The Franchise Machine

Started by Dragon January 2nd, 2014 11:04 AM
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Let's say I gave you a device that allowed you to put an end on a gaming franchise, as in, after you used it, the franchise would no longer continue.

What video game franchise would you use this device on? As in, what gaming franchises would you like to see put to rest? Feel free to share any and all thoughts~


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Breath of Fire. For the love of god Capcom, what are you thinking with that atrocity?
I'll one-up that and say Mega Man.

I'll avoid the obvious answers. As much as I love Uncharted, you seriously can't do much with the formula without a major overhaul. Instead of getting excited for Uncharted 4 all I thought was "really?" and just kept thinking about how it won't be as good as UC2 anyway. Also, I honestly think Little Big Planet should just die.

Halo as well. I do NOT like the way 343i is treating the franchise. Halo 4 was terrible. Halo 3 was the last good game (and god damn was it good) but the series was going seriously downhill afterwards. Just when you thought they hit rock bottom with Reach, they release Halo 4....yeah. Destiny looks pretty much like Halo with its combat evolved anyway, so us fans will get our fill. (excuse the pun, I couldn't help it.)

Resident Evil...I wouldn't put it here normally, since 5 wasn't bad and 6 was the only mediocre game, but after reading the whole collaboration with fashion magazines that Capcom is going for and how they just publicly stated they're aiming for teenagers as their target audience just screams NO.

I'm honestly also getting tired of 3D Zelda. The direction they're going for these days is off putting. Personally, I only liked OoT of the 3D entries (I actually liked Skyward Sword too, but only because of the awesome combat and dungeon design, everything else sucked), so I'm not particularly into the series. But I wouldn't want the series to die, just for the team to make maybe one more 2D Zeldas (Since ALBW was great) and apply what made them very good to the 3D series. Or basically, OoT2.

The only milked series I can think of that SHOULDN'T be put off is Mario. (Mainline Mario at least) NSMBU/NSLU is the best 2D Mario and 3D World is a serious contender for Game of the Year (as much as I don't really like it) the series is clearly still going strong.

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I'll one-up that and say Mega Man.

I'll avoid the obvious answers. As much as I love Uncharted, you seriously can't do much with the formula without a major overhaul. Instead of getting excited for Uncharted 4 all I thought was "really?" and just kept thinking about how it won't be as good as UC2 anyway. Also, I honestly think Little Big Planet should just die.

Halo as well. I do NOT like the way 343i is treating the franchise. Halo 4 was terrible. Halo 3 was the last good game (and god damn was it good) but the series was going seriously downhill afterwards. Just when you thought they hit rock bottom with Reach, they release Halo 4....yeah. Destiny looks pretty much like Halo with its combat evolved anyway, so us fans will get our fill. (excuse the pun, I couldn't help it.)

Resident Evil...I wouldn't put it here normally, since 5 wasn't bad and 6 was the only mediocre game, but after reading the whole collaboration with fashion magazines that Capcom is going for and how they just publicly stated they're aiming for teenagers as their target audience just screams NO.

I'm honestly also getting tired of 3D Zelda. The direction they're going for these days is off putting. Personally, I only liked OoT of the 3D entries (I actually liked Skyward Sword too, but only because of the awesome combat and dungeon design, everything else sucked), so I'm not particularly into the series. But I wouldn't want the series to die, just for the team to make maybe one more 2D Zeldas (Since ALBW was great) and apply what made them very good to the 3D series. Or basically, OoT2.

The only milked series I can think of that SHOULDN'T be put off is Mario. (Mainline Mario at least) NSMBU/NSLU is the best 2D Mario and 3D World is a serious contender for Game of the Year (as much as I don't really like it) the series is clearly still going strong.
Don't wanna derail the thread, but that was Twilight Princess. And despite the hate that it gets, that was easily the Best 3D Zelda since Majora's Mask. If we're talking bout straight up OoT2 in the same vein as LBW, oh god no. Hyrule is too small, there's not much you can do to remix the OW, and in terms of the timeline there is nothing they can do. Again, sorry for derailing the thread, but OoT2 has happened.

