Bubonic

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Thanks for taking some time to check this thread out and possibly help me. I'm new to Pokecommunity so bare with me. I'm nearly finished(Update: I have beat the elite four finally =)) with the game and would like to begin breeding a team of six Pokemon but I'm completely inexperienced with how to approach it. I've already decided on what six Pokemon I wan't in my party for the most part. I'm mainly doing this for fun and because I like the Pokemon, so don't think I'm trying to make a super competitive team out of them. I still wan't them to be the best they can be for what they are and be happy with the Pokemon I've chosen. I would love any help/advice on what natures to use as well as which two stats to concentrate my EV training on for each of the ones I've picked. Move set recommendations are also appreciated and feel free to recommend other Pokemon because I'm open minded and I'll take advice where I can get it. So lets begin with the main six I'm considering.

Garchomp: Dragon/Ground
Nature/Jolly
Ability/Rough Skin
Item/Eviolite
Spec/252 Atk & Spd

-Swords Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Heat Rotom: Electric/Fire
Nature/Calm
Ability/Levitate
Item/Leftovers
Spec/252 Hp & SpD

-Overheat
-Thunderbolt
-Thunder Wave
-Will-O-Wisp

Greninja: Water/Dark
Nature/Hasty
Ability/Protean
Item/Expert Belt
Spec/252 SpA & Spd

-Dark Pulse
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-U Turn

Skarmory: Steel/Flying
Nature/Careful
Item/Leftovers
Spec/252 Hp & SpD

-Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Brave Bird

Alakazam: Psychic
Nature/Timid
Ability/Magic Guard
Item/Life Orb
Spec/252 SpA & Spd

-Psyshock
-Dazzling Gleam
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast

Medicham: Fighting/Psychic
Nature/Adamant
Ability/Pure Power
Item/Medichamite
Spec/252 Atk & Spd

I'm really considering using Gengar because hes awesome, but I'm not sure who I'd replace him with.

Other Pokemon I love and would consider for the team:

Aegislash
Sharpedo
Tyrantrum
Sylveon
Umbreon
Espeon
Gyarados
Malamar
Solrock/Lunatone
Steelix
Drapion
Chandelure
Conkeldurr
Scizor

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Salamence has a harder time in OU nowadays because of all the Fairies running around, but if you insist:
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

Regular Houndoom won't cut it anymore this generation. Its Mega form, on the other hand, should be used:
-Fire Blast
-Dark Pulse/Destiny Bond
-Solar Beam/Hidden Power (Ground/Fighting)
-Sunny Day/Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire

Zoroark suffers from the same problem that Salamence has. Greninja is the ideal Dark Pokemon to use; though it has a Fairy and Fighting weakness, Protean can circumvent this:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam/Dark Pulse
-Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
-U-turn/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Hasty/Timid
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Protean

or
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam
-U-turn/Extrasensory
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

Skarmory is best used with this set. It's been known for its physical walling capabilities since G/S/C:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Brave Bird/Defog
Nature: Impish/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef or 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

Espeon is a viable Pokemon, but it has to use Magic Bounce so that it's not outclassed in OU:
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Psychic
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Baton Pass
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay
Ability: Magic Bounce

or
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Shadow Ball/Hidden Power (Fire/Ground)
-Dazzling Gleam
-Grass Knot/Shadow Ball
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
Ability: Magic Bounce

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For Machamp, this is probably your best option:

-Machamp w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 212 HP, 252 Attack, 44 Speed
Moves: Dynamic Punch, Stone Edge, Bulk Up/Substitute, Poison Jab/Bullet Punch

I tried to make it so there are no PokeBank only moves, in case you don't have Black2/White2 or if Nintendo decides to release the Bank a million years from now (so no Thunder/Ice Punch).
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I know that you've already decided what Pokémon you want on your team, but if you like, though, you could still try replacing Skarmory with Forretress. It may not have access to any recovery moves like Skarmory, but at least it's able to Rapid Spin.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Volt Switch
- Gyro Ball / Hidden Power Ice

If you wish to use it as a lead, then you should probably go with this set:

Forretress @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Lax
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes
- Explosion
- Gyro Ball / Rapid Spin

Bubonic

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@PlatinumDude:
Thanks for your lengthy recommendation, I greatly appreciate it! I do like your Greninja recommendation and its ironic because that's the pokemon I chose on my playthrough. Couple questions I'd like to shoot your way, hope you don't mind!
1) So people are using a lot of Fairy types in competitive battles?
2) What does OU mean?
3) What are your thoughts on trading out Zoroark for Umbreon and Espeon for maybe Gengar? Or would salamence be a better one to trade out for something?

