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Scope Lens Kingdra with Sticky Web support is nasty indeed. It blasts past conventional counter like Ferrothorn pretty easily. Standard Ferrothorn takes ~40% from Draco Meteor so factor in some prior damage and you can 2HKO it. If you can get run then Hydro Pump maims basically anything that isn't named Blissey or has Water Absorb. The thing is you can't bait out Draco Meteor as -6 Kingdra hits the same as regular Kingdra. It's good if supported right.

Rain Boosted Hydro Pump fries most Fairies too. Florges for example with Max HP/SpD
317 Atk vs 442 Def & 354 HP (110 Base Power): 256 - 303 (83.92% - 96.32%)

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Looks like a pretty nasty set, a couple friends were trying it out. The stat vs Florges seems especially shocking. Speaking of somewhat underrated Pokemon, has anyone been using mega Mawile? Its power is really ridiculous, it can 2HKO Skarm at +2 with Play Rough, and Sucker Punch OHKOs Max HP Heatran, Genesect, and numerous other Pokes after SR. Intimidate support, the ability to force pokes like Chansey, Mandibuzz etc out and get a SD if you predict correctly, along with decent priority and a huge power'd 105 base make it a very potent Pokemon. Obviously Sucker Punch's nature adds a bit of challenge to sweeping but in the end, Mawile is a great way to help break stall [Quagsire also 2HKOd by Play Rough with the boosts negated] and can plow through teams lategame if you predict enough or have scouted enough that the plan will work. Very good poke.

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Honestly, just the prospect of 100% crit hit rate makes my skin crawl. That sounds extremely deadly. And scary.... Kingdra has a good Special Attack rate, so Draco Meteor might be just a guaranteed 1HKO for a lot of Pokemon...
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also wolf, there was this official tournament you said you were gonna have, any spoilers or something? im p interested o/
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I didn't do so well in my last tournament, so I'm hoping to redeem myself with this one. Although, if my first battle is a hint about anything, it's not going to go well! XD
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Js, but who is dumb enough to let you set up sticky web, rain AND use Focus Energy AND then an attack move without Kingdra being either outsped, walled or killed or either rain/sticky web being removed? Tbh that situation is highly unrealistic. :/ It kind of reminds me of that silly power swap trick room shuckle set.

Ive seen a few Focus Energy users and they all seem like a silly overrated gimmick really and either die, get outsped, statused or still just flat out walled even with the crit because crits are no longer 2x and are just 1.5x which makes a huge difference.

0+ SpA Sniper Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD NEUTRAL Florges in Rain on a critical hit: 247-292 (68.6 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 236-278 (81 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Yeaaahhh....

Conclusion: Still a weak, sub par set. Still loses to Sp.Def.
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Js, but who is dumb enough to let you set up sticky web, rain AND use Focus Energy AND then an attack move without Kingdra being either outsped, walled or killed or either rain/sticky web being removed? Tbh that situation is highly unrealistic. :/ It kind of reminds me of that silly power swap trick room shuckle set.

Ive seen a few Focus Energy users and they all seem like a silly overrated gimmick really and either die, get outsped, statused or still just flat out walled even with the crit because crits are no longer 2x and are just 1.5x which makes a huge difference.

0+ SpA Sniper Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD NEUTRAL Florges in Rain on a critical hit: 247-292 (68.6 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 236-278 (81 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Yeaaahhh....

Conclusion: Still a weak, sub par set. Still loses to Sp.Def.
You forgot Sniper, 2.25x not 1.5x for a critical. The loss of Swift Swim is huge but the power gain is massive. Rain isn't too bad if you run Politoed and Kingdra has some setup opportunities as 75/95/95 bulk and two 4x resistances is pretty good. I'll say yeah sticky web is hard to keep on the field but really if you play it right you only need one turn to FE then spam high powered moves. Not to mention most things at +2 can't break Florges either. So yeah I don't think it's a killer set by any means but it's certainly not a gimmick and can be deadly if supported by the right team.

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new topic i guess:

What is the best playstyle in X/Y?

ill chime in later
Right now, it's bulky offense, IMO, given the fact that a lot of bulky Pokemon were introduced in X/Y. I still like fast offense, personally.

Also another announcement: Kangaskhanite got booted up to Ubers. I never used Mega Kangaskhan myself (though I plan to in the future), but from what I've read, it has a lot of raw power after two Power-Up Punch boosts. It also has priority in Sucker Punch to pick off any revenge killers, as well as good bulk for a sweeper.

What does anyone else think?

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With the introduction of Assault Vest and Weakness Policy, bulky offense got quite a few new toys to play with even before considering pokemon like Aegislash and Goodra are also available. As for Mega Kanga, it's really only an issue if you're stupid enough to allow it to get to +2 and don't have one of a number of possible counters for it on your team. I've never been swept by a Mega Kanga, in-fact I don't think it's actually posed much of a problem at all. I just think Smogon is getting ban-happy lately.

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So something thats basically shat upon by ghosts, steels not weak to eq, has 4mss and is easy to check/revenge kill etc has now been banned..

EDIT:

Also the best play styles are elf offense, elf defensive offense, elf stall, elf weather and elf offensive defense.
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Its only technically shat upon by Ghosts/Steels because of the 4mss, Crunch will own any Ghost and Fire Punch will own any Steel, as well as Trevenant and Gourgeist. It's not killing every Pokemon, but it's killing a lot of them, and scouting is obviously pretty dangerous in this regard since Return just rapes anything after a PuP.

