RMT Possible Competitive team?

Started by shanetheshaggy January 18th, 2014 1:08 PM
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I would love to use this team competitively, but I feel like it needs some changing. If anyone could suggest natures and held items maybe? I'm not sure about movesets either, but do you think this team could have some decent synergy?



"Deciecia" (Mawile) - Baton Pass/Feint Attack/Fairy Wind/Swords Dance
"Kingpin" (Snorlax) - Rest/Sleep Talk/Belly Drum/Giga Impact
"Nightwing" (Hawlucha) - Bounce/Flying Press/Focus Blast/Aerial Ace
"Foxy" (Delphox) - Psychic/Blast Burn/Power-Up Punch/Flamethrower
"Daffy" (Golduck) - Focus Blast/Psychic/Surf/Ice Beam
"Oleander" (Venusaur) - Petal Dance/Sleep Powder/Bulldoze/Swords Dance


Thanks in advance guys!

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Welcome to PC, shanetheshaggy!

Mawile: You're better off using a different Pokemon for Baton Passing. Mawile doesn't do the job very well, but instead can pull off offensive and, to a lesser extent, defensive roles much better. Additionally, your team doesn't benefit much from Baton Passed Atk boosts, so I don't think you need one to begin with. As a result, I recommend using the following moveset:

Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Atk / 124 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Fire Fang
- Swords Dance

Sucker Punch is for priority, as Mawile is slow. Fire Fang is for Skarmory, Gourgeist, etc. Swords Dance can be used if you see an opportunity to sweep.

Snorlax: Your moveset isn't effective. For one, Belly Drum Snorlax is easily dealt with due to its low Speed, lack of priority moves, weakness to strong physical attacks, and so on. Even if you did use it, you would need more coverage moves such as Earthquake, Fire Punch, Crunch, etc. Giga Impact in particular isn't viable due to the recharge turn. Said recharge turn lets your opponent nab a free switch to a Pokemon who can effectively deal with Snorlax, or set up a sweep with a dangerous Pokemon like Lucario. The power gain is simply not worth it. You're better off using Self-Destruct if you want to go out with a bang. However, you wouldn't want to use either with a set-up move, because it would end Snorlax's sweep. So, I suggest using this moveset instead:

Snorlax @ Assault Vest
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch / Crunch
- Self-Destruct

By utilizing the SAtk boost from Assault Vest, this Snorlax can easily check most special attackers. Body Slam helps spread paralysis, especially for Mawile. Earthquake is for Steel-types. Fire Punch is for Genesect, Scizor, Ferrothorn, etc. Crunch is for Ghost-types.

Movesets aside, I do recommend replacing Snorlax with Blissey. Some pros by doing so: a) Blissey can spread paralysis better to help slow down the opposing team, and therefore improve Mawile's sweeping potential; and b) Blissey has the ability to heal your team of status, as Mawile is very susceptible to status.

Hawlucha: Acrobatics is better than Bounce. Bounce is too predictable and should only be used on Pokemon who don't have any other Flying-type moves available to them (looking at you, Gyarados). Flying Press also isn't useful, unfortunately. Hawlucha gets better coverage by using its two STABs separately. Hawlucha has a low SAtk, so Focus Blast shouldn't be used.

Hawlucha @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- High Jump Kick
- Swords Dance
- Substitute

Substitute while the opponent switches out, get in a Swords Dance if you're faster, Sub some more until Liechi activates, and sweep. Alternatively, you could use something more gimmicky like Dread Plate with Fling over Substitute, then it can OHKO Aegislash after Stealth Rock damage.

Delphox: Power-Up Punch doesn't benefit the fox at all, since Delphox is specially offensive. Use Calm Mind instead. Use Psyshock over Psychic to hit Blissey and Chansey. Replace Blast Burn with Shadow Ball for coverage against [email protected] Life Orb or Leftovers is preferred. EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd and Timid Nature.

