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Old December 9th, 2013 (7:13 AM).
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    Cryogonal outspeeds Garchomp then OHKO it with Ice Beam
    Cryogonal gets OHKO'd when it switches into any of Garchomp's offensive moves. It's a check, not a counter.

    Heatran (F) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Earth Power
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power [Grass]

    Heatran can switch into Fire Fang and Earthquake safely without getting hit thanks to Flash Fire and Air Balloon. It 2HKOs Garchomp with Dragon Pulse when it's locked into Outrage.

    252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 93-110 (24 - 28.4%) -- 97.1% chance to 4HKO

    252+ SpA Heatran Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 234-276 (65.3 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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    Old December 9th, 2013 (8:27 AM).
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    By the way, a Lanturn Magnet CRIT does 81.6 - 96.5% to 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune, so it can technically survive it and rest off the damage provided it has gotten to set up. All depends on the hax gods - but CroCune can beat that Lanturn set :>
    Yah it wins cos of pressure. Also is that the old way crits worked aka x2 or the gen 6 way aka only 1.5x?

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    Heatran cant do anything against this and just Curses and Rests off any damage and then nails it with attacking move.
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    Old December 9th, 2013 (8:58 AM).
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    For some strange reason I thought that Charge boosted Sp.Attack, not Sp.Defense.

    If my brain still isn't in dumbass mode, this should counter Snorlax:

    -Conkeldurr w/Leftovers
    Ability: Guts
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Bulk Up, Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Ice Punch/Payback

    Conkeldurr has the bulk to take Snorlax's attacks, and can heal off damage with Drain Punch+Leftovers. Can alternate between Drain Punch and Bulk Up to eventually kill Snorlax. Guts is there on the off-chance that Fire Punch burns it (and I guess it works if Body Slam paralyzes it).
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    Old December 11th, 2013 (5:17 AM).
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      Try not to add slashes. Theoretically, I could put Lucario or Gengar with every possible move they can learn and have no true counters.

      Reuniclus (F) @ Leftovers
      Trait: Magic Guard
      EVs: 104 HP / 252 Def / 152 SAtk
      Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
      - Psychic
      - Shadow Ball
      - Recover
      - Focus Blast

      152+ SpA Reuniclus Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 414-488 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

      252+ Atk Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 104 HP / 252 Def Reuniclus: 122-144 (31.5 - 37.2%) -- 78.8% chance to 3HKO
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      Jirachi @ Leftovers
      Trait: Serene Grace
      EVs: 244 Atk/ 200 HP/ 64 Def
      Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
      - Iron Head
      - Thunder Wave
      - Wish
      - Protect

      Jirachi wouldn't be taking much damage from any of Reuniclus' attacks. Even if it does, though, it should always be able to recover itself with the combination of Wish and Protect. Then, it could slow down Reuniclus with Thunder Wave and eventually have it taken down with Iron Head.
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        Darmanitan (F) @ Lum Berry
        Trait: Sheer Force
        EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
        Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
        - Flare Blitz
        - Earthquake
        - Rock Slide
        - Superpower

        252+ Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 200 HP / 64 Def Jirachi: 554-654 (141.6 - 167.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

        It can switch into Thunder Wave, get its status ailment removed using Lum Berry and OHKO in the next turn.

        244+ Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darmanitan: 96-114 (27.3 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
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        -Slowbro w/Leftovers
        Nature: Bold
        Ability: Regenerator
        EVs: 248 HP, 244 Defense, 16 Sp.Attack
        Moves: Scald, Psyshock, Slack Off, Fire Blast

        Slowbro can take Flare Blitz and Superpower no problem, and probably not that much from Earthquake and Rock Slide. From there, its just some Scald and Slack Off till Darmanitan is dead.
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          Hydreigon @ Life Orb
          Ability: Levitate
          EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
          Modest Nature
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          - Draco Meteor
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          -Slowbro w/Leftovers
          Nature: Bold
          Ability: Regenerator
          EVs: 248 HP, 244 Defense, 16 Sp.Attack
          Moves: Scald, Psyshock, Slack Off, Fire Blast

          Slowbro can take Flare Blitz and Superpower no problem, and probably not that much from Earthquake and Rock Slide. From there, its just some Scald and Slack Off till Darmanitan is dead.
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          - Scald
          - Toxic
          - Wish
          - Protect

