RMT Rate Team/Advice please

Started by Dalek_Kabu March 19th, 2014 12:53 PM
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Dalek_Kabu

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Ok so im trying to learn OU and need just a little help. Clefable and Greninja Must stay all others are optional.



Greninja @ Leftovers
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
Hasty Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Grass Knot
- Shadow Sneak
- Dark Pulse

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 SAtk / 252 HP / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Focus Blast
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Mild Nature
- Hyper Beam
- Calm Mind
- Draining Kiss
- Return

Haxorus @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rivalry
EVs: 220 Spd / 252 Atk / 36 HP
Jolly Nature
- Brick Break
- Dual Chop
- Iron Tail
- X-Scissor

Weavile @ Razor Claw
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Aerial Ace
- Fake Out
- Icicle Crash
- Poison Jab

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Acrobatics
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Pursuit
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While Shadow Sneak is indeed a priority move, it's rather weak with little Attack investment. Greninja is fast enough that it doesn't rely on priority to function:
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam/Dark Pulse
-Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
-U-turn/Hidden Power (Fire/Grass)/Grass Knot
Nature: Naive/Timid
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt
Ability: Protean

or
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Ice Beam
-U-turn/Extrasensory
Nature: Naive/Timid
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

Clefable needs 12 Speed EVs to outspeed Tyranitar. Focus Blast's unreliability can bite you at times, so here's an alternative:
-Calm Mind
-Moonblast
-Moonlight/Soft-boiled/Wish
-Flamethrower/Heal Bell/Aromatherapy/Protect
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Unaware/Magic Guard (note that Soft-boiled is illegal with Unaware)

Choice Specs + status move besides Trick/Spore = no. Specs leaves you locked into a single move while you're out in battle. Since you already have a Fairy in Clefable, consider other Special attackers over Sylveon, like Gengar, Thundurus (either Incarnate or Therian), Latios and Goodra.

Gengar:
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Disable/Pain Split/Will-o-Wisp
-Will-o-Wisp/Pain Split/Focus Blast
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Black Sludge/Life Orb

Incarnate Thundurus:
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Focus Blast/U-turn
-Thunder Wave
Nature: Timid/Naive
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

or
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice/Flying)
-Focus Blast/Substitute
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

or
-Thunderbolt
-Knock Off
-Superpower
-Hidden Power (Ice)/U-turn/Taunt
Nature: Naive
EVs: 76 Atk/180 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Therian Thundurus:
-Agility/Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice/Flying)
-Focus Blast/Psychic
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers/Lum Berry

or
-Agility
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice/Flying)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 156 HP/252 SAtk/100 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Latios:
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Surf/Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake
-Roost/Recover/Defog
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Surf/Hidden Power (Fire)
-Trick/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

Goodra:
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Thunderbolt/Earthquake
-Dragon Tail/Earthquake
Nature: Quiet/Sassy
EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

or
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
Nature: Modest
EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

or
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Thunderbolt
-Toxic/Dragon Tail
Nature: Calm/Sassy
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

I know that Haxorus can fix its Speed issues with Choice Scarf, but Dragon Dance does the same thing, though it also raises Attack. Rivalry is also an unreliable ability; against an opposite-gendered opponent, Haxorus' attacks are weakened. Mold Breaker is, and always will be, the preferred ability for Haxorus:
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage/Dual Chop
-Earthquake
-Poison Jab/Taunt
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 36 HP/252 Atk/220 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker

Since Haxorus has kind of fallen out of favor in OU (it still sees use there; don't get me wrong), consider using Mega Charizard X:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake/Roost
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 144 HP/244 Atk/120 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

or
-Fire Punch/Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/148 SDef/112 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

I don't like the fact that Weavile lacks a Dark STAB. Weavile's frailty lets it down in OU. In its place, I feel that Bisharp deserves a spot over Weavile to discourage Intimidators:
-Sucker Punch
-Iron Head
-Knock Off
-Pursuit/Swords Dance/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Dread Plate/Black Glasses/Leftovers
Ability: Defiant