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I've had a lot of success with pure offense, especially in weather like rain (Swift Swim, aww yiss). I don't think there's an overall best playstyle, but good ol' bulky offense has usually been the most popular and well-rounded. I haven't tried semi-stall or stall yet, but I hear it's better than it was in Gen 5.
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My opinion on the current topic: While I have 0 experience in the competitive field, I personally think banning Mega-Kan this early in the games life-span was a bit of a rash decision. Sometimes those Pokemon we think are OP aren't really that OP. Then again I've heard there's only 1 or 2 possible counters against it, if that's truly the case then I guess it does deserve the ban hammer.

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Current Topic: I think the ban to Mega Kangha was reasonable, although I didn't really have a problem with it, since 90% of the time it couldn't break through my physical wall. However if the wall went down early then kangha could often sweep.
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Just to change things up, what does everyone here think of the new egg moves Pokemon got with the advent of Poke Bank?

Here's the list that I can remember:
-Escavalier gained Drill Run
-Cohagrigus and Weezing gained Toxic Spikes
-Emboar gained Sucker Punch
-Klefki gained Switcheroo

And on a random note, Entei officially has Sacred Fire (Chatelaine Evelyn has one in the Battle Maison, even though a lot of people dismissed it as a cheat).

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Just to change things up, what does everyone here think of the new egg moves Pokemon got with the advent of Poke Bank?

Here's the list that I can remember:
-Escavalier gained Drill Run
-Cohagrigus and Weezing gained Toxic Spikes
-Emboar gained Sucker Punch
-Klefki gained Switcheroo

And on a random note, Entei officially has Sacred Fire (Chatelaine Evelyn has one in the Battle Maison, even though a lot of people dismissed it as a cheat).
I have to admit this is an interesting batch of new egg moves here, Drill Run can be kinda handy for Escavalier to deal with Fire-types since most are weak to Ground. Sucker Punch can have some good niche for Emboar because otherwise it usually struggled against Psychic-types, so nice to see it now has an increased priority option not only to hit them super-effectively but it can help it get around its low Speed as well.
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Loving the T-Spikes Weezing change.

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Beats up Lucario, Scizor, Excadrill, Landy etc and actually does something now bar being dead weight and brings some utility to a team.

Cohag could be decent with them too actually. With like <STAB move>/Wisp/T-Spikes/Pain Split. Seems hot. \o/
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Sacred Fire sends Entei straight to OU as far as I'm concerned. It finally gets a decent physical STAB, let alone one with a 50% burn rate. A bulky Sub + Rest Talk set would be interesting, spamming Sacred Fire all over the place and essentially crippling opposing physical offensive presence. And without running calcs, I'd say with decent Atk investment Sacred Fire would probably 2HKO most of the common clerics in the metagame.

Fun fun fun!

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Sacred Fire sends Entei straight to OU as far as I'm concerned. It finally gets a decent physical STAB, let alone one with a 50% burn rate. A bulky Sub + Rest Talk set would be interesting, spamming Sacred Fire all over the place and essentially crippling opposing physical offensive presence. And without running calcs, I'd say with decent Atk investment Sacred Fire would probably 2HKO most of the common clerics in the metagame.

Fun fun fun!
I always kept forgetting Sacred Fire was a physical move, but hey if it's gonna make Entei all that better I guess that means yeah I'm happy with it. Also, love the analysis you put into that post there.

I'm kinda happy they blessed it with a good STAB move now, even if it doesn't make Sacred Fire so "signature" anymore.
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Yay new egg moves!! I better try Cosmic power Beheeyem :D

Most pokemon got the moves they actually need, I'm so happy right now..

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Entei's typing will probably keep it in UU. Victini has an amazing STAB move in V-create, yet it has always been just a little below in usage to be considered OU. Victini also has a much better movepool and stats (100 base SAtk > Entei's 90) than Entei, with moves such as Bolt Strike, U-turn, STAB Zen Headbutt/Psyshock/Psychic, Grass Knot, Focus Miss, etc. Entei has ExtremeSpeed and Stone Edge at least. Still, Entei will definitely give Arcanine a run for its money. Both are very similar Pokemon with their own advantages, so it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top in usage.

It finally gets a decent physical STAB ...
Don't forget Flare Blitz! Flare Blitz also happens to be stronger than Sacred Fire (120 BP > 100), but that doesn't really make up for the downsides of using it over Sacred Fire.

Is a priority Flame Orb Switcheroo set on Klefki too gimmicky?

I'm thinking yes. Haven't really thought about it that much but I figured to throw it out there just to hear what you guys think.
Possibly. If only Klefki learned Psycho Shift, then that would've been fun to use...
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Entei's typing will probably keep it in UU. Victini has an amazing STAB move in V-create, yet it has always been just a little below in usage to be considered OU. Victini also has a much better movepool and stats (100 base SAtk > Entei's 90) than Entei, with moves such as Bolt Strike, U-turn, STAB Zen Headbutt/Psyshock/Psychic, Grass Knot, Focus Miss, etc. Entei has ExtremeSpeed and Stone Edge at least. Still, Entei will definitely give Arcanine a run for its money. Both are very similar Pokemon with their own advantages, so it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top in usage.


Don't forget Flare Blitz! Flare Blitz also happens to be stronger than Sacred Fire (120 BP > 100), but that doesn't really make up for the downsides of using it over Sacred Fire.
Not sure why you're comparing base SpA between the two? Entei beats Victini on the physical side by 15 points.

Fire is a far better type this gen than in previous, as it is one of the few types to resist Fairy. Added to that the apparent trend of physical > special attackers that the metagame has shifted towards, and having a 50% burn rate on a 100 base power move coming from a base 115 Atk stat.. it hurts.

Maybe I was premature in saying 'STRAIGHT TO OU!', however it certainly outperforms Arcanine IMO.

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