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@No Chance Without Zekrom:
Thanks for helpin out with Machamp, I've always loved him. Don't really know what you mean by the Pokebank moves but I'll look into it!
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@Nymphadora:
I've never really given Forretress any thought. Pretty interesting pokemon. So you favor Forretress over Skarmory and the Rapid Spin is a favorable move I'm guessing? Thanks for helping!
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@PlatinumDude:
Thanks for your lengthy recommendation, I greatly appreciate it! I do like your Greninja recommendation and its ironic because that's the pokemon I chose on my playthrough. Couple questions I'd like to shoot your way, hope you don't mind!
1) So people are using a lot of Fairy types in competitive battles?
2) What does OU mean?
3) What are your thoughts on trading out Zoroark for Umbreon and Espeon for maybe Gengar? Or would salamence be a better one to trade out for something?
1. Fairy Pokemon are somewhat commonplace. Some Dragons struggle to deal with them, like Salamence.
2. OU means Overused. That's the standard environment in competitive battling
3. As I said before, use Greninja instead of Zoroark. Dragon Pokemon that are still viable include Dragonite, Mega Charizard X and Garchomp:

Dragonite:
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Extreme Speed
-Fire Punch/Thunder Punch/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale

Charizard X:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake/Roost
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 248 HP/84 SDef/176 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

Garchomp:
-Swords Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Yache Berry

or
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Fire Fang/Fire Blast
-Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf/Choice Band

Bubonic

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@PlatinumDude:
Garchomp is a pretty cool Pokemon and I've always been a fan of Dragonite. Only reason I picked Zoroark is because its a cool lookin pokemon but thats not always a reason to have em on your team so I guess he can get the boot. Thanks for answering my questions. Also, I added more Pokemon considerations if you think I should use one of them!
1. Fairy Pokemon are somewhat commonplace. Some Dragons struggle to deal with them, like Salamence.
2. OU means Overused. That's the standard environment in competitive battling
3. As I said before, use Greninja instead of Zoroark. Dragon Pokemon that are still viable include Dragonite, Mega Charizard X and Garchomp:!

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I've changed up my 'seal team six' Pokemon party quite a bit since I first posted. I got rid of Salamence, Zoroark, and Espeon. I've also thrown in the natures, items, and specs I'm going to use. I'll be adding the desired move sets as well once I get around to it. So does my team seem balanced enough to you guys? Also, I'm trying to have a unique and original team, so I hope you think they are cool Pokemon too!
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Get rid of Machamp for Medicham. Here's why:

Mega Medicham's max attack stat with 31 IVs, 252 EVs, and a beneficial nature is 328. It's ability is pure power, which doubles it's attack stat, making that 328 into 656.

(Mega) Medicham:
-Powerup Punch
-Zen Headbutt
-Ice Punch/Thunder Punch
-Fire Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
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Well, if you had to use Mega Medicham (Which I would highly recommend), perhaps you could switch out Houndoom for Volcarona. You could run a set like:

Volcarona @ Life Orb
Nature:Modest or Timid
EVs: 252 SpAtk, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Moves: Fiery Dance, Quiver Dance, Bug Buzz, Hurricane/Other
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Skarmory's nature should be Impish, and should hold either Leftovers or a Shed Shell.

When I said PokeBank only moves, there are some moves that are only available to Pokemon via move tutors, which exist in Black2/White2, but not X/Y (ok there's the ones for Draco Meteor, the starter hyper beams, and Relic Song/Secret Sword, but still). So you'd need the PokeBank for the Pokemon to know those moves.

But as it turns out, you can breed Thunder Punch and Ice Punch onto a Machamp in X/Y.
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Skarmory's nature should be Impish, and should hold either Leftovers or a Shed Shell.

When I said PokeBank only moves, there are some moves that are only available to Pokemon via move tutors, which exist in Black2/White2, but not X/Y (ok there's the ones for Draco Meteor, the starter hyper beams, and Relic Song/Secret Sword, but still). So you'd need the PokeBank for the Pokemon to know those moves.

But as it turns out, you can breed Thunder Punch and Ice Punch onto a Machamp in X/Y.
Skarmory can also be played with a specially defensive spread to better take advantage of its special resistances.

