HM Slaves

Started by Aeroblast March 22nd, 2014 1:34 PM
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Sometimes people use Pokemon with multiple HMs to navigate through the Pokemon world easier at a "cost" of one team slot, and are usually referred to by the term "HM Slave." Do you use HM Slaves? What do you think about it?

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I used to.

But they should just abolish HMs already, and allow 'mons to use their natural abilities without taking up a moveslot.


As I've said before in a similar thread- a Wailord should still be able to swim even though it doesn't have Surf in its movepool.

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I always use HM Slaves, I would probably go crazy without them. Bibarel is my favorite due to being able to learn Strength, Waterfall, Surf and Cut. It also has decent stats to run a physical set and gains STAB on all mentioned moves. With STAB Strength and Waterfall (both 80BP) and a Physical Nature/EV spread it isn't wasted party space. Luckily both Gen 5 and 6 gave us a Pokémon to Fly with the Ability Flame Body as well so I use those in my play through. Those are obviously useful for breeding later.
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Sometimes people use Pokemon with multiple HMs to navigate through the Pokemon world easier at a "cost" of one team slot, and are usually referred to by the term "HM Slave." Do you use HM Slaves? What do you think about it?
No I don't & won't make a HM Slave, I just give HMs to their respective 'mons like flash to Pikachu & Rock smash to Geodude.. it helps a lot and doesn't waste a PokeSlot.


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I always have at least one HM Slave. I don't want moves like Cut and Strength on my guys when there are better options available. The HM Slaves don't really bother me as I always box them, and withdraw them when I need them. However, I still think HM's are moves that are unnecessary and can easily be replaced by items.

Bibaral and Tropius for ultimate HM Slaves though.

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I always have one. It's more convenient for me. With the exception of Surf and Waterfall, I never find HM moves useful in battle. Putting them on my battle Pokes feels like a waste so I just put them all into one Pokemon. That way when I'm done adventuring or retrieving an item or whatever it is I need the HM move for I can just put it back into the PC.

Except Fly. I use Fly often enough that it's easier to put it on one of my main Pokes.
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I always have HM Slaves, but they're not 'salves' per se. Since I consider Pokemon to be like my pets I treat them equally with love and care as my other Pokemon. Such as feeding them Poke puffs, giving them massages and playing with them with the Pokemon-Ami.

My almighty slave you may ask? Why none other than Mew :)

If I'm doing a challenge run, I just take the best Pokemon suited for the job such as Sentret, Goldeen, Tentacool etc.
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I usually do since there are some HMs I'd rather not teach to my main team, like cut. I don't really intend for Pokemon to become HM slaves but if one can learn a bulk or all of the HMs I don't use in battle then I just go for it to maximize party space.

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I never understood people who treat HM moves like they're the plague. With the exception of Cut and Rock Smash (which are never necessary past the game's midway point) and Flash and Defog (which are never absolutely necessary at all), none of the HM moves are bad at all. Yeah, Fly and Strength are outclassed by Brave Bird and Return in competitive play, but they're perfectly viable for in-game purposes.

So yeah, I just slap HM attacks on my main battling team and keep on truckin'. I'll just delete Cut and Rock Smash with the move deleter later in the game anyways. XD
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I used to have HM Slaves because even though I'm not a competitive player, I do like to have decent attacks for my Pokemon; but I got sick of having to go back and forth to my PC. I just went "screw it" and put the the attacks on my pokemon while making sure their other 3 attacks are more than enough to get through the game.

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I never understood people who treat HM moves like they're the plague. With the exception of Cut and Rock Smash (which are never necessary past the game's midway point) and Flash and Defog (which are never absolutely necessary at all), none of the HM moves are bad at all. Yeah, Fly and Strength are outclassed by Brave Bird and Return in competitive play, but they're perfectly viable for in-game purposes.

So yeah, I just slap HM attacks on my main battling team and keep on truckin'. I'll just delete Cut and Rock Smash with the move deleter later in the game anyways. XD
Besides Surf (the only actual good one), Fly, and Dive- pretty much all the HM moves are pretty mediocre.

Flash would be okay if it lowered accuracy two stages. Cut and Strength would be better had they additional effects.

And I think the really frustrating part is their being unforgettable until you get to a Move Deleter.

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I've used HM slaves before, but now I don't cause it takes up a slot. Just teach team members HMs. I do , however, teach certain Pokemon (like Bibaral and Bunnelby ) the HMs and take them out when needed.
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No I don't - I hate the term "slave" I call them "HM Companions" I only use the HMs Surf and Cut, and I teach them to a Pokemon that will use them.
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I have never used "HM Slaves" and I never will. I don't want to be forced to go back and forth to a PC at any point in the games and I cannot stand to have any of my main Pokemon team not be at or around the same level (HM Slaves don't usually get trained) and not be able to hold their own in battle. So I spread all HM moves that the generation has amongst my whole team. Each Pokemon will have at least 1 and some will have 2, but they still have 2-3 powerful moves. This doesn't effect the difficulty in the least bit. If you have trouble beating a Pokemon game with 6 high level Pokemon that have 2-3 high damage moves then you are doing something wrong.
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If there was something like an endgame HM slave, it would be Dragonite who can learn every single HM but Rock Climb. Since boulders now permanently remain where they are, the only necessary moves in order to get around are Fly, Cut, Surf and Waterfall, although we usually ditch the last one for either Flash/Rock Smash which are luckily not HMs anymore.
The only other one to consider is Talonflame. The only thing he can perform is Fly, but the utility of Flame Body is invaluable. Also, it has Thief, in contrast to Volcarona.
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Sometimes people use Pokemon with multiple HMs to navigate through the Pokemon world easier at a "cost" of one team slot, and are usually referred to by the term "HM Slave." Do you use HM Slaves? What do you think about it?
I usually sacrifice a move slot on my regular team. It's hard enough limiting yourself to six Pokemon without cutting that down to 5 just for an HM slave.

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I used to have HM slaves xD. It may take up one slot, but at least ur other pokemon can still learn some new moves than the hm everytime ;-;
I never put any hms on samurott (except surf ;]), but mostly on my slave xD
I now divide the HMs between all my pkmn in my team equally ^^
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I think putting all the HMs on a single pokemon is more tedious, as I know that I wouldn't use it as a full fledged party member, so swapping it in the PC would be an absolute pain. Aside from that, most of the moves are decent enough, that you can find a suitable pokemon for them
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