Arceus The Real God?

Started by Trainer VyNk March 31st, 2014 2:18 PM
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Is Arceus Real God?

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Primary Topic: Theories on Arceus.

Secondary Topic: The Original Dragon?



Arceus was Considered as God of all Pokemons in Arceus in Jewel of life
what nintendo be thinking?
Leaving Arceus as it is or Perhaps new generations will bring superior & powerful pokemons as legendaries in spite of Arceus being God.

Share your thoughts, I'll leave Wiki & bulbapedia for you guys ;)


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Some People also say that Arceus along with Mew created PokeUniverse. how come that be?
their counter-parts would probably Giratina & Mewtwo.


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Let's face it, Arceus is the God of the Pokémon world. The helix fossil is just an idol that people worship. What I would believe is that Mew was probably Arceus's "saviour"!
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They keep trying to start something with this whole 'god pokemon' thing, but they never follow through with it.
Yeah, if they need "God" then stick to one whom all worships.

Let's face it, Arceus is the God of the Pokémon world. The helix fossil is just an idol that people worship. What I would believe is that Mew was probably Arceus's "saviour"!
Arceus's Saviour Mew? how come that be? Could you explain?

However, I can say they will probably add more & more "Fake" Gods using their old Generation exclusive God formula. {XD}

Sorry Nintendo, but you're running out of ideas!


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Real god? Every legendary monster is a power within its respective pantheon (if such status is applicable to the individual monster) within the region it is associated with. So, there are many deities and their spheres of influence may well conflict quite heavily, but (to my knowledge) that's fine where the Pokemon games were created. This sort of syncreticism is familiar to Japan, and it gets a bit lost in cultural translation when one thinks about it in Christocentric terms. So, Arceus, god of the universe? Maybe. That's what they'd tell you in Shinō, but maybe not elsewhere.



The helix fossil is just an idol that people worship.
How does the helix fossil pertain to anything here?

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I think what nintendo should do in a while is portray Arceus as a false god and have a level where we go deep into the earth to find the true pokegod because Arceus goes on a rampage killing everyone or something idk.
I see it this way. Don't call anything god. Arceus is the creator of the pokeverse. It has very high creative powers. There is also the unseen original dragon that might surpass Arceus in Attack and Special Attack. It is yin and yang so it stands for seemingly opposite or complementary qualities of everthing in the universe. It can probably create by using it dragon energy and it temperature powers to change atmospherical conditions to create ideal weather. May raise the level of the land and make it fertile but I do not believe it has the same creative powers that Arceus has. I see Arceus as the originator of spirit and physicality in other words the universe. Other pokemon might have been born as a consequence of the energies used to create the universe. Like Mew. I say that Mew was born in the universe with unlimited potential to fill it with all sorts of different life forms. I have no idea where the original dragon my have originated from if before or after the universe. And possibly a few legendaries where born from the remnants of energy from Arceus within the newly born universe and helped give it shape. Unown when together have legendary power and it is hinted that they and Arceus work together to create something new. They might be what they call it's ten thousand arms and possibly with other legendaries they gave shape to the universe. Unown are like that theory in quantum physics that every possible reality exists ( particals and stuff) simulteniously and when there is a consious observer based on the definition the observer uses the universe takes shape. The unown are generating every possible reality (that which they call chaos before the beginning of times) and Arceus merly gives order to create it's desired reality.

I would like to add that while Giratina is indeed Arceus counterpart you are forgetting that Dialga, Palkia, Uxie, Mespirit and Azelf are also Arceus' counterparts. People tend to see this as God Devil thing where it doesn't follow in the pokeverse. Maybe they have traits in common Arceus being the creator and Giratina being the renagade but Giratina also stands for anti-matter. Along with Space and Time they conjoin to make the wholistic universe pokemon live in. God and Satan is more of a messed up story of rivalry. I will also like to point out for those who don't know that Satan was created by God as Lucifer in a ceromony of celebration where God felt inspired to make the best being he could possibly create. Perfect in every way. And so he did and he was but I think he was consented to much and started feeling better than the rest and felt that he had certain right that other didn't because he was perfect. God scolded him for those things and then Lucifer must have felt like ♥♥♥♥♥ I'm perfect I'm sure that you even made me better than you. So I now want to play God. They had arguments and fights and later wars because he probably used arguments against God that sounded so appealing that other Angels followed. One time he sited in God's throne and God got pist. He tempted people who God favored. The thing got to a point where Lucifer decided to attack God to take his place and God with a mighty breath send Lucifer and angels to what appears to be our dimension and below and so now we are stuck with them. I don't know what will be in Giratina's case but Girarina doesn't seem to be as violent as it is described. He is also in Reverse world to bring order to the matter in our universe so it is doing its job and it's being a good pokemon and the situation is not the same as in Satan in hell where he drags people who have nothing to do with his conflict with god to hell because he is pist.

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Palkia is the Space pokemon
Dialga is the Time pokemon
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon
Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an"ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it
:Arceus ; life
; Alpha Giratina
; death ; Omega
Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work?
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Sorry for double posting.

So, aside from Arceus being God thing.

People actually argue about who came first

Mew or Arceus?

