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Yeah a lot of the times internships are paid because you're working but not paid as much as jobs because you're not skilled enough to work for that company. Or they're unpaid because you're really using the job as another class, the hands-on career class. It is kind of a scam, but what can you do?


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All this college talk reminds me of my old school, Fountain-Fort Carson HS. Pretty much everyone who was anyone was college-bound or military-bound, and I remember seeing many of my ROTC friends go into the Air Force, the Army, and our old battalion Command Sergeant-Major went into the Marines. Pretty much everyone else in our HS JROTC was going to do college ROTC and then commission, and those not interested in the military would just go into college - more than a few were getting into nursing and stuff and very few were shooting for less than a bachelor's with many indecisive between a master's or a doctorate's in their field.

At my new school things float on the opposite end of the spectrum; more than a few people delving into crime, your average ones going to the taco bell for a minimum wage job, and your few brainiacs that might have a plan to get a bachelor's. I myself am still uncertain in regard to college due to the debt it entails, and being directly enslaved to money is something I really don't like. In the end going to college for most people is backed by the reasoning that it'll land a well-paying job so you can live the good life, but at that I look and ask, "how is money beneficial at that point?" It doesn't bring happiness and often instead breeds greed and lust; those two things I'm more than turned off at. :<

In the end I'd rather be penniless and happy than with all the money I could ask for with dissatisfaction.
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Oryx

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All this college talk reminds me of my old school, Fountain-Fort Carson HS. Pretty much everyone who was anyone was college-bound or military-bound, and I remember seeing many of my ROTC friends go into the Air Force, the Army, and our old battalion Command Sergeant-Major went into the Marines. Pretty much everyone else in our HS JROTC was going to do college ROTC and then commission, and those not interested in the military would just go into college - more than a few were getting into nursing and stuff and very few were shooting for less than a bachelor's with many indecisive between a master's or a doctorate's in their field.

At my new school things float on the opposite end of the spectrum; more than a few people delving into crime, your average ones going to the taco bell for a minimum wage job, and your few brainiacs that might have a plan to get a bachelor's. I myself am still uncertain in regard to college due to the debt it entails, and being directly enslaved to money is something I really don't like. In the end going to college for most people is backed by the reasoning that it'll land a well-paying job so you can live the good life, but at that I look and ask, "how is money beneficial at that point?" It doesn't bring happiness and often instead breeds greed and lust; those two things I'm more than turned off at. :<

In the end I'd rather be penniless and happy than with all the money I could ask for with dissatisfaction.
Have you ever had to wonder where your next meal was coming from, in reality? Poverty is far from romantic.


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As much as we want to hope we don't work just for money, we pretty much have to in most situations. It can be hellish & turn people nasty or bitter, but that's the hand that is dealt
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Have you ever had to wonder where your next meal was coming from, in reality? Poverty is far from romantic.
Can you imagine the feeling of being humble in going without? It's such a treasure that I envy; feeling at peace and unconcerned with the haves and have-nots. I imagine that level of selflessness would bring the things you need out of karma alone.
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Can you imagine feeling humble in being without? It's such a treasure that I envy; feeling at peace and unconcerned with the haves and have-nots. I imagine that level of selflessness would bring the things you need out of karma alone.
That's not how it works, unfortunately. As someone who was saved from living on the streets by a convicted murderer just out of jail because my family was too poor to afford bills, among other degrading things, there is no "at peace and unconcerned" in poverty. You're imagining a romantic poverty from books and movies, a poverty that doesn't destroy your weight and immune system due to stress, doesn't keep you away from doctors you can't afford and can't take time off of work (if you have it) to visit, doesn't tear down the dignity of choice in how you live your life, doesn't leave you hungry every night of the week, doesn't leave you in situations regularly where you have to fear for your safety but have no choice if you want to survive.

There is no peace in poverty. Poverty is difficult, painful, stressful, and a situation I wouldn't wish on my enemies. I don't have to imagine what it's like to live in poverty, of feeling humbled because I have no choice on what to eat; it's whatever the food bank had that week again. It's easy to romanticize poverty if you've never lived through it; I went to a private school on a scholarship and there were plenty of people there that did it, as well as people in my university who will spend an afternoon a week volunteering and think that they know what poverty is and that it's noble and beautiful and on and on ugh.


