RMT Critique my ghost team!

Started by PandaShogun December 23rd, 2013 10:24 AM
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Hey guys! I made a ghost team, just for fun (this is for pre-pokebank OU)

I did a battle with it:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oubeta-71792158

And here's my team:
Aegislash @ Lum Berry
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Atk
Sassy Nature
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Banette @ Banettite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Destiny Bond
- Taunt
- Shadow Sneak
- Will-O-Wisp

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Disable
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature
- Taunt
- Recover
- Confuse Ray
- Will-O-Wisp

Trevenant @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spd
Impish Nature
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Shadow Claw
- Will-O-Wisp

Froslass @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Beam


I just wanna know what can counter my team or give my team an extremely hard time. Thanks!
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PlatinumDude

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Blade Forme Aegislash's defenses are incredibly weak even with investment in defenses. I'd rather stick to Adamant with 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def, since this gives it more power behind the bat. Shield Forme Aegislash's natural defenses are high enough anyways.

Shadow Sneak is incredibly weak, even when it's used with Mega Banette's 165 Attack. Its support set should be using a Careful nature to help it take special moves more easily (admittedly, its Special Defense is decent); Will-o-Wisp can cover for the semi-exposed Defense:
-Shadow Claw/Knock Off
-Taunt
-Will-o-Wisp
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/40 Def/216 SDef
Item: Banettite
Ability: Insomnia/Frisk

Mega Banette can also go for an offensive support set to hit harder:
-Phantom Force
-Sucker Punch
-Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Brave
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
Item: Banettite
Ability: Frisk

There are better options for Sableye to use than Confuse Ray. Confusion is one of the easiest status moves to cure (simply by switching):
-Taunt
-Will-o-Wisp
-Recover
-Foul Play/Night Shade/Snarl/Confide
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/188 Def/72 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

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Thanks again platinum! I also switched out Trevenant for a tanking Dusclops, not sure if this is good or not:

Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SDef / 4 HP
Sassy Nature
- Pain Split
- Substitute
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Sneak
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Thanks again platinum! I also switched out Trevenant for a tanking Dusclops, not sure if this is good or not:

Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SDef / 4 HP
Sassy Nature
- Pain Split
- Substitute
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Sneak
No, no, and no. Dusclops is too slow for SubSplit. It's also incredibly weak. Trevenant is well-known for its staying power through Harvest + Sitrus Berry, Rest + Natural Cure, etc, despite its average bulk. It also hits harder, and therefore, it's the superior option over Dusclops. Honestly, I didn't even see Trevenant on the team, but the EV spread of 252 HP/180 Def/76 Spe lets it outspeed Tyranitar and Scizor and burn them:
-Horn Leech/Wood Hammer
-Earthquake/Rock Slide
-Will-o-Wisp
-Rest
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Natural Cure/Harvest

or
-Horn Leech
-Shadow Claw/Leech Seed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest

or
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Phantom Force (this is to help stall to get a Sitrus Berry back if Trevenant didn't do so with Harvest; it's also only resisted by Dark Pokemon)
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest

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Thanks Platinum! I'm having trouble with my banette. I always overestimate banette's survivability so I always end up using the wrong move when I should've used destiny bond. Do you know by experience how fragile mega banette is? Thanks!


EDIT: Ugh I've been messing up my froslass too! Everytime I think the other guy is faster than I am I use thunder wave so that when I hold onto my focus sash I can destiny bond the next turn. But it's always either they get paralyzed after I use destiny bond or I already outspeed them :/
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Thanks Platinum! I'm having trouble with my banette. I always overestimate banette's survivability so I always end up using the wrong move when I should've used destiny bond. Do you know by experience how fragile mega banette is? Thanks!


EDIT: Ugh I've been messing up my froslass too! Everytime I think the other guy is faster than I am I use thunder wave so that when I hold onto my focus sash I can destiny bond the next turn. But it's always either they get paralyzed after I use destiny bond or I already outspeed them :/
Haven't used Mega Banette yet, so I can't say for sure.

The main reason you're even using Froslass in the first place is for Spikes. It shouldn't try to spread status around. Sableye, Banette and Trevenant already take care of that:
-Spikes
-Taunt
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Destiny Bond/Ice Beam
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body

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Thanks guys! Now I'm using this set:

Aegislash @ Lum Berry
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 188 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature
- Taunt
- Recover
- Foul Play
- Will-O-Wisp

Froslass @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Beam

Trevenant @ Lum Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spd
Impish Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Earthquake
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest

Banette @ Banettite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Destiny Bond
- Taunt
- Protect
- Shadow Claw

However I've noticed because I'm so oriented on Destiny bond, I'm usually pitted with 1-2 pokemon by the near end of the battle. Should I include more "sweepers"?
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Just my quick opinion. Aegislash is one of the easiest Pokemon to beat. I would suggest a Duoblade to stick with the Ghost theme.

Duoblade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 80 Def / 188 Sp.D
Sassy Nature
- Protect/ Power Trick
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword, Iron Head, Night Slash etc

This is a more consistent tank rather than Aegislash who is (IMO) very easy to play around as it's pretty predictable and Stance change leaves it vulnerable to counter attacks. I've swept teams with a build very similar to this, Shadow Sneak does a great bit of damage after setting up a Swords Dance.
You can run it with Power Trick to make it's already impressive Attack even more so without really hurting it's defense.
Just my opinion, and my own experiences.

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Just my quick opinion. Aegislash is one of the easiest Pokemon to beat. I would suggest a Duoblade to stick with the Ghost theme.

Duoblade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 80 Def / 188 Sp.D
Sassy Nature
- Protect/ Power Trick
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword, Iron Head, Night Slash etc

This is a more consistent tank rather than Aegislash who is (IMO) very easy to play around as it's pretty predictable and Stance change leaves it vulnerable to counter attacks. I've swept teams with a build very similar to this, Shadow Sneak does a great bit of damage after setting up a Swords Dance.
You can run it with Power Trick to make it's already impressive Attack even more so without really hurting it's defense.
Just my opinion, and my own experiences.
Doublade is outclassed by Aegislash in OU. Even with Eviolite, its Special bulk is terrible. As I mentioned, Aegislash doesn't HAVE to use King's Shield to be effective.

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I understand, I mainly play WiFi so I'm not that familiar with the whole Tier System.

I just find Aegislash too predictable. As soon as someone predicts your stance change you're getting hurt...bad. The set I gave was more of an Aegislash counter rather than a stand alone really. Again all my opinion I just prefer using Duoblade for consistency in its stats.