RMT 2nd Team

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Flushed

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Seen November 4th, 2017
Posted May 18th, 2017
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Wanted to try a team using more standard Pokemon. Still not the most standard looking team, but on paper it looks all right to me. I really don't like using Amoonguss, but I need some sort of wall that can fend off water attacks. And random Rain Dance was b/c I had no idea what to put there, and it helps with fire against Scizor. Any feedback appreciated.

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef (or Speed?)
Adamant Nature
- Defog
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance

Crawdaunt @ Life Orb (will be replaced by Sheer Force Feraligatr if ever released)
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Crunch
- Swords Dance
- Superpower

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Bulk Up
- Roost

Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Calm Nature
- Spore
- Stun Spore
- Giga Drain
- Rain Dance

Rhyperior @ Choice Band
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn
- Avalanche

Gengar @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp

PlatinumDude

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Posted May 30th, 2020
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Defog Scizor should look like this; it needs the recovery in Roost:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch/Knock Off
-Defog
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/84 Atk/172 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Scizorite
Ability: Technician

Water/Dark have good coverage together already, so Crawdaunt can get away with using only its STAB moves:
-Swords Dance
-Crab Hammer
-Knock Off
-Aqua Jet
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Mystic Water/Splash Plate
Ability: Adaptability

Swords Dance gives Talonflame a bigger boost in Attack; a Bulk Up set plays a lot differently than a Swords Dance set would:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Taunt/Substitute
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/176 SDef/84 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

It should be noted that Rain Dance hampers Talonflame's Flare Blitz. I know that it helps against Scizor's Fire weakness, but an outright Fire resist like Wash Rotom is better:
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split/Rest
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Chesto Berry

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split/Thunderbolt
Nature: Modest
EVs: 228 HP/60 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Thunderbolt
-Trick
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

I don't think Rhyperior is a good choice in OU because of its common weaknesses. Sure, Solid Rock compensates, but Water and Grass commonly target Rhyperior's lower Special Defense stat. Tyranitar is still a better Choice Bander in this regard, even though it summons Sandstorm (though it's temporary):
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream

Gengar must always use a Timid nature; otherwise it's outsped by stuff like Keldeo and Terrakion:
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-Focus Blast
-Thunderbolt/Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Pain Split/Focus Blast
-Disable/Will-o-Wisp/Focus Blast
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge

Flushed

never eat raspberries

Seen November 4th, 2017
Posted May 18th, 2017
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Defog Scizor should look like this; it needs the recovery in Roost:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch/Knock Off
-Defog
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/84 Atk/172 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Scizorite
Ability: Technician

Water/Dark have good coverage together already, so Crawdaunt can get away with using only its STAB moves:
-Swords Dance
-Crab Hammer
-Knock Off
-Aqua Jet
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Mystic Water/Splash Plate
Ability: Adaptability

Swords Dance gives Talonflame a bigger boost in Attack; a Bulk Up set plays a lot differently than a Swords Dance set would:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Taunt/Substitute
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/176 SDef/84 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

It should be noted that Rain Dance hampers Talonflame's Flare Blitz. I know that it helps against Scizor's Fire weakness, but an outright Fire resist like Wash Rotom is better:
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split/Rest
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Chesto Berry

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split/Thunderbolt
Nature: Modest
EVs: 228 HP/60 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Thunderbolt
-Trick
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

I don't think Rhyperior is a good choice in OU because of its common weaknesses. Sure, Solid Rock compensates, but Water and Grass commonly target Rhyperior's lower Special Defense stat. Tyranitar is still a better Choice Bander in this regard, even though it summons Sandstorm (though it's temporary):
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream

Gengar must always use a Timid nature; otherwise it's outsped by stuff like Keldeo and Terrakion:
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-Focus Blast
-Thunderbolt/Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Pain Split/Focus Blast
-Disable/Will-o-Wisp/Focus Blast
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge
Thanks for the feedback.

Wasn't at all sure what the Scizor set should look like, so that helps.

Would Crawdaunt prefer Waterfall over Crabhammer though?

And something that I forgot was Assault Vest Rhyperior. Some people said they've had success with that, and with Solid Rock, I'd like to think it can tank some hits. Rotom is an ideal option for Amoonguss, but idk, subbing for Rotom and TTar makes this team look extremely standard. I know that's what wins games though, so I'll try to tinker with it and sub one or both of those guys in.

PlatinumDude

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Seen July 31st, 2020
Posted May 30th, 2020
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Thanks for the feedback.

Wasn't at all sure what the Scizor set should look like, so that helps.

Would Crawdaunt prefer Waterfall over Crabhammer though?

And something that I forgot was Assault Vest Rhyperior. Some people said they've had success with that, and with Solid Rock, I'd like to think it can tank some hits. Rotom is an ideal option for Amoonguss, but idk, subbing for Rotom and TTar makes this team look extremely standard. I know that's what wins games though, so I'll try to tinker with it and sub one or both of those guys in.
Crab Hammer, despite its lower accuracy than Waterfall, is the preferred option over Waterfall. Crab Hammer's power was increased to 100 in X/Y, making it Crawdaunt's most powerful attack.

Goodra and Metagross are better users of Assault Vest, iMO:

Goodra:
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast/Dragon Tail
Nature: Modest/Quiet
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SAtk
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

Metagross:
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Zen Headbutt/Bullet Punch
-Pursuit/Ice Punch/Thunder Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body