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Old February 15th, 2014 (2:54 AM).
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You know what? I have no problem at all tbh, if it has legit moves, legit EV's then I'm fine with it. In fact, I'm relying on a friend of mine to use his PokeEdit to get the team I wanted because I sold my previous Pokemon games which had perfectly trained Pokemons so in retrospect, I have no time doing that all again in XY. I'm pretty much done doing that cause I lost the joy in it for some reason. Is it because EV training has been shown to the public? Maybe. It's my perspective. Doing this does NOT make you a loser. This is just merely a faster way to get the Pokemon you need for online competition. You'll be like, "Yaayy. Now I can own these ppl with this Pokemon I made from Pokemon Showdown! :D"
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Old February 15th, 2014 (3:17 AM).
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aaah cheer's luckyyena that sound's like a better point , everyone has there own reason's for doing it and like i said i just felt like meh what's the point of me spending hours upon hour's grinding when everyone else does it in 1minitue and then i realised it makes me feel good when it finally hatches!
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Old February 16th, 2014 (1:05 AM).
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I hate hacked pokemon in my opinion, i find it a way of cheating. But i am fine with cloning though as long it's with an original copy from the game, since i do believe that cloning the original pokemon is more of a back up then a hacked pokemon.
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I usually hate hacked pokemon because the just seems unfair when someone has a whole team of shinies with perfect ivs and stuff…
but BasedNate is right. If its legit, then its okay. It usually saves a lot of time and distress. My brother has a level 100 shiny litwick. It sucks because the litwick is totally legit, but he can't evolve it because its level 100. If there was just some way to lower the litwicks level by one, it would be so great, but the only way is by using a cheating device or something similar to that. And because of reasons like that, cheating is okay
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anyway's there is a way you can check if it's legit or not "i think" , the pentagon symbol is suppose to show if it's a legit pokemon. for instance i received a shiny houndoom didn't have the symbol but the jumpluff i breeded has the symbol , some legendary's i caught myself have it , one that was traded me has it , yet some dont anyone else know if that is true?
Sorta, The pentagon just tells you if the pokemon is native to Kalos. If a pokemon doesn't have the pentagon, you don't have to assume its a hack, it just means its from a different game.
However, since Pokebank has been proven to let hacked pokemon in, people just like to assume anything without the pentagon is a hack. Funny thing is, the pentagon can be hacked in too.
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. Funny thing is, the pentagon can be hacked in too.
This was fixed in patch 1.1 of Pokemon Bank.
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What is everyone's opinion on using hacked Pokemon as breeding parents?
If you want a foreign 6 Iv ditto, you are pretty much going to have be using a hacked parent, no ones gonna want to let their lwgit one go, not a legend released is that valuable ( keep in mind the only person that would spend the time to catch a legit one would be a competition fan, most likely non collector, or if acquired a legit one from friend probably has all legends in multiples... most of us do anyway tbh ) so what might of happened and where the ditto thing got so far gone is some Korean guy or Japanese guy or German guy had multiples of dittos hacked into their bw2 versions and transferred it to xy. Then they look on the passerby, or friends for a us or anything foreign to their country, ( its done by US ppl too, I'm just not using american as an example because that's my nationality ) then they send out trade invites, they show off dittos with 6iv or whatever written on the name or nickname another pkmn 6v ditto? Anyway they farm real legendaries from ppl with hacked 6iv dittos pokegened into their bw2 games. It continues to happen over and over til pretty much any foreign 6 Iv ditto that's circulating has way more than half the chance of being hacked PR a clone of a hack.
That's the only thing I can think of where hacking would be fair in anyway, BC you really can't do anything to do it any different. If it really bothers you the best you can do is cross your fingers and hope you know.
However if you want a 6 Iv parent or whatever that isn't foreign I don't think its fair, took me two hours to find 4 iv ditto in friend safari... took me and about 2 more hours that night and about 6 hours spanned put over the next day or so to find a 5 Iv one. So really that's not that hard, if that's hard work to anyone... I am sorry to hear that. But if you are like me and figure if your IV breeding you might as well be masuda method then your gonna need that ditto to be foreign... & of really is up a creek at that point & you most likely will get a hack or a clone of a hack. So I figure its okay to have a backed or cloned 6 Iv foreign ditto BC the system doesn't really allow any other way to get one
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No I got your point, way to go missing me saying I should have worded it better to include 6 Iv foreign ditto. Do you even read ?
Your point was how could I say a hacked 6 Iv ditto is cool, but others aren't? That would be contradictory?
My point is ( to include the other note you must have missed when you skimmed through my post that I meant 6 I've foreign ditto and even admitted to not including it in my op ) that if you get a 6 Iv foreign ditto ( the only way to get one foreign to you will be through trade unless you hacked it in ) will 99.9% of the time be a clone of a hack.
Back to my op
This is what I meant by hacked ditto in the first place, a 6 Iv ditto is the most hacked and cloned pokemon * besides shinys and legends , so unless you catch a 6 Iv ditto in your safari its more than likely a clone, but that isn't even part of my point because my original point was a foreign 6 Iv ditto

