RMT Ninja Team Help!

Started by PandaShogun December 9th, 2013 6:42 AM
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I thought I would make this team for fun because I've seen a lot of greninjas and their animations are amazing! :D

So I decided to build a Ninja team, it's not for being too competitive, but somewhat competitive (battling against my friends)

[email protected] Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty / Timid Nature
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- U-turn / Water Shuriken

Shiftry @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Spd / 88 Atk / 168 SAtk
Hasty Nature
- Nature Power
- Dark Pulse
- Giga Drain/Leaf Storm
- Fake Out

[email protected] Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Def / 24 Spe
~ Baton Pass
~ Substitute
~ Protect
~ Swords Dance

[email protected] Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~ X-Scissor
~ Shadow Sneak / Shadow Claw
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Protect / Heal Block / Baton Pass

[email protected] Life Orb / Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~ Pursuit
~ Ice Shard
~ Night Slash
~ Low Sweep / Brick Break

[email protected] Toxic Orb
Ability: Toxic Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 40 Def / 224 Spe
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Protect
~ Earthquake

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Ideas:

[email protected] What should it hold?
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / Anything else doesn't matter
~ Transform
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I'm making a ninja team (I posted it on the battle center but it has yet to be approved, but I really need a quick answer to this particular question) and I want to put Shiftry in it.

However its good moves like sucker punch, seed bomb, etc. are all from Gen V move tutors so I can't get them (I can't get it from the pokemon bank either because I don't have pokemon black or white)

So should I go with a special build or stick with a physical build?

Thanks!

(Sorry mods for posting it on here but I really need a quick answer for this and no one has approved my topic at the battle center yet)
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You are right you do lack many physical moves, but there are still egg moves to help you:
here is how to run succesfully a tanky shiftry:
250+hp evs
75+attack evs
50+sp.def evs
100+ def evs
Item: leftovers
Leech seed
Bullet seed
Swagger(or amnesia)
Foul play

Alternately:
FULL STALL (special attacker)
item:leftovers
250+hpevs
100+defense
100+sp.def
50+special attack
moves:
Substitute
Leech seed
Energy ball(or l. tornado)
Dark Pulse

I am assuming you dont want another speedy sweeper because greninja and weavile are quite your best choiche
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Thanks Caius! How did you know I was going to use greninja and weavile? XD

Also, do which of the two do you recommend? :O

Thanks again!
Protean greninja, preferably sp. attacker (because you will lack one^^)
I d say teach him dark pulse, extra sensory, scald and double team, and equip him with a king's rock
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Thanks! I looked around and found out that there aren't many ninja themed pokemon so I'm going to grab weavile as well :D

Hmmm I just realized Shiftry can go boom! with an explosion! Should I put that on him? XD It's like a smoke bomb! LOL! except deadlier
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Thanks! I looked around and found out that there aren't many ninja themed pokemon so I'm going to grab weavile as well :D

Hmmm I just realized Shiftry can go boom! with an explosion! Should I put that on him? XD It's like a smoke bomb! LOL! except deadlier
assuming he is followed by a strong revenge killer, explosion is quite viable, but not recommended
reason: with my build you wont have much special attack, and explosion damage doesnt scale up with your HP.
If you really want to make a glass cannon shiftry, with explosion, you should have at least 150-200 points in special attack, thus sacrificing durability (not to mention that even with 250 evs in speed many sweepers will outspeed you...)
So honestly, leave explosion to pokemon that are more speedy or have higher base defenses or speed ;)
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Okay! Thanks! Could you give me some advice on the tanky shiftry build? I just counted the number of weaknesses it has and it's 7! D: Gosh darnit!

I was thinking, if I use sunny day and have solar beam on it, and since it has chlorophyll, would that work out well?

Thanks in advance again Caius xD
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Shiftry is too frail for any kind of support. It's better off as a Chlorophyll abuser. Note that Sucker Punch and Low Kick are Poke Bank moves (you must teach Nuzleaf/Shiftry Sucker Punch in Gen IV and Seed Bomb/Low Kick/Giga Drain in Gen IV/V):
-Leaf Storm
-Sucker Punch
-Dark Pulse
-Low Kick
Nature: Rash
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Sucker Punch
-Low Kick/Rock Slide
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Nasty Plot
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power (Ground/Rock/Fire)
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Growth/Nasty Plot
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Low Kick/Focus Blast
Nature: Naive/Timid
EVs: 76 Atk/180 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

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Shiftry is too frail for any kind of support. It's better off as a Chlorophyll abuser. Note that Sucker Punch and Low Kick are Poke Bank moves (you must teach Nuzleaf/Shiftry Sucker Punch in Gen IV and Seed Bomb/Low Kick/Giga Drain in Gen IV/V):
-Leaf Storm
-Sucker Punch
-Dark Pulse
-Low Kick
Nature: Rash
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Sucker Punch
-Low Kick/Rock Slide
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Nasty Plot
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power (Ground/Rock/Fire)
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll

or
-Growth/Nasty Plot
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Low Kick/Focus Blast
Nature: Naive/Timid
EVs: 76 Atk/180 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
I don't have Black or White so I probably can't get it through the pokemon bank ;-;
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To add, to the team, Greninja shouldn't bother with Water Shuriken at all because it's fast enough not to rely on priority and the move is weak and unreliable. Scald only sees use on defensive Pokemon, which Greninja isn't. Make do with Surf or Hydro Pump as Greninja's Water STAB.

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Do you know if your friends use Taunt? Cuz if they do, your Ninjask is Taunt & set-up bait. If not, you could leave it as is.
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Well id say remove shiftry at all... as the op said he has no availability for black or white so no tutor moves from old gens.... plus its an all ninja team so there is no real setup for clorophyll
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Well id say remove shiftry at all... as the op said he has no availability for black or white so no tutor moves from old gens.... plus its an all ninja team so there is no real setup for clorophyll
Shiftry is still viable as a mixed attacker, so don't count it out. Like what PlatinumDude said, Shiftry is best used as an all out attacker. I don't have much to say because PandaShogun and I have been exchanging PM's about Shiftry, so that's why I'm not posting sets.
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Yeah! I am going with Slayr's build on Shiftry :D
You guys have been such a great help!

I just thought of something else-- should I replace Shedinja with an imposter Ditto (kinda ninja-ish don't-cha-think?) or should I keep Shedinja?

Thanks guys once again~~~
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Hey guys, sorry for the bump but I'm running into some troubles. I just bred a Sneasel with perfect attack, speed, and HP IVs, with a Jolly nature and EV trained it for ATK and SPEED, but I just took it to terminus cave to try and obtain brick break and it can't OHKO anything D: am I doing something wrong? Or am I just not using Weavile correctly?

Thanks!
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Hey guys, sorry for the bump but I'm running into some troubles. I just bred a Sneasel with perfect attack, speed, and HP IVs, with a Jolly nature and EV trained it for ATK and SPEED, but I just took it to terminus cave to try and obtain brick break and it can't OHKO anything D: am I doing something wrong? Or am I just not using Weavile correctly?

Thanks!
One thing I learned this generation is that hyper-offensive isn't really going to cut it anymore. Defense is huge this gen, so you're not going to get a lot of OHKO's. If you're looking to sweep, it's not going to happen with Weavile. The only thing that's going to sweep this generation is set-up sweepers. You're going to be able to pluck off a couple pokemon, but not a lot.
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