries loop.
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."
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Counter a legendary with another legendary, the counter THAT legendary with yet another one!


-Latias w/Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Dragon Pulse, Ice Beam, Recover, Psyshock

252 SpA Life Orb Latias Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Celebi: 229-270 (66.9 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Celebi Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 54-63 (17.8 - 20.8%) -- possible 5HKO

252+ SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 45-53 (14.9 - 17.5%) -- possible 6HKO

Latias wins.

And whoever's next, try to do it without using a legendary so we don't get into a legendaries loop.
Who cares, they are ou, so whats the big deal?

Anyway;

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252 Atk / 176 Speed / 80 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait: Download
- Shift Gear
- Iron Head
- X-Scissor
- Blaze Kick

Latias cant do anything bar being set up bait.
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10.4 Years
Kingdra (F) Dragon Fang
Trait:Sniper
EVs:252 Speed / 252 Atk / 6 Spa
Careful nature
-Dragon pulse
-Dragon claw
-Surf
-Dragon Dance
First of all, Kingdra does not learn Dragon Claw so the 252 EVs it has on its Attack stat is useless.

Empoleon (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot

Grass Knot 2HKOs Kingdra.

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Black Kyurem @ Choice Band
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature(+Spd, -SDef)
  • Outrage
  • Ice Beam
  • Stone Edge
  • Fusion Bolt

Knocks Empoleon down with only just one Fusion Bolt attack. If you use Outrage, then Empoleon could be defeated within two turns.

252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 488-576 (157.9 - 186.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 219-258 (70.8 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Ferrothorn (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Protect
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball

252 Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 107-126 (30.3 - 35.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 100-118 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 93.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (116 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 236-282 (60.3 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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14.1 Years


Torkoal @White Herb
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Shell Smash
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Grass

4 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (55 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Torkoal: 21-25 (7.4 - 8.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
4 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (111 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Torkoal: 42-51 (14.9 - 18.1%) -- possible 6HKO

252 SpA Torkoal Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 472-564 (134 - 160.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Latios (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Trick

Latios takes less than 25% from all of Torkoal's moves with no stat boosts. It can survive a +2 Fire Blast and OHKO Torkoal with either Surf or Draco Meteor.

+2 252 SpA Torkoal Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 124-147 (41 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Nah

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-Jirachi w/Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Speed
Moves: Iron Head, Thunder Wave, Wish, Protect

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jirachi: 114-135 (28.2 - 33.4%) -- 94.6% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jirachi: 107-126 (26.4 - 31.1%) -- 11.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Specs Latios can only 4HKO 'Rachi at best. Trick doesn't matter much, since it doesn't have priority, so Jirachi can Thunder Wave, then spam Iron Head (which will go first since Latios's Speed is cut by paralysis), which is ok to get locked into since:

0 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 103-123 (34.1 - 40.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

So it can kill Latios before Latios kills it (not to mention paraflinch).
Nah ンン
“No, I... I have to be strong. Everyone expects me to."

LightBlast

I am fire. I am... death!

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Dragon Den
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Posted December 23rd, 2016
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9.9 Years
Garchomp @Yache Berry
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 Hp

Earthquake, Sword Dance, Outrage, Substitute

Iron Head: 0 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 91-108 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Earthquake: 252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 326-386 (80.6 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

It is immune to TW and can either SD or Sub on the switch.
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