RMT Made a team. Not sure if it'll work online...

Started by KH Fan Bixran November 23rd, 2013 4:17 PM
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When I decided to get pokemon x, I instantly got to making my team. After several revisions, I have a final product, but I have the feeling it's not as good as I think it is.

The team is as follows:

Greninja(Preyas)@Life Orb
-Protean-
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
(Timid)
1. Surf
2. Dark Pulse
3. Ice Beam
4. U-Turn/HP Fire

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-Regenerator-
EVs:
(
1. Toxic
2. Slack Off
3.
4.

Aegislash(Iaido)@Spooky Plate
-Stance Change-
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Atk / 4 HP
(Quiet)
1. Shadow Sneak
2. Shadow Ball
3. Sacred Sword
4. Iron Head

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-Justified(Adaptability)-
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
(Adamant)
1. Close Combat
2. Bullet Punch
3. ExtremeSpeed
4. Swords Dance

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-Thick Fat-
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
(Jolly)
1. Ice Shard
2. Earthquake
3. Icicle Crash
4. Stealth Rock


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-Harvest-
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 Spe
(Impish)
1. Substitute
2. Leech Seed
3. Will-O-Wisp
4. Shadow Claw/Phantom Force


Changes in dark orchid.

Yes, three steel types. I know that might leave my team at a disadvantage, but I didn't know what else to do. Any help is appreciated. Aegislash is staying, however.

EDIT: Ok, adjusted, now, what pokemon should i look out for that could potentially get my team? Just so i know who to switch out on.

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Timid is the preferred nature for Greninja. Without it, it fails to outspeed threats like Alakazam and Dugtrio. Extrasensory may be good for in-game runs, but it's not that good competitively outside of hitting Tentacruel harder. It's a good substitute if you don't want to use U-turn and you don't have the right Hidden Power type.:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam
-U-turn/Grass Knot//Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Hasty/Timid
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Protean

Klefki shouldn't use a Naughty nature. That ruins its decent Special Defense, which it may need to take a resisted hit:
-Spikes
-Foul Play
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
-Play Rough/Dazzling Gleam
Nature: Impish/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Spikes
-Foul Play/Dazzling Gleam/Play Rough
Nature: Calm/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Light Clay
Ability: Prankster

or
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Torment
-Foul Play
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/104 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

Also, consider a Ground resist on the team, like Trevenant or Gourgeist:

Trevenant:
-Wood Hammer/Horn Leech
-Earthquake/Rock Slide
-Will-o-Wisp
-Rest
Nature: Impish/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/116 Spe or 252 HP/140 SDef/116 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Natural Cure/Harvest

or
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Phantom Force
Nature: Impish/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/116 Spe or 252 HP/140 SDef/116 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest

Gourgeist (Super Size):
-Will-o-Wisp
-Leech Seed
-Protect/Pain Split
-Seed Bomb/Shadow Sneak
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Frisk

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One question: of the pokemon on my team, who is best suited to be sent out at the beginning? I've decided to forgoe hazards, and just have everyone ready to hurt. I just dont know who to send out first. Any tips, guys?

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One question: of the pokemon on my team, who is best suited to be sent out at the beginning? I've decided to forgoe hazards, and just have everyone ready to hurt. I just dont know who to send out first. Any tips, guys?
Forgoing hazards isn't a good thing because missing out on OHKOs/2HKOs is annoying. Greninja is a good lead because its offensive pressure forces a lot of switches.

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If Aegislash is staying it needs to be reworked. One of the biggest reason to play it is Kings Shield, which activates Stance Change.

Aegislash
Adamant
252 HP/252 Attk/4 Def

Shadow Sneak
Kings Shield
Swords Dance
Iron Head/Sacred Sword

If prediction is right Shield & swords dance can lead to a good set up allowing Aegislash to get some KO's.

Aegislash needs and adamant nature to be effective as a physical attacker.
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If Aegislash is staying it needs to be reworked. One of the biggest reason to play it is Kings Shield, which activates Stance Change.

