North Korea threatens with 'unimaginable holocaust'

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http://rt.com/news/north-korea-south-military-drill-684/

North Korea demands halt to South-US millitary drills.

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North Korea has demanded South Korea and the US halt their annual military drill, calling it “a serious provocation.” If not, north-south relations “will plunge into a deadlock and unimaginable holocaust,” says Pyongyang.

“We sternly warn the US and the South Korean authorities to stop the dangerous military exercises which may push the situation on the peninsula and the north-south ties to a catastrophe,” said the spokesman for the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea (CPRK) in a statement, reported [North Korea’s] KCNA state news.

The US and South Korea, which have shared the cost of hosting American soldiers since 1991, are planning to stage military exercises late February. The annual drills such as ‘Key Resolve’ and ‘Ulchi-Freedom-Guardian’, staged by Seoul and Washington, focus on defending the South from attacks, including possible ones from the North.

This year the US even decided to boost its military presence in South Korea, pledging to send another 800 troops in addition to those 28,000 which are already in the country. The personnel and equipment from the 1st US Cavalry Division will serve in South Korea for nine months.

However, all the equipment will stay and be used by other US soldiers rotating in. Also this year Seoul has struck a five-year $866.5 million deal with the US to cover the costs the troops.

South Korea responded to the North’s recent statement, saying the drills are going ahead as planned despite the threat.

The South “will sternly retaliate against North Korean provocations,” Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said in a regular briefing, reports South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

"If North Korea actually commits military aggression on the excuse of what is a normal exercise we conduct as preparation for emergency, our military will mercilessly and decisively punish them," he says, as quoted by Reuters.

There have been long-spiking tensions on the Korean Peninsula. The Korean War ended in 1953 by the Korean Armistice Agreement, which was signed by UN Command (UNC), North Korea and the Chinese People’s Volunteer Army. South Korea did not participate in signing the deal. So Seoul is still technically at war with Pyongyang.

Last year, a Korean crisis brought a new wave of tensions between the neighbors. That happened after Pyongyang launched a satellite and later tested its nuclear weapons. The UN Security Council condemned the North’s actions.

March last year during Foal Eagle, annual drills conducted between South Korea and the US, North Korea declared a 'state of war' with its southern neighbor. Pyongyang also warned it would retaliate against any provocations by the US and South Korea without "any prior notice."

The tensions continued the whole last year. In October Pyongyang urged Washington to stop their military drills, which was described as "nuclear blackmail."
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It's North Korea, there missiles can barely make it across their borders. They're all talk and they go against unbelievable odds. But War is a money maker, the best, so why not.

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It's saber-rattling on the part of Kim Jong-Un, is all. North Korea lacks the logistical ability to launch an effective military campaign against the South Koreans or Japan. Honestly, and yes, this is bad, but I kind of wish they'd provoke a western response to their aggression, so that the US, Japan, etc, could annihilate Kim Jong-Un and be done with it, once and for all.

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The fact that they have to make threats is confirmation that they can't. Because let's be honest, this is North Korea we're talking about. If they actually had the ability to attack their mortal enemy, they wouldn't give warning or threats--they'd do it without even a second thought.

But, I do think their threats should be taken seriously. Pretty much 99.99% of their money goes towards prepping an army to destroy their enemy. They kinda have an advantage over everyone else in the world: a vast majority of their citizens are political prisoners forced to work for no pay for the rest of their lives, and they have no intention of using any of the wealth generated by it to actually feed their people--it all goes towards their military.
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Good ol' Kim Jong-Un, folks: threatening to put in the work he can't quite put in. However, I feel that zomgitscathy and the article both have valid points. No matter what we do with North Korea, as long as it's not getting rid of Kim Jong-Un, we're bringing these threats upon ourselves.

Geez, first the Holocaust itself, and now this?! Why would the offenders bother if the targets didn't do anything to harm them?!
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I think we should be careful about what we know and what we don't know about North Korea. A majority implies more than half, a vast majority much more than that. If we go by Amnesty International's estimate of 200,000 prisoners in camps (political and not), out of a population of 24.76 million that gets us 0.8% of the total population living in those camps. The incarceration rate of the US for comparison is around 0.75%. While North Korea's system of prison camps is extensive and the human rights abuses brutal, we must be careful not to extend the truth - in this case by manifold. And I wouldn't consider slave labour to be an advantage, it's usually not very productive.

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The fact that they have to make threats is confirmation that they can't. Because let's be honest, this is North Korea we're talking about. If they actually had the ability to attack their mortal enemy, they wouldn't give warning or threats--they'd do it without even a second thought.

But, I do think their threats should be taken seriously. Pretty much 99.99% of their money goes towards prepping an army to destroy their enemy. They kinda have an advantage over everyone else in the world: a vast majority of their citizens are political prisoners forced to work for no pay for the rest of their lives, and they have no intention of using any of the wealth generated by it to actually feed their people--it all goes towards their military.
There have already been times they attacked us (South Korea), albeit at a much more local scale. (e.g. ROKS Cheonan sinking, Yeonpyeong Island attack)

But I have my doubts that their threats will be any more significant. Otherwise this would've ended already one way or the other.

And I agree with BlahIsuck, even though the slave camps are very brutal and inhumane, people living in those camps don't encompass "vast majority" of the population.