But you would know that if you actually read my second post

Your original point was you saying the only Pokémon you would hack is a six IV Ditto, correct?
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Your original point was you saying the only Pokémon you would hack is a six IV Ditto, correct?
Nope, meant to add foreign, and I've said that 400 times already
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Nope, meant to add foreign, and I've said that 400 times already
You know, you should really stop complaining about other people hacking in legit stat Pokemon, when you do the same thing. You use it for breeding, we use it to get straight into battles. You're still making it easier for yourself, and by what you said, cheating. You call other people half assed when you use these hacks to also speed up the process of breeding. Bit contradictory don't you think?
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On the subject of the 6IV Ditto, I find it interesting how everyone draws their own line about when it is and when it is not ok to hack. Like for example, you start by saying:
-It's ok to hack a 6IV Ditto and use it for breeding purposes only, because breeding with legit Pokemon for 5/6 IVs is technically possible, it just takes more time.
to:
-It's ok to hack a 6IV, Lv. 100, fully EV-trained Pokemon that also has B2W2 Tutor moves, because breeding for 5/6 IVs in pre-Destiny Knot games is technically possible, it just takes more time.
and finally you get to:
-It's ok to hack your save file so you have a completed the National Pokedex, beaten the Elite Four 999 times and have every single species of Pokemon in your PC, all 6IV, all Lv. 100 and all shiny, because doing that by legitimate means is technically possible, it just takes more time.
Or you can just say:
-Nah, I don't feel like hacking! It takes out all the fun and the misplaced sense of accomplishment that video games are supposed to offer!
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I absolutely can't stand hacked pokémon & there is no "acceptable" line for me. I've just finished my National Pokédex last night without using hacked pokémon, any legendaries I've traded online I've checked all details as best as possible... it's not that hard, why cheat?

Also, regarding IVs & stats... people who excuse themselves by saying they'd train them up with the same stats anyway, no you wouldn't, if you had the tenacity to breed & train the pokémon properly you wouldn't have cheated in the first place. It's just stealing people's well earned victories.