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Unfortunately the real world doesn't cater to humble people, and there's no guaranteed justice from being poor and humble. If humbleness is an additional characteristic you have, great. But you can't rely on it to move forward in life.

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That's not how it works, unfortunately. As someone who was saved from living on the streets by a convicted murderer just out of jail because my family was too poor to afford bills, among other degrading things, there is no "at peace and unconcerned" in poverty. You're imagining a romantic poverty from books and movies, a poverty that doesn't destroy your weight and immune system due to stress, doesn't keep you away from doctors you can't afford and can't take time off of work (if you have it) to visit, doesn't tear down the dignity of choice in how you live your life, doesn't leave you hungry every night of the week, doesn't leave you in situations regularly where you have to fear for your safety but have no choice if you want to survive.

There is no peace in poverty. Poverty is difficult, painful, stressful, and a situation I wouldn't wish on my enemies. I don't have to imagine what it's like to live in poverty, of feeling humbled because I have no choice on what to eat; it's whatever the food bank had that week again. It's easy to romanticize poverty if you've never lived through it; I went to a private school on a scholarship and there were plenty of people there that did it, as well as people in my university who will spend an afternoon a week volunteering and think that they know what poverty is and that it's noble and beautiful and on and on ugh.
But… I don't watch movies or read many books, let alone fiction. And what made you think I long for poverty? …There are people completely removed from society who built their own house on their own land and grow their own food, raising their own livestock. I don't understand the notion that everyone is forced to be a part of society to begin with. :X

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But… I don't watch movies or read many books, let alone fiction. And what made you think I long for poverty? …There are people completely removed from society who built their own house on their own land and grow their own food, raising their own livestock. I don't understand the notion that everyone is forced to be a part of society to begin with. :X
Poverty is the state of not having money. Penniless = poverty.

I doubt anyone who spends a lot of time on the internet are removed from technology and would be happy giving all our communication abilities up, and technology is built and maintained by society - will you spend all your time in solitude, giving up your lovers and friends online? Or will your rely on society to hook you up with internet? If you rely on society, you have to pay them - how will you do so?

It's technically possible, but somehow I think in a few years you're not going to be setting out on your own and living without modern human society, lol.


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Poverty is the state of not having money. Penniless = poverty.

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Within a structured society, that's true; if someone is removed from society you don't have the concept of poverty at all. What I was getting at was being happy without, i.e. not worrying about what others have or what you want or envy. Basically I think it's noble to be unconcerned with materialism and instead with what's on the inside, ergo emotion and feeling as opposed to how much money you can make to buy whatever luxury you want, that you covet because other people do/have it. :/

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That's all good and well for people who own their own kilns and make their clothes out of wheat, but the reality of the world is that those people don't really exist so much anymore, and if they do they're crushed under this big mean "society" we all talk about, because it's so pervasive that it's impossible not to rely on it for something. You can fight it all you want but in the end it's just words.

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Luckily, that's a mental state, not physical, so that can be acquired without being penniless at all! :D

I don't necessarily agree it's noble not to want things though, especially if they're related to a passion of yours. If your dream is to create beautiful art, and you want a high-quality paintbrush for that purpose, I would find that noble in itself - pursuing your dreams no matter the cost, you know? Especially if you pined after something for a long time and earned it through determination and hard work.


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That's all good and well for people who own their own kilns and make their clothes out of wheat, but the reality of the world is that those people don't really exist so much anymore, and if they do they're crushed under this big mean "society" we all talk about, because it's so pervasive that it's impossible not to rely on it for something. You can fight it all you want but in the end it's just words.
Still, those people are around, and it's not impossible to do. We just don't see much of them as they are removed from the social construct that we function in.