          Takes basically nothing from all of Slowbro's attacks and can then Toxic, Wish and Protect until its dead.
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          Breloom w/ Toxic Orb
          Nature: Adamant
          Ability: Poison Heal
          12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
          ~ Spore
          ~ Substitute
          ~ Focus Punch
          ~ Seed Bomb

          Toxic Orb would activate as soon as Breloom switches in, preventing it from getting burned with Scald. After that, it'd put Vaporeon to sleep with Spore, set up Substitute, then Seed Bomb its way.
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          Nature: Adamant
          Ability: Poison Heal
          12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
          ~ Spore
          ~ Substitute
          ~ Focus Punch
          ~ Seed Bomb

          Toxic Orb would activate as soon as Breloom switches in, preventing it from getting burned with Scald. After that, it'd put Vaporeon to sleep with Spore, set up Substitute, then Seed Bomb its way.
          Toxic Orb doesnt activate as soon as it switches in, Scald can still burn as Loom switches in and if that happens Breloom loses iirc.

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          Hard walls Breloom as it cannot do anything to it, including Spore.
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          Old December 14th, 2013 (8:04 AM). Edited December 14th, 2013 by Nah.
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          -Volcarona w/Life Orb
          Nature: Modest
          Ability: Flame Body
          EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
          Moves: Fiery Dance, Bug Buzz, Quiver Dance, Giga Drain

          Volcarona can take a couple of Shadow Claws from Trevenant:
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          0 Atk Trevenant Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Volcarona: 117-138 (37.6 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
          It doesn't care about Will-o-Wisp, and can OHKO with Fiery Dance:
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          252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 252 HP / 40 SpD Trevenant: 432-510 (115.5 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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            Infernape (M) @ Choice Band
            Trait: Iron Fist
            EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
            Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
            - Stone Edge
            - Thunder Punch
            - Close Combat
            - Flare Blitz

            252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Infernape: 126-149 (43 - 50.8%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO
            +1 252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Infernape: 191-225 (65.1 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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            Hippowdon @ Leftovers
            Sand Stream
            EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
            Impish Nature
            -Earthquake
            -Ice Fang
            -Slack Off
            -Stealth Rock

            Can take a Flare Blitz/Close Combat or two, then OHKOs back with Earthquake.
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              Articuno @ Life Orb
              Trait: Pressure
              EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
              Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
              - Ice Beam
              - Hurricane
              - Roost
              - Substitute

              252+ SpA Life Orb Articuno Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Hippowdon: 439-523 (104.5 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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                Specially defensive Crustle can safely switch in to both Hurricane and Ice Beam. Articuno is also severely weak to Stealth Rock, losing 50% of its health and rendering Roost useless. Rock Blast breaks through Substitute without a hitch.

                0 Atk Crustle Rock Blast (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 216-264 (67.2 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
                0 Atk Crustle Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 324-396 (100.9 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
                0 Atk Crustle Rock Blast (4 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 432-528 (134.5 - 164.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
                0 Atk Crustle Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 540-660 (168.2 - 205.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock


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                Ability: Sturdy
                EVs: 240 SDef / 252 HP / 16 Def
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                - Spikes
                - Stealth Rock
                - Rock Blast
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                -Aggron w/Air Balloon
                Nature: Adamant
                Ability: Rock Head
                EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
                Moves: Head Smash, Earthquake, Automotize, Iron Head


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                Old December 16th, 2013 (9:36 AM). Edited December 16th, 2013 by Jin Of The Gale.
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                  I wouldn't call Crustle a good counter. Unless you're relying on Hurricane's 30% chance to miss, Articuno will 2HKO Crustle.

                  252+ SpA Life Orb Articuno Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Crustle: 181-214 (52.6 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
                  252+ SpA Life Orb Articuno Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Crustle: 148-175 (43 - 50.8%) -- 4.3% chance to 2HKO

                  Spoiler:
                  Start of turn 1
                  The Lion Heart called Smeargle back!
                  The Lion Heart sent out Crustle!

                  Articuno used Hurricane!
                  The foe's Crustle lost 59% of its health!
                  Articuno is hurt by its Life Orb!

                  The foe's Crustle restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

                  Start of turn 2
                  Articuno used Ice Beam!
                  The foe's Crustle lost 46% of its health!
                  The foe's Crustle fainted!
                  Articuno is hurt by its Life Orb!