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You know, you should really stop complaining about other people hacking in legit stat Pokemon, when you do the same thing. You use it for breeding, we use it to get straight into battles. You're still making it easier for yourself, and by what you said, cheating. You call other people half assed when you use these hacks to also speed up the process of breeding. Bit contradictory don't you think?
I don't actually hack, considering you got a hacked pokemon in a trade and you use of to breed still makes it hacking, and I will complain about whatever I want to because it doesn't speed up the process it is just very rare to get a foreign 6 Iv ditto in a trade. Might as well be masuda method if your going to IV breed, but by your logic you need neither, because you can have a shiny 6 Iv perfect pokemon anyway you want. And most times o will use my Korean 6 Iv ditto with adamant nature or my 5 Iv modest ditto that I caught in my game depends on what nature I want to use to breed with if the breeding pkmn doesn't already carry a nature I want.
Doesn't matter to me.
But if you say something isn't wrong or shouldn't be considered. Cheating when you generate a pkmn out of thin air or alter one completely by changing everything bout it then I know I won't be able to say anything to change your opinion nor do I want to try to
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So what's this, then? (extra characters so I can post)
Are you slow?
What part of
I MEANT TO WRITE FOREIGN IN MY ORIGINAL POST DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
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ORIGINAL POST
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SO THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO
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Are you slow?
What part of
I MEANT TO WRITE FOREIGN IN MY ORIGINAL POST DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
I would put it in picture form for you if I didn't think it would complicate it worse....

ORIGINAL POST
WAS
MISSING
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WORD
FOREIGN
ADMITTED
TO
LEAVING
IT
OUT
THEN HAVE
SAID
SEVERAL
TIMES
I
MEANT
TO ADD
FOREIGN
YOU SEEN MY POINT WAS VALID
BUT DONT WANT TO ADMIT I AM RIGHT
SO THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO
IS IGNORE ME
SAYING I MEANT TO PUT FOREUGN IN THE OP
AND KEEP BRINGING IT UP

Is this better? I made my letters big for you.

No, I'm not slow. But I think you are. So what you're saying is that the only Pokémon you would hack in would be a six IV foreign Ditto?
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No, I'm not slow. But I think you are. So what you're saying is that the only Pokémon you would hack in would be a six IV foreign Ditto?
No, I wouldn't hack any pokemon personally, but the high chance of recuevung one in a trade wouldn't stray me away from using one, & its all fair, I could make 6 Iv pokes all day long with dittos I've caught, I just happened to receive a Korean 6 Iv ditto in a trade. Am I pretty sure its hacked? Yes. Am I still gonna use it? Yes. Do I still think using something like pokegen or Iv and nature manipulation through ar is wrong? Yes. But the fact is, if you have a dittp foreign to your copy in game and you didn't get it in a trade: it was hacked in there.
If you received it in a trade there is a super high percentage it is a clone of a hack or an original hack.
You can't beat the foreign 6 IV ditto problem. Therefor, you have to cross your fingers or do whatever helps you sleep but at the end of the day it will still most likely be backed. And by the only Pokémon I would hack statement is a blanket term: I wouldn't hack personally but me using one is just as bad, however what I've been trying to explain is there really isn't any other way.
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Why are you using a hacked Ditto if you think everything else is shameful? I'm not saying you're right or wrong for doing it, I just want to try and understand your logic and thinking.
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Why are you using a hacked Ditto if you think everything else is shameful? I'm not saying you're right or wrong for doing it, I just want to try and understand your logic and thinking.
Well I hope you have a blast trying to understand ppls logic and thinking on the internet.
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If you want a foreign 6 Iv ditto, you are pretty much going to have be using a hacked parent, no ones gonna want to let their lwgit one go, not a legend released is that valuable ( keep in mind the only person that would spend the time to catch a legit one would be a competition fan, most likely non collector, or if acquired a legit one from friend probably has all legends in multiples... most of us do anyway tbh ) so what might of happened and where the ditto thing got so far gone is some Korean guy or Japanese guy or German guy had multiples of dittos hacked into their bw2 versions and transferred it to xy.