Luckily, that's a mental state, not physical, so that can be acquired without being penniless at all! :D

I don't necessarily agree it's noble not to want things though, especially if they're related to a passion of yours. If your dream is to create beautiful art, and you want a high-quality paintbrush for that purpose, I would find that noble in itself - pursuing your dreams no matter the cost, you know? Especially if you pined after something for a long time and earned it through determination and hard work.
Well, specifically what I was referring to was envy. The want for what others have—directly or indirectly, conscious or not—is detrimental and in the end never yields "sufficient" results. I'm of the school of thought that it's best not to worry about it as it's detrimental for some and destructive for others, and those who set the false example of its correct functionality (the philosophy, I mean) aren't really happy either. All in all I'd rather be happy without than unhappy with. :V

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Unfortunately the real world doesn't cater to humble people, and there's no guaranteed justice from being poor and humble. If humbleness is an additional characteristic you have, great. But you can't rely on it to move forward in life.
To be honest though, if a person is humble, then it probably is their choice. I don't mean to sound rude, but they put themselves in said situation and they can get out of it as much as they got themselves into it.

I probably made no sense whatsoever there but meh oh well

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I, uh, want money. I like the money I have and I really look forward to earning more money in the future. Money buys me happiness!
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Money is something important to me. While I wish I had a way to donate to PC, I still feel that I need to save my money for better things like college for now.

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Money is something important to me. While I wish I had a way to donate to PC, I still feel that I need to save my money for better things like college for now.
I can guarantee that 25 dollars is not going to make or break college.


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I can guarantee that 25 dollars is not going to make or break college.
Indeed. However, my parents are always overly paranoid about me spending money (since they can see my financial transactions), and they don't trust debit card usage on the internet either. Since I don't have a credit card, I don't really have any other way to pay for supportership should I want to gift it to another member or add onto myself.

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Indeed. However, my parents are always overly paranoid about me spending money (since they can see my financial transactions), and they don't trust debit card usage on the internet either. Since I don't have a credit card, I don't really have any other way to pay for supportership should I want to gift it to another member or add onto myself.
You're legally an adult; you shouldn't limit your actions just because your parents tell you not to do something.

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You're legally an adult; you shouldn't limit your actions just because your parents tell you not to do something.
Ah, if only it was that easy. There are plenty of things you can legally do, but that doesn't mean they're wise decisions; I can legally pick up and take my few thousand dollars and move to Europe with no job, barely anything left after the ticket, to a country where I don't speak the language, and no one can stop me. But it would be idiotic and the consequences would be terrible.

Likewise, he's probably living with his parents, so if he's going to disobey them then he better have the money together for rent and bills. He can legally disobey them, but the consequences are probably more painful than just doing what makes them happy.


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Ah, if only it was that easy. There are plenty of things you can legally do, but that doesn't mean they're wise decisions; I can legally pick up and take my few thousand dollars and move to Europe with no job, barely anything left after the ticket, to a country where I don't speak the language, and no one can stop me. But it would be idiotic and the consequences would be terrible.

Likewise, he's probably living with his parents, so if he's going to disobey them then he better have the money together for rent and bills. He can legally disobey them, but the consequences are probably more painful than just doing what makes them happy.
Obviously no adult would really be stupid enough to think that they could spend more than what they realistically spend with no plan ahead. Maybe I'm just generalizing, but regardless, I see that as more of a common sense than anything else. I don't trust people easily, but at least I'd trust an adult to make decisions that don't completely defy common sense.

In that context, though, he just seemed to imply that his parents looking at his debit card transactions is the only factor preventing him from donating to PC. Plus it's not thousands of dollars he's spending on a trip to Europe that he's worried about. Perhaps he doesn't actually want to donate, but that's fine.

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Some people just have some things they're not that rational about and it's not worth the fight. Legally he can start the fight, but logically he probably shouldn't until he's sure that it's not going to make his life annoying long-term.

I mean, he has the perks anyway so it's not like he's missing out, you know?


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Even still, your parents shouldn't be monitoring your spending, if it's your own money.
Regardless, I could understand being worried if you were paying a couple thousand to a private account right before you went and 'met up with a friend.' for example, but donating to a forum shouldn't be the topic of the week.





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