RMT New to competitive play, need help!

Started by sevXone February 3rd, 2014 3:05 PM
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Seen February 4th, 2014
Posted February 4th, 2014
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I am new to Pokemon. Recently beat Pokemon Y and have gotten into breeding 5IV perfect Pokemon and EV training them, i want a good competitive team.

So far, this is what i have manged to get:

Ferrothorn
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD
Nature: Relaxed
Moves:
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball

I use Ferrothorn as my Special Defense tank but also as a pokemon that setup's hazards. I can also use him to stall with Leech Seed and Leftovers, he is pretty hard to kill unless they use a Fire attack.

Milotic
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Nature: Bold
Moves:
- Scald
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Mirror Coat

I use Milotic as a scout to see they will throw at me, and it's my Defense tank. Can also use it to stall with recover and leftovers.

Greninja
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Nature: Timid
Moves:
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- U-turn

I use Greninja as a Special Attacker and he can usually 1shot Pokemon that are weak to his types and have low SpD.

Dragonite
Item: Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SpD/252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
Moves:
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Extreme Speed

I want to use Dragonite as my Attack Sweeper with Multiscale+Weakness Policy but not once have i been able to set that up so far.

Heracross(Mega)
Item: Heracronite
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
Moves:
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Seed

I use Heracross Mega for Skill Link(Bullet Seed) and as my Fighting Type Pokemon, he seems to work pretty well for me.

Rotom-W
Item: Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Moves:
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

I just threw Rotom-W in the mix thinking i could use Electric and Ghost type coverage, both of which he can provide, but so far he has not really been working out that well and has just been dying.

Conclusion:
So far what i have noticed is that Dragonite and Rotom-W are a bit "useless" in my team, and it also feel's like i lack to much type coverage and have to many weaknesses. I also seem to struggle a lot against tanks, like today i ran into a Dusclops and he was just a massive wall, kept spamming Rest and there was nothing i could do to kill it.

Any tips on how to improve my team or any completely new team suggestions are welcome, i am willing to breed anything!
Friend Code: 0344-9636-8880.
In Game Name: Serena.
Ghost Safari: Shuppet, Phantump, Golurk.

PlatinumDude

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Milotic isn't really worth using IMO. Other bulky Water Pokemon like Jellicent, Wash Rotom and Vaporeon do its job better, and it doesn't have much to make it stand out from them. Since you already have a Water Pokemon in Greninja, I think that Blissey is a better fit:
-Aromatherapy/Heal Bell
-Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
-Soft-Boiled
-Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

Mega Heracross has Rock Blast, which always hits 5 times thanks to Skill Link. In fact, the only move it has that takes advantage of Skill Link is Bullet Seed, which only sees use if you really hate Wash Rotom, Hippowdon, Jellicent and Azumarill:
-Pin Missile
-Close Combat
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake/Swords Dance
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
Item: Heracronite
Ability: Guts/Moxie

Even though Ferrothorn's Defense is rather high, I think this EV spread is better: 252 HP/208 Def/48 SDef to give it more Defense while also giving it some Special Defense.

Shadow Ball doesn't give Wash Rotom any noteworthy coverage; STAB Hydro Pump hits Ghost and Psychic Pokemon hard enough already, so I think Trick should go in its place to cripple walls with Choice Scarf.

Rapid Spin or Defog support is also crucial for Dragonite, since it's weak to Stealth Rock and needs to be at full health to utilize Multiscale:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt/Psyshock
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure

or
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
-Psyshock/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/32 Def/4 SAtk/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

Excadrill:
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide/Iron Head
-Rapid Spin
-Swords Dance/Stealth Rock
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon/Chople Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker

or
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Rock Slide/Substitute/Iron Head
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 176 HP/60 Atk/252 SDef/20 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker

Mandibuzz:
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Taunt/Whirlwind
-Defog/Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

Crobat:
-Brave Bird
-Defog
-Roost
-Taunt/Toxic
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 168 HP/136 Atk/4 SDef/200 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Infiltrator

Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze

Mandibuzz or Crobat can also deal with your wall problem by Taunting walls.

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Posted February 4th, 2014
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Cool, thanks for the fast response!

I'll get a Blissey to replace the Milotic. Also which one of my pokemon should i replace for a rapid spinner?

And which Pokemon did you mean in this quote? I assume you meant Starmie?
Rapid Spin or Defog support is also crucial for Dragonite, since it's weak to Stealth Rock and needs to be at full health to utilize Multiscale:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt/Psyshock
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure

or
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
-Psyshock/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 248 HP/32 Def/4 SAtk/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Friend Code: 0344-9636-8880.
In Game Name: Serena.
Ghost Safari: Shuppet, Phantump, Golurk.

PlatinumDude

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Cool, thanks for the fast response!

I'll get a Blissey to replace the Milotic, and which one of my pokemon should i replace for a rapid spinner?
Also, how would Trick help on Rotom-W against walls, doesn't trick just change items? giving him my choice scarf and taking his leftovers could cripple and kill me instead by letting him go first :P

And which Pokemon did you mean in this quote? did you mean Starmie?

Tricking a Choice Scarf on to walls is beneficial because walls can't do much if they're locked into a single move, forcing a switch. Stealing Leftovers from them is also a bonus. Note that Trick fails against Mega Pokemon. Some not-fully-evolved Pokemon also rely on Eviolite to function, like Chansey and Porygon2.

I was referring to Starmie, yes. And I think you should do some testing before you make a decision on who to replace.

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I got Pokebank today and i got a Celebi from that.

3IV Celebi (HP, Attack, Speed), Jolly(+Speed -Sp.Attack). Can Celebi be made into a decent Attacker or what should i do with it now that it has -Sp Attack?

What is a good Attack Move set?
Friend Code: 0344-9636-8880.
In Game Name: Serena.
Ghost Safari: Shuppet, Phantump, Golurk.

PlatinumDude

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I got Pokebank today and i got a Celebi from that.

3IV Celebi (HP, Attack, Speed), Jolly(+Speed -Sp.Attack). Can Celebi be made into a decent Attacker or what should i do with it now that it has -Sp Attack?

What is a good Attack Move set?
Physical Celebi is out of the equation; its special move pool has more flexibility than its physical one.

PlatinumDude

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I know PlatinumDude but since my Celebi has -Sp Attack i don't know if that will be viable which is why i wanted to make it attack since it has perfect Attack IV :p
You should've kept going until you got a -Attack natured Celebi. Even if you wanted to make it physical, all its good physical moves are tutor moves from past games (Seed Bomb, Zen Headbutt, Sucker Punch).

So I'm afraid you'll have to not use Celebi at all.