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I meant OoT2 in the sense that there should be no padding, or handholding, or mandatory fetch quests, but I don't really want a straight sequel. OoT is the only 3D Zelda with good pacing imo (haven't played Majora's Mask), so I want them to get back to that. Twilight Princess has awesome dungeons, I'll give it that, but everything else was eh if you ask me.
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As fond of memories as I have of the early installments, Lego. There actually used to be creative level designs, funny cutscenes, and recognizable yet simple characters. Ever since maybe Lego Harry Potter (or maybe the second Indiana Jones one), though, it's just been way too close to the original IPs. It took me over a year to beat Lego Harry Potter: Years 1-4 because I just didn't give a crap.

Also, Mario & Sonic (the Olympic Games series). Has anyone honestly cared past the first one? Same with Katamari.

I'm getting a little tired of Phantasy Star, too, and I think it's time for Kingdom Hearts to start wrapping up.

I'm honestly also getting tired of 3D Zelda. The direction they're going for these days is off putting. Personally, I only liked OoT of the 3D entries (I actually liked Skyward Sword too, but only because of the awesome combat and dungeon design, everything else sucked), so I'm not particularly into the series. But I wouldn't want the series to die, just for the team to make maybe one more 2D Zeldas (Since ALBW was great) and apply what made them very good to the 3D series. Or basically, OoT2.
I'm okay with ALBW since that's an actually new entry. But damn, I've had enough of those remakes.

The only milked series I can think of that SHOULDN'T be put off is Mario. (Mainline Mario at least) NSMBU/NSLU is the best 2D Mario and 3D World is a serious contender for Game of the Year (as much as I don't really like it) the series is clearly still going strong.
I'm not wild about NSMBU from what I've played, and SM3DW looks mid-tier, but I'm not ready to give up on the franchise yet. Actually, I'd like another full 3D one a la Galaxy (but not "Galaxy 3").
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Im quite suprised im the only one who said EA, since they did some really horrible things aswell, even worse than CoD imo.
You're not the only one who thinks this, but EA isn't really a series.
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Sonic the Hedgehog. I think we can all agree here that his more recent games haven't been very good. IMO, the last truly good Sonic game was Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (which is just the Gamecube port of Sonic Adventure 2). And that was over 12 years ago. If Sega/Sonic Team doesn't make a good Sonic game soon, they should just stick a bullet in him and be done with it. I understand companies wanting to milk a franchise, but when you milk, try to produce high-quality milk.
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Sonic the Hedgehog. I think we can all agree here that his more recent games haven't been very good. IMO, the last truly good Sonic game was Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (which is just the Gamecube port of Sonic Adventure 2). And that was over 12 years ago. If Sega/Sonic Team doesn't make a good Sonic game soon, they should just stick a bullet in him and be done with it. I understand companies wanting to milk a franchise, but when you milk, try to produce high-quality milk.
Disagree. Both Sonic Generations and Colors were way, way, way better than either Sonic Adventure games. In fact, I'd go as far to say the Sonic Adventure games are absolutely terrible. Before Colors, the series has been on a decline after Sonic 3.

But, only Colors and Generations were any good. Lost Worlds ended up being pretty bad, so I can't say I disagree on Sonic being on this. Although, Lost Worlds problem is its lack of focus. If it was more polished and focused, it would have been pretty great, so there's that...

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I'd make NFS burn in hell, unless they reveal Underground 2 style customization in the game after Rivals. Battlefield 4 also can go to hell. That game is horrid, terrible, sickening. Not because of the gore, but because of the story. In general, Battlefield SUCKS.


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Disagree. Both Sonic Generations and Colors were way, way, way better than either Sonic Adventure games. In fact, I'd go as far to say the Sonic Adventure games are absolutely terrible. Before Colors, the series has been on a decline after Sonic 3.

But, only Colors and Generations were any good. Lost Worlds ended up being pretty bad, so I can't say I disagree on Sonic being on this. Although, Lost Worlds problem is its lack of focus. If it was more polished and focused, it would have been pretty great, so there's that...
My main point still stands. A lot of Sonic's games haven't been great, and Sega/Sonic Team have yet to consistently put out good Sonic games. Which ones are good and when exactly the decline started depends, as always, on everyone's individual opinions.