Golduck: Use Hydro Pump over Surf. Golduck needs all the power it can get. Focus Blast doesn't hit any notable Pokemon, so go with Hidden Power Grass if you can get it. Use Life Orb for the power boost. EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd. Timid Nature to help with Golduck's low Spd.

Anyway, Golduck isn't viable at all. It's heavily outclassed by numerous other Water-types, including Rotom-W, which is the Pokemon I suggest replacing Golduck with. By doing so, you can better deal with Pokemon such as Talonflame.

Venusaur: Venusaur is too slow to sweep effectively without sun. Use something like:

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow / Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power Fire
- Synthesis

Hidden Power Fire for Steel-types. Synthesis for recovery.

However, its Mega Evolution does this much better, but you can't use it with Mega Mawile. Still, Pokemon like Amoonguss, Celebi, and such pull off the bulky Grass-type role better than Venusaur.
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To add to Wolf's suggestions, Hawlucha isn't exactly the best choice competitively because it needs Flying Gem to work to its full potential; this also makes it less reliant on SubLiechi to activate Unburden. A better Fighting Pokemon to use is Lucario:
-Nasty Plot
-Aura Sphere
-Flash Cannon
-Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse/Vacuum Wave
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Lucarionite
Ability: Inner Focus/Steadfast

or
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Extreme Speed/Bullet Punch
-Crunch/Shadow Claw/Ice Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lucarionite

Delphox is horribly outclassed by the many Fire Pokemon in OU, such as Heatran, Talonflame and even Chandelure, but I'll suggest the first two, since Chandelure is very rarely seen in OU:

Heatran:
-Lava Plume
-Stealth Rock
-Protect/Earth Power
-Roar/Toxic
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire

or
-Fire Blast
-Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Ice)
-Earth Power
-Stealth Rock/Taunt/Toxic
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire

or
-Overheat/Fire Blast
-Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
-Earth Power
-Flamethrower/Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire

Talonflame:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Will-o-Wisp/Tailwind
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Substitute/Taunt
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/172 SDef/84 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

If you insist on keeping Delphox, this is the set to use, but I should warn you, Tyranitar and Hydreigon hard-counter it:
-Fire Blast
-Psyshock
-Grass Knot
-Switcheroo/Shadow Ball
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze

As Wolflare mentioned, Golduck is badly outclassed by other Water Pokemon in OU. Greninja, Starmie and Wash Rotom are ideal Water Pokemon to use:

Greninja:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam/Dark Pulse
-Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
-U-turn/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Hasty/Naive/Timid
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Protean

or
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam/Extrasensory
-U-turn/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

Wash Rotom:
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Will-o-Wisp
-Hidden Power (Ice)/Thunderbolt
Nature: Modest
EVs: 228 HP/60 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Volt Switch
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power (Ice)/Thunderbolt
-Trick
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Starmie (highly recommended because you have Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock):
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt/Psyshock
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure

or
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
-Psyshock/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/32 Def/4 SAtk/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

If Venusaur is used outside of Sun teams, it should be in its Mega form:
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Earthquake/Leech Seed/Hidden Power (Fire)
-Synthesis
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef or 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Venusaurite

or
-Giga Drain/Leech Seed
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Synthesis
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk
Item: Venusaurite

If you opted to use Mega Lucario, Ferrothorn, Trevenant and Gourgeist are suitable substitutes for Venusaur:

Ferrothorn:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
-Power Whip/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/208 Def/48 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs

Trevenant:
-Horn Leech/Wood Hammer
-Earthquake/Rock Slide
-Will-o-Wisp
-Rest
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/76 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Natural Cure/Harvest

or
-Horn Leech
-Shadow Claw/Leech Seed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Protect
Nature: Careful
EVs: 244 HP/16 Def/248 SDef
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest

or
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Will-o-Wisp
-Phantom Force
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/76 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest

Gourgeist:
-Will-o-Wisp
-Leech Seed
-Seed Bomb
-Shadow Sneak/Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Frisk