I was responding to a post (which was deleted) that linked to a Tumblr (apparently an awful place!) post containing dozens of links to news articles on why the wage gap doesn't exist. None of them denied that the wage gap existed (the titles of the articles / names of the links to them were meant to scare and demoralize people with opposing opinions but they contained nothing of value to be convincing), but instead they blamed the wage gap on the careers women chose (such as 95% of the Fashion Industry being women) and none of them talked about why "traditinal" female occupations are paid less or why any occupation is gendered to begin with.
I don't know anything about "traditional female" occupations. What I said is women take fewer STEM jobs, and STEM jobs are higher-paying because they're high-skill, high-demand, high-importance jobs. As much respect as I have for, say, writers, they're not really in high demand.
You're asking to me to stop generalizing because I asked someone else to stop generalizing.
Yes, that's the point, two wrongs don't make a right. If you have a problem with someone generalizing, then do what I did: say that you have a problem with someone generalizing.
And we go right back to generalizing based on personal experience.
What I said was that different people have different problems and that we should consider people on an individual basis. I know an awful lot of white males living in poverty, so what I'm saying is that it's not safe to assume all this stuff based purely on what combination of genetics they happened to have when they were born. That's the exact opposite of a generalization.
They do.
I haven't seen you substantiate that claim at all, so as before, I remain unconvinced.
I don't know if you agree or disagree with the rest of what I said, but since you haven't touched on it, I'll continue to stand by that for now.
I don't care if you think it's acceptable because it's normal in your life. How can I focus my efforts on improving public dialect when my efforts to help a few people here are completely being ignored and spoken over.
If you think people aren't being given a fair shake at talking, then quote the posts you're talking about and bring up that you think they're being overlooked. I don't see what that has to do with singling someone out for using the term "retarded" in an offhanded manner to mean "stupid."
I'll tell you what's actually distracting from the discussion; people who refuse to listen. 140+ replies in this thread and people are still being told to go back to Tumblr,
Yeah, I agree. I think the tone needs to be a bit less confrontational here, that's not only a distraction, but it pushes people out of the discussion. We're not little kids, we can have a discussion about our disagreements without getting personal about it.
because anyone that recognizes power imbalances is clearly a man-hating radical.
Again, I don't have much power, so I think your recognition of the situation is incorrect. But even if you believe that, I'm not going to call you a man-hating radical. You're misguided and wrong at the very worst and I would hope that I can show you why I believe that.
140+ replies and we still have people defending usage of a harmful word because it's "tolerable", instead of wondering why a word meant to insult has become so normalized.
Whether it's harmful or not is another topic altogether. All you're going to do by singling out people for using it is convince people you have an affinity for nitpicking. If you think you have a legitimate case for why it's harmful, then discuss that in another thread, but right now it's a socially tolerable word and it's unreasonable to expect people to curb their language just because a small few people take offense.
That said, I mentioned in another thread on this topic that I, personally, try to avoid the use of these kinds of words because there are plenty of alternatives and I don't see any reason to use them if they upset people. But I do think it's a bit silly.
This will be my last reply until the tone of the discussion changes. Please do not quote me again (the notifications get annoying as it sends another everytime you edit) to tell me how wrong you think I am. I get it.
I'll take the link out of the quote, which should stop the notifications, but I will still respond to what you said because it warrants a response. The whole point of having a "discussions and debates" section is to discuss and debate, which is exactly what I'm doing. I don't think I was particularly harsh with my tone, to be honest; if I said something that you felt was hurtful, point it out in a PM and I can either explain it or apologize.