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Old December 16th, 2013 (5:02 PM). Edited December 16th, 2013 by Shizzable.
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    Dragalge @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Poison Point
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    -Scald
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Thunderbolt
    -Dragon Pulse

    Azumarill is really hard to counter, but it can only 2HKO Dragalge (which can 1HKO if it has Specs)




    Arcanine @ Life Orb
    Ability: Flash Fire
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef / 176 Spe
    -Flare Blitz
    -Extreme Speed
    -Wild Charge
    -Close Combat

    Arcanine can easily outspeed and burn Amoonguss to a crisp.
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    Old December 16th, 2013 (10:26 PM).
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    Swampert w/ Leftovers
    Ability: Torrent
    Nature: Relaxed
    240 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def
    ~ Stealth Rock
    ~ Waterfall
    ~ Earthquake
    ~ Toxic

    Should be able to endure a few hits from Arcanine due to its defenses, then vanish it with Waterfall and Earthquake.
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      Trait: Natural Cure
      EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
      Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
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        Ability: Iron Barbs
        EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SDef
        Brave Nature
        IVs: 0 Spd
        - Power Whip
        - Gyro Ball
        - Stealth Rock
        - Leech Seed

        Resists all of your attacks, is immune to leech seed, and can strike back hard with Gyro Ball.
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        Old December 17th, 2013 (1:07 AM).
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          Trait: Iron Fist
          EVs: 180 Atk / 76 SAtk / 252 Spd
          Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
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          - Close Combat
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          Old December 17th, 2013 (1:47 AM).
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            Ability: Levitate
            EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
            Modest Nature
            - Hydro Pump
            - Volt Switch
            - Pain Split
            - Will-O-Wisp

            A physically defensive Rotom-W can resist Infernape's special moves while also tanking the physical hits. Not to mention Infernape doesn't stand much of a chance against that Hydro Pump
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            Old December 17th, 2013 (2:29 AM).
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            Celebi w/ Leftovers
            Ability: Natural Cure
            Nature: Calm
            252 HP / 236 SpD / 20 Spe
            ~ Giga Drain
            ~ Recover
            ~ U-turn
            ~ Perish Song

            Could endure dozens of Volt Switches and Hydro Pumps, and wouldn't really matter if it ever gets burned with Will-O-Wisp as it's mainly a special-attacker (plus, it's got Natural Cure). d: With only a few Giga Drain attacks, it could defeat Rotom in an instant.
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              Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
              Trait: Technician
              EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
              Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
              - U-turn
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              -Moltres w/Leftovers
              Nature: Timid
              Ability: Pressure (not sure if you can actually get a Flame Body Moltres)
              EVs: 248 HP, 32 Defense, 228 Speed
              Moves: Roost, Substitute, Toxic, Flamethrower

              Moltres lols at 3 of Scizor's attacks, and can take a Pursuit. It can then set up a Sub, heal, then turn Scizor into charred bug bits. Or just immediately torch Scizor.
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              Old December 17th, 2013 (6:44 AM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by WinterKirby.
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                Moltres is completely unable to hit Flash Fire Chandelure, won't live long enough to Toxic stall, and is 2HKO'd by Shadow Ball and Flash Fire-boosted Fire Blast.

                252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 276-324 (72 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
                252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 267-315 (69.7 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


                Chandelure @ Choice Specs
                Ability: Flash Fire
                EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
                Modest Nature
                - Fire Blast
                - Shadow Ball
                - Energy Ball
                - Trick
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                Old December 17th, 2013 (7:01 AM).
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                EL DIABLO @ Houndoominite
                Ability: Flash Fire
                EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
                Timid Nature
                -Nasty Plot
                -Dark Pulse
                -Flamethrower
                -Hidden Power Grass

                Absorbs any fire attacks with Flash Fire before he mega evolves, then he outspeeds and basically gets an OHKO 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Chandelure: 302-356 (93.2 - 109.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO, even if he doesn't then Chandelure isn't tricking or hurting it.
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                Old December 17th, 2013 (7:16 AM).
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                -Goodra w/Assault Vest
                Nature: Modest
                Ability: Gooey
                EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Defense
                Moves: Dragon Pulse, Flamthrower, Thunderbolt, Sludge Wave

                +2 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 130-154 (33.8 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

                252+ SpA Goodra Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Houndoom: 148-175 (50.8 - 60.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

                Even at +2, Mega Houndoom can only 3HKO Goodra at best, while 2 Dragon Pulses from our slimy dragon friend can put the hell hound down.
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                Old December 17th, 2013 (7:20 AM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by WinterKirby.
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                  Ohh... I missed it again...
                  Spoiler:
                  Flygon has no problem coming in, and can safely take a Dark Pulse, as well as resisting Megadoom's other moves. Scarf Flygon then gets to outspeed with Earthquake for an OHKO.