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The fact that they have to make threats is confirmation that they can't. Because let's be honest, this is North Korea we're talking about. If they actually had the ability to attack their mortal enemy, they wouldn't give warning or threats--they'd do it without even a second thought.

But, I do think their threats should be taken seriously. Pretty much 99.99% of their money goes towards prepping an army to destroy their enemy. They kinda have an advantage over everyone else in the world: a vast majority of their citizens are political prisoners forced to work for no pay for the rest of their lives, and they have no intention of using any of the wealth generated by it to actually feed their people--it all goes towards their military.
Actually, it's about 25% that goes to the military.

The only risk N. Korea poses is that they would have first strike. While they lack the materials and technology for a prolonged war, they could do a lot of damage before S. Korea's and it's allies militiaries are able to respond.

While they do have a rather large military force, it's all obsolete junk. The majority of their tanks are cold war era relics, whose guns won't do jack against modern armor. Simply put, the rounds would bounce right off of the armor. And thats assuming the guns can even fire - Parts are in short supply so it's hard for them to maintain their vehicles, and not to mention the lack of properly trained mechanics to maintain them. Realistically, most of the tanks they use in their military parades are all just show peices - They move and are nicely painted.

By numbers, old T-55's and the chinese varient (Type 59) make up the bulk of their armor support. They have been out of production for three decades now.

They do have some more modern (read - Old, but not old as dirt) tanks that they produce for themselves, but they still aren't a match for modern tanks. This is just made worse by them not having enough fuel to operate them for training.

There Air Force is much the same. Obselete, cold war era, planes that any other country would have since scrapped (Or pawned off to some sucker... Oh wait, thats what some countries did). And yet again, lots of luck finding one that... well... works. They have a lot of planes, but with how poorly maintained they are it's really wouldn't surprise me if they fell apart mid flight. Lack of parts, lack of fuel, lack of trained mechanics, lack of pretty much everything.

By numbers, the old Chinese J-5 makes up the bulk of their air force. But it would be surprising if more then half of them were actually operable. The only fighter they have that poses a threat is a number of Mig-29s but those are dedicated to guarding Pyongyang.

Their support crafts are much the same - Old, ancient, and older then dirt.

I'm not even going to bother mentioning the floating scrap piles they call a navy.

This isn't to say that their military is complete junk. Kimmy's elite guard gets newer (Late cold war era, rather then early) toys and would pose a (minor) threat. And they do have a lot of artillery. The only thing that poses a real threat is the artillery since N. Korea would most likely be striking first.

They do have a large standing infantry force - Active is the fifth highest in the world, and reserves the highest in the world - but still... With their economy its doubtful that they could keep them supplied, and with their armor and air abilities they wouldn't have that effective of armor or air support.

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I'm curious, where are you getting this information from?

As for the threat, I think anyone serious about taking action wouldn't offer preemptive warnings about it. That said, sometimes I wonder, with NK being as closed off as it is and all...how much of our intel is actually verifiable? What if all of this is really a very clever ruse to make the rest of us underestimate NK?

Seems doubtful but you never know, the whole nation is one big question mark, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. I'd like to see them try. The only problem here is that it makes the trigger-happy rednecks here in the States want to start another pointless war, this time with North Korea.
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It's saber-rattling on the part of Kim Jong-Un, is all. North Korea lacks the logistical ability to launch an effective military campaign against the South Koreans or Japan. Honestly, and yes, this is bad, but I kind of wish they'd provoke a western response to their aggression, so that the US, Japan, etc, could annihilate Kim Jong-Un and be done with it, once and for all.
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Kim Jong-Un is all talk and no brawn to back it up. They attempt to threaten us, but in reality I think that they are more scared of us than anything. We could wipe their leaders out very quickly. On the other hand, North Korea could also pose as a threat. In all honesty, we don't know much about North Korea which can serve as a large disadvantage. We should be on caution, but as of right now I don't think that we should be too worried.

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I think North Korea could be viewed as a threat. Don't forget they are ranked 5th when it comes to active millitary personnel (1.1 million) and 1st when talking about their reserve personnel (8.3 million!).
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Offensive capability is as much mobility as it is firepower. And North Korea's high manpower doesn't translate as well as you'd think into firepower, considering their outdated weapons and materiel. Even though North Korea has a lot more people, a military equipped with superior weapons can bring more weapons to bear on a target - through the skies after establishing air superiority and through guided missile systems from land and sea. Considering this, I don't think North Korea can fight a protracted battle. But unleashing millions of soldiers upon South Korea would cause plenty of damage instantly, make no mistake about that.

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Considering the average North Korean soldier to lack body armor and weapons similar to African fighters. They cannot fight against America and win. However the biggest threat is a surprise attack. They can secretly enter South Korea without others noticing because of their secret tunnel system which links North and South Korea. But their threats today is not as bad as the threat of USSR. USSR is very modern at the time of their threats and also firepower to prove it and also powerful nuclear missiles. The North Korea threat is a joke compare to Cold War.

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I'm not super worried. North Korea cannot win against both South Korea and America's efforts when banded together. >__> They like to bark, but if they bit, they'd tear off more than they could chew. I believe they could do some damage, but we'd be on them so fast, and hit them harder than they hit us. I think they're aware of that, even if they don't come out and say it.


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I'm not concerned by a threat of North Korean attack, or even a real attack. My only real concern comes in when we counter attack North Korea, smash through them(sooner or later it's bound to happen, given the state of their equipment), and China decides enough is enough.