Aegislash
Adamant
252 HP/252 Attk/4 Def

Shadow Sneak
Kings Shield
Swords Dance
Iron Head/Sacred Sword

If prediction is right Shield & swords dance can lead to a good set up allowing Aegislash to get some KO's.

Aegislash needs and adamant nature to be effective as a physical attacker.
Not all Aegislash utilize King's Shield to be effective. King's Shield Aegislash has a tendency to get played around easily, so sets not using the move catch the opponent off-guard.

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If Aegislash is staying it needs to be reworked. One of the biggest reason to play it is Kings Shield, which activates Stance Change.

Aegislash
Adamant
252 HP/252 Attk/4 Def

Shadow Sneak
Kings Shield
Swords Dance
Iron Head/Sacred Sword

If prediction is right Shield & swords dance can lead to a good set up allowing Aegislash to get some KO's.

Aegislash needs and adamant nature to be effective as a physical attacker.
Well, im using aegislash as a pivot, y'know, switch in, hit hard, then switch out. Switching in does revert aegislash back to shield stance, so i can go without it.

Also, platinum, if i were to use spikes on greninja or klefki, what move should i replace on either of them?

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Well, im using aegislash as a pivot, y'know, switch in, hit hard, then switch out. Switching in does revert aegislash back to shield stance, so i can go without it.

Also, platinum, if i were to use spikes on greninja or klefki, what move should i replace on either of them?
Refer to the Spikes Greninja and Klefki sets in my first post here. If Greninja sets up Spikes, Klefki is free to use Sub + Torment. If Klefki uses Spikes, Greninja is free to use all four of its moveslots for the best possible offensive coverage. Up to you, really.

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Refer to the Spikes Greninja and Klefki sets in my first post here. If Greninja sets up Spikes, Klefki is free to use Sub + Torment. If Klefki uses Spikes, Greninja is free to use all four of its moveslots for the best possible offensive coverage. Up to you, really.
Well, i guess klefki would have a better chance to put up spikes. Might as well have him on dual screen duty.

One thing: if i were to give greninja water shuriken over surf, how would i have to change the evs and nature to work with that? Or should i just not bother?

Also, what would be a good nickname for lucario, trevenant, and azumarill? I just like to have them all with a name significant to what fits the moveset. Besides, i feel like i should give azumarill a better name than "POWER!", y'know?

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Well, i guess klefki would have a better chance to put up spikes. Might as well have him on dual screen duty.

One thing: if i were to give greninja water shuriken over surf, how would i have to change the evs and nature to work with that? Or should i just not bother?

Also, what would be a good nickname for lucario, trevenant, and azumarill? I just like to have them all with a name significant to what fits the moveset. Besides, i feel like i should give azumarill a better name than "POWER!", y'know?
Trust me, Water Shuriken is not worth it. Not only does it work off of Greninja's lower offensive stat, Greninja is reasonably fast enough not to rely on priority. It's also weak if it hits 2-3 times, which is more often than 4-5 times.

Edit: if Klefki is running Foul Play as its sole offensive move, give it a Calm nature. While this seems strange, Foul Play uses the opponent's Attack stat during damage calculation, rather than Klefki's. It also reduces confusion damage, as well as the damage Klefki takes from opposing Foul Plays.

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Outside of Aegislash getting a King's Shield hit, your team is pretty much swept by Talonflame, especially after +2. Your only option is for Lucario to come in and out-do Talonflame's priority with Extremespeed. For that reason alone, I'd consider at least forgoing Spikes for SR as your entry hazard of choice.

I'd probably look at replacing Aegislash with something like.. Mamoswine?

Spoiler:
Mamoswine @ Focus Sash
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Thick Fat
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Icicle Crash / Stone Edge

You were also looking for a lead - here it is. Pretty much guarantees SR up, and also acts as an anti lead to many Sash users - including Sticky Web Galvantula who can really do nothing to you outside of U-turn; again, giving you a free SR.

This still leaves you largely weak to Talonflame however, so if you go that route I'd look at something like Rotom-W >> Klefki. It can still provide screen support, has better bulk and can somewhat reliably check Talonflame, as well as Togekiss (as an example)


Also as I've said before, there are many spikes users that are better than Klefki (despite Prankster) - IMO its best use is either Swagger + T-Wave or dual screens. PlatinumDude gave you the set above.