                  252 Atk Flygon Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 300-354 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO


                  Flygon @ Choice Scarf
                  Ability: Levitate
                  EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
                  Jolly Nature
                  - Dragon Claw
                  - Earthquake
                  - Stone Edge
                  - U-turn


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                  Florges's massive 154 Base SpDef lets her absorb anything Goodra can do, with Sludge Wave being a 3HKO at best. With CM boosts under her belt, she can smack Goodra around like it's nothing.

                  252+ SpA Goodra Sludge Wave vs. 200 HP / 56 SpD Florges: 136-160 (39.1 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
                  252+ SpA Goodra Sludge Wave vs. +1 200 HP / 56 SpD Florges: 90-108 (25.9 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

                  252+ SpA Life Orb Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 190-226 (49.4 - 58.8%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
                  +1 252+ SpA Life Orb Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 283-335 (73.6 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


                  Florges (F) @ Life Orb
                  Ability: Flower Veil
                  EVs: 56 SDef / 200 HP / 252 SAtk
                  Modest Nature
                  - Moonblast
                  - Energy Ball
                  - Psychic
                  - Calm Mind
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                  Old December 17th, 2013 (8:16 AM).
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                  Metagross @Choice Band
                  EVs: 164 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spe
                  Nature: Adamant
                  - Meteor Mash
                  - Bullet Punch
                  - Hammer Arm
                  - Thunder Punch

                  Metagross can switch in on any of Florges' moves, as long as it doesn't have 6 CM boosts, and threaten to OHKO with Meteor Mash or go with Bullet Punch for an overall safer KO.

                  252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 84-99 (24.5 - 28.9%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO
                  +1 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 126-148 (36.8 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
                  +2 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 168-198 (49.1 - 57.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO
                  +3 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 209-246 (61.1 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

                  252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Florges: 680-804 (195.9 - 231.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
                  252+ Atk Choice Band Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Florges: 306-360 (88.1 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
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                    Slowbro @ Leftovers
                    Ability: Regenerator
                    EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
                    Nature: Bold
                    - Scald
                    - Thunder Wave
                    - Slack Off
                    - Fire Blast

                    Even though Metagross' Thunder Punch can 2HKO, Slowbro can cripple it with Thunder Wave, hope for a burn with Scald, or hit it with a Fire Blast. If that doesn't work, it can come out and right back in for round 2 thanks to its wonderful ability, Regenerator.
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                    Old December 17th, 2013 (1:06 PM).
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                    Not sure if Slowbro really is a counter to CB Metagross, but whatever...


                    -Vaporeon w/Lum Berry
                    Nature: Bold
                    Ability: Water Absorb
                    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
                    Moves: Scald, Toxic, Protect, Wish

                    My lovely Vaporeon. Its immune to Scald, and Fire Blast does a laughable amount of damage to it. Thunder Wave is pointless, and since Slowbro doesn't have its own Toxic, Vaporeon wins the stall war.
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                    Old December 17th, 2013 (1:10 PM).
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                    Hippowdon @ Leftovers
                    Sand Stream
                    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
                    Impish Nature
                    -Earthquake
                    -Ice Fang
                    -Slack Off
                    -Stealth Rock

                    Can take a Flare Blitz/Close Combat or two, then OHKOs back with Earthquake.
                    CB Iron Fist CC 2HKo's, its not a counter.

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                    Slowbro @ Leftovers
                    Ability: Regenerator
                    EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 SAtk
                    Nature: Bold
                    - Scald
                    - Thunder Wave
                    - Slack Off
                    - Fire Blast

                    Even though Metagross' Thunder Punch can 2HKO, Slowbro can cripple it with Thunder Wave, hope for a burn with Scald, or hit it with a Fire Blast. If that doesn't work, it can come out and right back in for round 2 thanks to its wonderful ability, Regenerator.
                    The bolded makes it moot as a counter. :/

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                    Not sure if Slowbro really is a counter to CB Metagross, but whatever...