Although, tbh, I haven't played Colors.
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Lego and Angry Birds, hands down. Lego games have never been good, while Angry Birds started bad and just keeps getting worse with every game they come out with. Actually, both have been having a terrible track record of coming out with games that aren't even their own games; they're just really bad crossovers with other franchises that (in and of themselves) weren't that great to begin with (i.e. Star Wars).
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My main point still stands. A lot of Sonic's games haven't been great, and Sega/Sonic Team have yet to consistently put out good Sonic games. Which ones are good and when exactly the decline started depends, as always, on everyone's individual opinions.

Although, tbh, I haven't played Colors.

eh, depending on who you talk to they havn't made a bad game since Unleashed. Granted, not everybody likes what they did in Lost World, but I wouldn't consider the game bad by any stretch. Of course, this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoyed both Unleashed and Sonic and the Black Knight, so maybe I'm just more forgiving when it comes to games. I'd rather see Sega do something different and fail (slightly), then churn out the same safe game, year after year after year.

Call of Duty is the obvious whipping boy, and really anything that can be discussed about it is generally well known. I'd argue that returning to it's roots might save it, but eh, that won't make them much money.

I think one series that should stay done is Soul Blade/Soul Calibur. I guess this could hold true to other fighting franchises, but Soul Calibur in particular has just lost it's spark. I think the last time I enjoyed the frachise was Soul Calibur III, I tolerated 4, and I didn't particularly enjoy 5. The PsP title was meh.

I guess, another series I would like to see taken out to the shed would be Castlevania, at least in it's current rebooted state. I didn't really despise it. It's just not nearly as good as some of the previous entries, and Castlevania just doesn't really work in 3D without feeling like it's borrowing from other games. Lords of Shadow really didn't have anything new to bring to the table, and I don't feel like it's sequel will change anything. It also didn't help that the 2D game they did release under the new branding was just dreadful.

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Call of Duty, no question about that. Extremely overrated by critics.

Im quite suprised im the only one who said EA, since they did some really horrible things aswell, even worse than CoD imo.
Even though this thread isn't about a company, I agree. As good as some EA games are, their greed often consumes their ability to make quality products.
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This isn't a franchise, but I'd like to put the kibosh on spin-off movie games, i.e. games based on movie series but not tied to any specific film. Once in a while I find a movie game I enjoy, like Cars and Madagascar, but as for the ones like Madagascar Karts or whatever... I mean, are they really necessary? In my experience they've always felt profoundly half-a*sed.

Of course, this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoyed both Unleashed and Sonic and the Black Knight, so maybe I'm just more forgiving when it comes to games.
It's both possible and defensible to simply have a different taste in games within a franchise, rather than to simply like each of them more than the average player does by a certain amount, you know. I love Shadow the Hedgehog for a number of reasons, but I don't think Sonic Adventure 2 or Sonic Generations are anything to write home about, although they're certainly solid.

I'd rather see Sega do something different and fail (slightly), then churn out the same safe game, year after year after year.
This is honestly the main reason I've stuck with the series and defend it so.

Although, Lost Worlds problem is its lack of focus. If it was more polished and focused, it would have been pretty great, so there's that...
Really? I mean, I don't mean to discount your opinion, but what's far and away most often called out about it is the physics, specifically the parkour mechanic. The visuals, in contrast, are said (and I agree) to be among the most pleasing on the Wii U. (Although maybe this isn't what you meant by "polished.")

But, only Colors and Generations were any good. Lost Worlds ended up being pretty bad, so I can't say I disagree on Sonic being on this.
You'd pull the plug on a franchise for it coming out with one bad game after two you liked, even when those had been immediately preceded by dozens you hated? Wow, you're cynical. ^_^

What really gets me is when people say Sonic Lost World and Sonic Colors are ripoffs of Super Mario Galaxy, when Mad Space from Sonic Adventure 2 did it years earlier.
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Saying CoD needs to die is like saying you want Madden to go away. It's not going to happen until the money making makes a steep decline. Honestly I'd only want CoD to go so all the complaining that it needs to die can end already. That's honestly more annoying than the games themselves.

I think Halo needs to go though. After 3 the series kinda began to go down the toilet, especially after Bungie handed it over to Microsoft themselves. If you ask me, I thought 4 was awful.