                  Anyway

                  Quagsire (M) @ Leftovers
                  Trait: Unaware
                  EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
                  Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
                  - Recover
                  - Counter
                  - Earthquake
                  - Scald

                  252+ Atk Aggron Head Smash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 96-113 (24.4 - 28.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
                  252+ Atk Aggron Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 85-101 (21.6 - 25.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

                  0 SpA Quagsire Scald vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Aggron: 186-218 (65.9 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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                  Ability: Thick Fat
                  IVs: 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 SpDef
                  Nature: Modest
                  - Synthesis
                  - Giga Drain
                  - Sludge Bomb
                  - Hidden Power Fire

                  Don't think I need to calc.
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                    Talonflame @ Life Orb
                    Ability: Thick Fat
                    EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spd
                    Adamant Nature
                    - Brave Bird
                    - Flare Blitz
                    - Roost
                    - Swords Dance

                    Sludge Bomb will hurt a lot, but Talonflame's Brave Bird will destroy Venusaur no matter what.
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                    Old December 16th, 2013 (11:59 AM). Edited December 16th, 2013 by Jet Pilot.
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                      Cinccino @ Choice Band
                      Ability: Skill Link
                      Nature: Adamant
                      EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
                      - Rock Blast
                      - Bullet Seed
                      - Tail Slap
                      - U-Turn

                      Talon would OHKO w/ Brave Bird although with the way your EVs are spread, my Cinccino outspeeds your Talon by 8 points. Rock Blast is a guaranteed 200% even w/o Life Orb/Choice Band.

                      Needed to use Calc for this, as Talon's speed is beastly.

                      Last I remember it said no unreleased DW abilities, I don't quite know what that means. Even with Technician Cin would KO Talon.
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                      Cinccino @ Choice Band
                      Ability: Skill Link
                      Nature: Adamant
                      EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
                      - Rock Blast
                      - Bullet Seed
                      - Tail Slap
                      - U-Turn

                      Talon would OHKO w/ Brave Bird although with the way your EVs are spread, my Cinccino outspeeds your Talon by 8 points. Rock Blast is a guaranteed 200% even w/o Life Orb/Choice Band.

                      Needed to use Calc for this, as Talon's speed is beastly.

                      Last I remember it said no unreleased DW abilities, I don't quite know what that means. Even with Technician Cin would KO Talon.
                      Calc:
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                      252+ Atk Choice Band Cinccino Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 124 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 980-1160 (298.7 - 353.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
                      Just saying, Cinccino can't switch in on Talonflame, and even if it did, priority from a boosted Brave Bird can take it out. Also, Skill Link Cinccino is available because Minccino is a Friend Safari Pokemon.

                      Anyway:

                      Aggron:

                      -Rest
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                      -Heavy Slam/Iron Head
                      -Earthquake
                      Nature: Impish
                      EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
                      Item: Aggronite
                      Ability: Sturdy

                      Mega Aggron takes almost nothing from Cinccino at all, while retaliating with Heavy Slam or Iron Head.
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                        Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
                        Ability: Levitate
                        Nature: Modest
                        EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
                        - Draco Meteor
                        - Focus Blast
                        - Flamethrower
                        - Dark Pulse

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                        Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
                        Ability: Levitate
                        Nature: Modest
                        EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
                        - Draco Meteor
                        - Focus Blast
                        - Flamethrower
                        - Dark Pulse

                        "Hydreigon belongs to the special group of Pokemon that can boast they possess no true counters" -Smogon

                        ...inb4 Fairies
                        Not true this gen.

                        Azumarill:

                        -Aqua Jet
                        -Play Rough
                        -Superpower
                        -Waterfall/Return
                        Nature: Adamant
                        EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
                        Item: Choice Band
                        Ability: Huge Power

                        Walls Hydreigon with its immunity to Fairy and resistance to everything else it has, then wrecks it with Play Rough.
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                        -Amoonguss w/Black Sludge
                        Nature: Bold
                        Ability: Regenerator
                        EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Attack
                        Moves: Spore, Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Hidden Power Fire

                        Azumarill can only 4HKO this Amoonguss:
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                        252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 107-126 (24.7 - 29.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Black Sludge recovery
                        252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 120-142 (27.7 - 32.8%) -- 81.3% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
                        Amoonguss can then use Giga Drain to kill Azumarill while healing the damage it takes.
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