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                    Nature: Bold
                    Ability: Water Absorb
                    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
                    Moves: Scald, Toxic, Protect, Wish

                    My lovely Vaporeon. Its immune to Scald, and Fire Blast does a laughable amount of damage to it. Thunder Wave is pointless, and since Slowbro doesn't have its own Toxic, Vaporeon wins the stall war.

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                    Modest Nature
                    Trait: Natural Cure
                    - Seed Flare
                    - Earth Power
                    - Hidden Power [Fire]
                    - Rest

                    Can switch into anything and ruin Vaporeon with STAB Seed Flare. Can also Rest off burns and Toxics.
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                      Ability: Multiscale
                      EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
                      Adamant Nature
                      - Dragon Dance
                      - Dragon Claw
                      - Earthquake
                      - Fire Punch
                      Either resists or is immune to all of Shaymin's attacks while striking back with a SE Fire Punch. Not much you can do there.
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                      CB Iron Fist CC 2HKo's, its not a counter.
                      Close Combat does not benefit from Iron Fist, despite what the animation would imply.

                      Anyway:

                      Porygon2:

                      -Ice Beam
                      -Discharge
                      -Toxic
                      -Recover
                      Nature: Bold
                      EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
                      Item: Eviolite
                      Ability: Trace

                      Porygon2 traces Dragonite's Multiscale, letting it shrug off an attack, then hits it hard with Ice Beam or cripples it with a status.
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                        Magnezone @ Choice Specs
                        Ability: Sturdy
                        Nature: Modest
                        EVs: 172 HP / 252 SAtk / 84 Spe
                        - Thunderbolt
                        - Flash Cannon
                        - Hidden Power Ice
                        - Volt Switch

                        Porygon2 can barely scratch Magnezone, as it resists dem attacks. Alos, it's immune to Toxic.
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                        Rotom-H w/Leftovers
                        Nature: Calm
                        Ability: Levitate
                        EVs: 248 HP, 8 Defense, 252 Sp.Defense
                        Moves: Overheat, Thunderbolt, Will-o-Wisp, Pain Split

                        The Easy-Bake Oven on crack hardly notices Magnezone's attacks since it resists them and has good special bulk, and can turn it to slag via Overheat, followed by a Thunderbolt to finish it.
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                          Haxorus @ Lum Berry
                          Ability: Mold Breaker
                          EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Dragon Dance
                          - Dragon Claw
                          - Earthquake
                          - Poison Jab

                          Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
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                          Old December 17th, 2013 (4:29 PM). Edited December 17th, 2013 by Nah.
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                          Haxorus @ Lum Berry
                          Ability: Mold Breaker
                          EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Dragon Dance
                          - Dragon Claw
                          - Earthquake
                          - Poison Jab

                          Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
                          Easy-Bake Oven has Levitate, so Earthquake doesn't work. However:

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                          252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Rotom-H: 148-175 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
                          0 SpA Rotom-H Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 97-115 (33.1 - 39.2%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
                          So Haxorus still wins. Just not via EQ.


                          Ignore this post.

                          ...Totally getting a Rotom-H now and naming it Easy-Bake Oven.
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                            ^Haxorus gets Mold Breaker, so earthquake will hit the easy bake oven.
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                            Haxorus @ Lum Berry
                            Ability: Mold Breaker
                            EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
                            Adamant Nature
                            - Dragon Dance
                            - Dragon Claw
                            - Earthquake
                            - Poison Jab

                            Haxorus resists all of Rotom-H's attacks and can strike back with a SE Earthquake. The lum berry is there so Haxorus isn't burned.
                            Suicune @ Leftovers
                            Ability: Pressure
                            EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
                            Bold Nature
                            - Rest
                            - Sleep Talk
                            - Surf
                            - Ice Beam

                            Physically defensive Suicune counters Haxorus very well. It can take EQ and Dragon Claws nicely, even after a DD.

                            252+ Atk Haxorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 86-102 (21.2 - 25.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
                            252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 103-123 (25.4 - 30.4%) -- 0.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

                            +1 252+ Atk Haxorus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 129-152 (31.9 - 37.6%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
                            +1 252+ Atk Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 154-183 (38.1 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

                            Then Suicune can 2HKO Haxorus with Ice Beam, even with no investment in SpA.

                            0 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 158-188 (53.9 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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