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@porcheesi:
I actually like your recommendation very much because I think the Mega Evolutions are awesome and Medichams abilities/stats seem great. I do love Machamp very much though, but having another psychic in the mix would be cool. Thanks for your time!
Get rid of Machamp for Medicham.
@Draven1234:
Do you think the team would still function alright with Houndoom? I personally think hes a bad ass Pokemon. I've actually never seen/heard of Volcarona until you mentioned it. Very interesting Pokemon and I'll put some thought into it.
Well, if you had to use Mega Medicham (Which I would highly recommend), perhaps you could switch out Houndoom for Volcarona.
@No Chance Without Zekrom:
Impish with leftovers sounds good to me, thanks.
Skarmory's nature should be Impish, and should hold either Leftovers or a Shed Shell.
@PlatinumDude:
I am planning on using him defensively. I could probably use a different and/or better defensive pokemon but Skarmory is cool. I keep saying 'cool' so forgive me but there has to be an element of fun involved. Got a moveset for Skar that you'd recommend that compliments my party?
Skarmory can also be played with a specially defensive spread to better take advantage of its special resistances.
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@Bubonic
I also believe that Mega Houndoom is a very effective and awesome looking pokemon. The Problem is that if you are playing 6 vs 6 battles, having two mega stone in your party isn't the most effective way to use your item slots, as you can only Mega Evolve once per battle. Therefore if you want the best team possible for 6 vs 6, choosing between Machoke and Mega Medicham is a must. Then if you choose Mega Medicham, I would recommend Volcarona, because like PlatinumDude said, regular Houndoom doesn't cut it in OU tiers. However, in 3 vs 3 battles, or typical "casual" battles online, 2 mega stones would be ok, just don't use the two Megas together too much. Also, your Greninja and Houndoom are both Super-Effective to Fighting (Unless Greninja has the Protean ability, which is HIGHLY recommended), making the Volcarona & Mega Medicham combo potentially much better.
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@Draven1234:
Oh okay. That really cleared things up for me. So in the rated battles, I won't be able to use but one megastone for my whole line up? Also, do you think Volcarona is the best fire based replacement for Houndooms spot? Is there any other Pokemon you would recommend for that opening?

@Bubonic
I also believe that Mega Houndoom is a very effective and awesome looking pokemon. The Problem is that if you are playing 6 vs 6 battles, having two mega stone in your party isn't the most effective way to use your item slots, as you can only Mega Evolve once per battle. Therefore if you want the best team possible for 6 vs 6, choosing between Machoke and Mega Medicham is a must. Then if you choose Mega Medicham, I would recommend Volcarona, because like PlatinumDude said, regular Houndoom doesn't cut it in OU tiers. However, in 3 vs 3 battles, or typical "casual" battles online, 2 mega stones would be ok, just don't use the two Megas together too much. Also, your Greninja and Houndoom are both Super-Effective to Fighting (Unless Greninja has the Protean ability, which is HIGHLY recommended), making the Volcarona & Mega Medicham combo potentially much better.
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@Bubonic
Honestly, there isn't many Fire types viable using outside of a sun team. Such as Charizard, who isn't effective without his megastone(s). But I'd say Volcarona is a good choice, as he fits a very similar niche to Mega Houndoom, that being a Special Sweeper with decent bulk. Also, you could use Talonflame, who is also an effective choice, but I would have to think of a good set for him, as my experience is limited. And really, you don't even need a fire type if you dont want. You could use a Poke like Aegislash, if some of your other Pokes have fire moves
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@Bubonic
Honestly, there isn't many Fire types viable using outside of a sun team. Such as Charizard, who isn't effective without his megastone(s). But I'd say Volcarona is a good choice, as he fits a very similar niche to Mega Houndoom, that being a Special Sweeper with decent bulk. Also, you could use Talonflame, who is also an effective choice, but I would have to think of a good set for him, as my experience is limited. And really, you don't even need a fire type if you dont want. You could use a Poke like Aegislash, if some of your other Pokes have fire moves

There's enough viable fire types that operate fine without Sun. It just depends on what you can get. There's Heatran, Infernape, Blaziken, Charizard's Mega forms, Volcarona, Talonflame, and Rotom-H.