However if you want a 6 Iv parent or whatever that isn't foreign I don't think its fair, took me two hours to find 4 iv ditto in friend safari... took me and about 2 more hours that night and about 6 hours spanned put over the next day or so to find a 5 Iv one. So really that's not that hard, if that's hard work to anyone... I am sorry to hear that. But if you are like me and figure if your IV breeding you might as well be masuda method then your gonna need that ditto to be foreign... & of really is up a creek at that point & you most likely will get a hack or a clone of a hack. So I figure its okay to have a backed or cloned 6 Iv foreign ditto BC the system doesn't really allow any other way to get one
You must not have seen Trade Shops then since people do give out free 6 IV Dittos, myself included. And no they are not hacked. They are RNG'd. RNG is a legit way to get flawless shiny Pokemon without hacking.
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You must not have seen Trade Shops then since people do give out free 6 IV Dittos, myself included. And no they are not hacked. They are RNG'd. RNG is a legit way to get flawless shiny Pokemon without hacking.
I feel sorry for ppl who RNG, while there isn't a third component and its done in game. Really its still taking chance out of the equation, and common players dont even know what it is. I'm done arguing, I'm still spanking all shiny teams on battle spot every time I play so it doesn't hit me at home at all, its the ones who generate all shiny perfect IV teams and stilllll keep loosing that really gotta deal with it. And by extension of RnG a 6 Iv ditto is useless to produce, BC you can do any pkmn you like. So why even get a 6 Iv ditto, its insulting yourself.
Well that's my opinion on RNG but your still missing my point
How do you MAKE IT FOREIG TO YOUR GAME CARD?
You can't
And I don't care if you were my friend and I knew you in real life... there really is know way of telling if you traded me a legit ditto, especially if you are NA or EUR you would have to trade to GER KOR or JAP for the ditto you rngD to become foreign to someone's card. They probably wouldn't believe or care that it was caught naturally, even though some would argue that RNG is a way of cheating because it IS a form of manipulation, I will just call unnatural
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Well I hope you have a blast trying to understand ppls logic and thinking on the internet.

Nice reply. Jam packed with great points.


You've failed to understand my point. It doesn't matter if you do use hack or legit Pokémon. My point was how can you say using anything excluding a six IV Ditto is shameful, whereas a six IV Ditto makes breeding so many more times easier and faster. Again, I don't care if you do use legit or hacked Pokémon, I'm just curious as to why you think using a hacked Ditto isn't shameful but using other hacked Pokémon is.
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Nice reply. Jam packed with great points.


You've failed to understand my point. It doesn't matter if you do use hack or legit Pokémon. My point was how can you say using anything excluding a six IV Ditto is shameful, whereas a six IV Ditto makes breeding so many more times easier and faster. Again, I don't care if you do use legit or hacked Pokémon, I'm just curious as to why you think using a hacked Ditto isn't shameful but using other hacked Pokémon is.
Because I do. Why does it bother you so bad? Are you that hellbent on arguing with ppl, or trying to be one of those annoying ppl on the internet, the " this is the internet, I am superhero, here to restore logic & order, people will have to agree with me because I am all knowing in logic and order " .
You have badgered and badgered until you got my broad spectrum blanket point of that the mystery and unknown of a foreign ditto condensed down to the point where it no longer is about the fact that not knowing if its a hack or not is where it becomes okay. But how could you know? That's what I was originally saying. Yet you insist on resting on the part of the point where I say that of the ditto you received in trade was a hack it would be OK to use. BC how would you knowwwww.
That may not be jam packet full of your logical points but it is jam packed full of take your logic, shove it you know where, and go try to be a pkmn scholar on someone else's watch, you're annoying and I'm done
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Guys relax !! haha , what is RNG excuse my noobishness , and yeah apparently to check if its hacked go to the pokemon memory person , if she says this pokemon has a good memory , but cant remember anything , its most likely a hacked pokemon. Thats why people are asking for checked memories i guess!

Anyhow i checked some of the shiny's i've traded and 4/5 of them all dont have memories the other one was hatched from a egg so the other 4 are being released
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EDIT: While trying to trade for a Noivern, the last pokémon I needed someone kept trying to force a Croagunk on me called "Genesect!?!", after I'd cancelled trading I gave a shoutout questioning why he was trying to make me take it... the answer was that to him it WAS a Genesect. Is this guy just pulling something or was he a hack victim?[/QUOTE]

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