If you opted for Megazard X, Scizor will have to make do without its Mega Stone. It's still viable without it. Why have Acrobatics when you don't have a consumable item? It's not that strong if Scizor has an item, and Mega Stones aren't used up once a Pokemon Mega Evolves:
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Bug Bite/U-turn/X-Scissor/Knock Off
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/40 Atk/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Scizorite
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Bug Bite/X-Scissor/U-turn
-Knock Off/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb/Scizorite
Ability: Technician

or
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-Pursuit/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

Dalek_Kabu

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Greninja @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Blizzard
- Dark Pulse

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Spd
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Flamethrower
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 SDef / 252 SAtk / 16 Spd
Modest Nature
- Sunny Day
- Toxic
- Venoshock
- Synthesis

Florges (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 132 SDef / 172 HP / 200 SAtk / 4 Spd
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Petal Dance
- Moonblast
- Grassy Terrain

Volcarona @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Quiver Dance
- Flamethrower
- Fiery Dance

Absol @ Absolite
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- Hone Claws
- Psycho Cut

new version of the team any tweaks?
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Greninja should use Ice Beam instead of Blizzard. Yes, people use Focus Blast, which has the same accuracy, but only because they have to. Hydro Pump and Fire Blast see use because 80% accuracy isn't terrible. Ice Beam's 100% accuracy makes it the more reliable option.


Mega Venusaur is completely walled by Steel types, or anything that resists Poison, for that matter. Something like this'd be a bit better:


-Mega Venusaur w/Venusarite
Nature: Modest
Ability: Chlorophyll (Thick Fat)
EVs: 240 HP, 252 Sp.attack, 16 Speed
Moves: Giga drain, Sludge Bomb, Synthesis, Hidden Power Fire/Ground


or


-Mega Venusaur w/Venusaurite
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Chlorophyll (Thick Fat)
EVs: 240 HP, 252 attack, 16 Speed
Moves: Power Whip, Earthquake, Sleep Powder, Synthesis/Leech Seed


The HP EVs let it take hits from both sides better. Venoshock is an unreliable strategy since it is dependent on the opponent being poisoned. Steel types, Poison types, Gliscor, and clerics all screw over poison based tactics.


I don't remember how to use Florges, but I can tell you that Grassy Terrain has no use on it.


Volcarona doesn't need 2 fire attacks. Pick between Fiery Dance or Fire Blast, then fill in the open moveslot with Giga Drain or Hurricane or Psychic (Giga drain is the best though).


Absol should use a STAB move and Play Rough. Those are helpful to it, Hone Claws and Megahorn are not.


That should get you started....


There's Platinum. Now you should be good to go, Kabu.
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i tried using gigadrain but PS wont allow it in ou says it clashes with ability or other move the rest ill use ty
Try it with Flame Body instead.
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PlatinumDude

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Better Megasaur sets:
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Earthquake/Sleep Powder
-Synthesis
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef or 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Venusaurite

or
-Giga Drain/Leech Seed
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Synthesis/Protect
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Venusaurite

Sylveon >>>>>>>>>>> Florges. Sylveon passes bigger Wishes and poses more offensive presence thanks to Pixialte-boosted Hyper Voices:
-Wish
-Protect
-Hyper Voice
-Heal Bell/Calm Mind
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Pixialte

You can only Mega Evolve 1 Pokemon per battle. Remove Venusaur or Absol, but if you insist on keeping Absol:
-Sucker Punch
-Pursuit/Knock Off/Night Slash
-Fire Blast
-Play Rough/Superpower
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Absolite
Ability: Super Luck/Justified

or
-Swords Dance
-Sucker Punch
-Night Slash/Knock Off
-Play Rough/Baton Pass
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Absolite
Ability: Super Luck/Justified

If Absol is to be taken out, Bisharp can be used in its place:
-Sucker Punch
-Iron Head
-Knock Off
-Pursuit/Swords Dance
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Dread Plate/Black Glasses/Life Orb
Ability: Defiant

Edit: Flamethrower and Fiery Dance are redundant on Volcarona:
-Quiver Dance
-Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Giga Drain/Hidden Power (Ground/Rock)/Psychic
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body

or
-Quiver Dance
-Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Roost
Nature: Timid
EVs: 240 HP/252 SAtk/16 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body