Draven's Volcarona set is the way to go, but Hurricane is a bit iffy due to its accuracy outside of rain. Personally, I like Giga Drain on it, but that's a Black2/White2 move tutors move, so you can't get that until the PokeBank comes out...whenever that'll be.


As for Talonflame:


-Talonflame w/Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 40 HP, 252 Attack, 212 Speed
Moves: Flare Blitz, Brave Bird, U-Turn, Roost/Tailwind
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There's enough viable fire types that operate fine without Sun. It just depends on what you can get. There's Heatran, Infernape, Blaziken, Charizard's Mega forms, Volcarona, Talonflame, and Rotom-H.


Draven's Volcarona set is the way to go, but Hurricane is a bit iffy due to its accuracy outside of rain. Personally, I like Giga Drain on it, but that's a Black2/White2 move tutors move, so you can't get that until the PokeBank comes out...whenever that'll be.


As for Talonflame:


-Talonflame w/Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 40 HP, 252 Attack, 212 Speed
Moves: Flare Blitz, Brave Bird, U-Turn, Roost/Tailwind

Yeah, I realize there are some viable fire types, just not a lot, as Heatran and Infernape may be quite difficult to obtain, especially without PokeBank Worldwide. Also, I do agree that Giga Drain is a really good coverage move to stop Water types, Ground,etc but it will be once again, be quite difficult to obtain. Also Bubonic, scratch what I said about using Aegislash, as it isn't good having two steel types, with Fire being a very popular coverage move.
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@No Chance Without Zekrom & Draven1234:

I'm interested in Blaziken, Volcarona, and Heat Rotom. Which of the three should I go with guys? Oh by the way, I chose Froakie as my starter Pokemon so that means I can catch Moltres! If I save my game before fighting moltres, can't I catch him and check his IV's and nature over and over until I get a good one?

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@No Chance Without Zekrom & Draven1234:

I'm interested in Blaziken, Volcarona, and Heat Rotom. Which of the three should I go with guys? Oh by the way, I chose Froakie as my starter Pokemon so that means I can catch Moltres! If I save my game before fighting moltres, can't I catch him and check his IV's and nature over and over until I get a good one?
Honestly, I'd say any of the three you mentioned above are good options, as they all can play effectively in an OU tier. However, Moltres isn't a good option, as he loses half his health to Stealth Rock and his Speed is average at best for the role he would provide. Therefore, If you had to use a fire-flying type, Talonflame is the better option, featuring great speed to benefit his good attack stat, making him a better Sweeper (despite being a physical one compared to a special) overall.
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All of those are good pokes, but they serve different functions. As much as I love Blaziken and Volcarona, Easy Bake Oven Rotom-H is probably the better fit for your team, to give you something that is more specially defensive and can spread status. You already have 4 offensive pokes, so let's round it out with a more defensive one. The set I had in mind was:

-Heat Rotom w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP, 8 Defense, 252 Sp.Defense
Moves: Overheat, Volt-Switch/Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Will-o-Wisp

Moltres is a Pokemon I've never cared much for, but I guess its not bad. You could use it if you really want to. And yes, if you save before battling it (save BEFORE you enter the cave) you can soft reset to get the IVs and nature you want. If you like soft reseting a lot. But it'd probably still be better too use other fire types in Wifi battles.

Oh, and Rotom-H pairs fairly well with Skarmory, since Rotom resists Fire and Electric, which Skarm is weak to, and if you use the set I posted, it takes those special attacks that physically defensive Skarmory isn't too fond of pretty well.
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You guys have been very helpful. I'm probably going to go with Rotom-H. I have one more question though. Is Magmortar or Delphox a viable option and can magmortar in pokemon y?
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Magmortar and Delphox are ok, but they aren't the best options. In Wifi and OU battles, its generally better to stick with other fire types.

You can get Magmortar in X/Y. Magmar is a Safari Pokemon, and you can buy Magmarizers at the Battle Maison.
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So hands down I would be better off with Rotom or Valcarona than I would with say Magmortar or Delphox?

Magmortar and Delphox are ok, but they aren't the best options. In Wifi and OU battles, its generally better to stick with other fire types.

You can get Magmortar in X/Y. Magmar is a Safari Pokemon, and you can buy Magmarizers at the Battle Maison.
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So hands down I would be better off with Rotom or Valcarona than I would with say Magmortar or Delphox?
In my opinion, yes you would. Though keep in mind that you would need a Rapid Spinner or defog User if you wanted to use Volcarona
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