Also, I like Gourgeist >> Trevenant personally, but that's your call.

EDIT: I've just noticed a few things. Hopefully what I'm suggesting doesn't constitute entirely changing your team, if so I'm sorry.

Spoiler:
I'm assuming by the team layout that you're looking for a Lucario or Aegislash sweep. Most commonly, you'll be looking for SR support to help with KO's in that regard. Here is what I am suggesting:

Greninja

Lucario > SD/LO Luke

Aegislash > Mamoswine (see: above set)

Trevenant

Azumarill > Slowbro

Klefki > Gengar (Mega)

While I believe M-Gar is overrated to an extent, its usefulness in removing checks to other pokemon can't be ignored. Slowbro w/ Regenerator is a more bulky water type than Azumarill, and while lacking the offensive prowess, you still have Greninja / Luke / Mamoswine / Gar in that regard. Trevenant / Gourgeist (whichever you choose to go with) walls opposing Azumarill hard while remaining your spin blocker. M-Gar helps remove threats including physical walls + defoggers. Slowbro w/ Toxic can essentially handle Togekiss (who won't like coming in on SR anyway) while Mamo can revenge if necessary. Greninja remains your late-game clean-up specialist.

Also, the main reason I like Gourgeist is 85/122/75 vs 85/76/82 of Trevenant, as well as Frisk allowing you to scout opposing threats to some degree.

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Outside of Aegislash getting a King's Shield hit, your team is pretty much swept by Talonflame, especially after +2. Your only option is for Lucario to come in and out-do Talonflame's priority with Extremespeed. For that reason alone, I'd consider at least forgoing Spikes for SR as your entry hazard of choice.

I'd probably look at replacing Aegislash with something like.. Mamoswine?

Spoiler:
Mamoswine @ Focus Sash
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Ability: Thick Fat
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Icicle Crash / Stone Edge

You were also looking for a lead - here it is. Pretty much guarantees SR up, and also acts as an anti lead to many Sash users - including Sticky Web Galvantula who can really do nothing to you outside of U-turn; again, giving you a free SR.

This still leaves you largely weak to Talonflame however, so if you go that route I'd look at something like Rotom-W >> Klefki. It can still provide screen support, has better bulk and can somewhat reliably check Talonflame, as well as Togekiss (as an example)


Also as I've said before, there are many spikes users that are better than Klefki (despite Prankster) - IMO its best use is either Swagger + T-Wave or dual screens. PlatinumDude gave you the set above.

Also, I like Gourgeist >> Trevenant personally, but that's your call.

EDIT: I've just noticed a few things. Hopefully what I'm suggesting doesn't constitute entirely changing your team, if so I'm sorry.

Spoiler:
I'm assuming by the team layout that you're looking for a Lucario or Aegislash sweep. Most commonly, you'll be looking for SR support to help with KO's in that regard. Here is what I am suggesting:

Greninja

Lucario > SD/LO Luke

Aegislash > Mamoswine (see: above set)

Trevenant

Azumarill > Slowbro

Klefki > Gengar (Mega)

While I believe M-Gar is overrated to an extent, its usefulness in removing checks to other pokemon can't be ignored. Slowbro w/ Regenerator is a more bulky water type than Azumarill, and while lacking the offensive prowess, you still have Greninja / Luke / Mamoswine / Gar in that regard. Trevenant / Gourgeist (whichever you choose to go with) walls opposing Azumarill hard while remaining your spin blocker. M-Gar helps remove threats including physical walls + defoggers. Slowbro w/ Toxic can essentially handle Togekiss (who won't like coming in on SR anyway) while Mamo can revenge if necessary. Greninja remains your late-game clean-up specialist.

Also, the main reason I like Gourgeist is 85/122/75 vs 85/76/82 of Trevenant, as well as Frisk allowing you to scout opposing threats to some degree.
Well, when i think about it, i dont really need klefki, so i'll just put mamoswine there. I'll take up your suggestion for slowbro, as well. What moveset for slowbro?

Also, aegislash and mega luke stay.

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