Well honestly I'm not Hurting anyone so put spoiler. (may hurt but open at your own risk!)
Spoiler:
Okay so I think,
Before Big bang (in Pokeverse)
All Powers including Time, Space, Gravity, Spiritual, and matter were just individuals fleeing around each other but one day all Crashed or perhaps fought each other which created chaos.. afterwards an Egg appeared carring Arceus inside of it,
When Arceus hatched it saw that chaos and felt lonely, so Arceus got to known its powers and Created a World.
Afterwards, He/She created Mew (Just like God created first man on Earth) Along with Mew, Arceus Created landmass whilst Mew created Pokemons such as Eevee.
To make pokemon live, Arceus used his/her powers to create Helpers such as Dialga for time, Palkia for Space to make pokeverse balanced.. Thus Mew is Ancestor while Arceus is God who created Land!


So if you liked it then feel free to drop a post by. :)

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Sorry for double posting.

So, aside from Arceus being God thing.

People actually argue about who came first

Mew or Arceus?

Well honestly I'm not Hurting anyone so put spoiler. (may hurt but open at your own risk!)
Spoiler:
Okay so I think,
Before Big bang (in Pokeverse)
All Powers including Time, Space, Gravity, Spiritual, and matter were just individuals fleeing around each other but one day all Crashed or perhaps fought each other which created chaos.. afterwards an Egg appeared carring Arceus inside of it,
When Arceus hatched it saw that chaos and felt lonely, so Arceus got to known its powers and Created a World.
Afterwards, He/She created Mew (Just like God created first man on Earth) Along with Mew, Arceus Created landmass whilst Mew created Pokemons such as Eevee.
To make pokemon live, Arceus used his/her powers to create Helpers such as Dialga for time, Palkia for Space to make pokeverse balanced.. Thus Mew is Ancestor while Arceus is God who created Land!


So if you liked it then feel free to drop a post by. :)

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Well not really :P
We think similarly in that Arceus created Mew so it could fill his universe with many types of creatures. I don't know if Mew's existence was a consequence or if it was deliberate. I don't know what was going on before Arceus made the universe either nor how the egg came to be. It is a mystery. I bet this is a territory gamefreak could exploit to make more stories. Any story that fits with the theme will have to do for now.

I do have the Unown theory that is mentioned above and is easier for me to believe it that way. I don't know if Unown all ways existed or if they were created by Arceus or if they were born with Arceus or even possibly that they have had created Arceus themselves. One thing i know is that they can also create. Arceus summons them in Shinjo when creating an egg. So there is a connection between the two what it is is unclear. I can speculate like they are his 10,000 arms or that they are his word like the word of the hebrew God or both are one and the same. It occured to me that the Unown were creating chaos creating without control and that Arceus gave order to establish a reality. If you note in the movies when you see the Unown dimension there it seems to be a void that has a scrambbled background. That could be all realities at once or so I like to think.
In the movies Unown are also able to create any desired reality although their creations don't seem to be stable. As they will dissapear if the Unown are defeated. And also you know the chaos that was form in the movie when they started creating so I could use that to give support to this theory.

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We think similarly in that Arceus created Mew so it could fill his universe with many types of creatures. I don't know if Mew's existence was a consequence or if it was deliberate. I don't know what was going on before Arceus made the universe nor how the egg came to be. It is a mystery. I bet this is a territory gamefreak could exploit to make more stories. Any story that fits with the theme will have to do for now.
Correct. its a mystery o.O

Now after Posting those lines, I think of new mysterious aspects
:3c don't worry I won't post anymore {XD}

Leaving this thread open... ..

Because Pokeverse is mysterious shading new secrets which lie
untold yet to be uncovered.

Any thoughts? Leave a post here, its ok if you use fiction :P (as I did)


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Correct. its a mystery o.O

Now after Posting those lines, I think of new mysterious aspects
:3c don't worry I won't post anymore {XD}
I don't worry so don't mind me. Actually I love these types of discussions and I like to show my ideas or expose an idea that might give explenation to phenomena like this. That is what threads are for to take out your ideas and debate. So again don't worry I don't mind having conversations or even discussions. If you do not desire to post anymore that's fine. I'll respect your decision.

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I don't worry so don't mind me. Actually I love these types of discussions and I like to show my ideas or expose an idea that might give explenation to phenomena like this. That is what threads are for to take out your ideas and debate. So again don't worry I don't mind have conversations or even discussions. If you do not desire to post anymore that's fine. I'll respect your decision.
I also want to take parts in discussions like this. but you know if I post something like "aww I didn't know" with a quote it will feel like kind of over-exaggerating or foolish :P

so I wait for someone's post {XD}


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Under Greek Mythology term then yes Arceus is the God Of Pokemon
Would you please Describe your theory in more detail?

I mean which Greek myth?

where you heard them?


A theory I like is that Mew created Arceus, who then used Mew's DNA to create the planet and all its pokemon.
any proofs?

well I was joking, feel free to fictionate your theory as long as it makes sense.

P.S. now I think I should have put a poll "MEW or Arceus?" :P {XD}


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This conversation reminds me of my religion Hinduism, where there are a lot of gods but there are 3 main one, like Bramha (Arcues) and Dialga and Palkia (Vishnu or Shiva, depends on which one destroys and creates) Then again, there is Giratina, and its 6 tentacle-things, 6 crowns-things on its neck, and 6 spikes on the side of its bosy, not to mention it kind of behaves like the devil.

I don't Think There is a real pokemon god, I yust don't think thats possible,
In what sense is this not possible?

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I do not believe that Arceus is meant to be the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. My reasoning is that Nintendo would not want to offend more religious players. Arceus is probably closer to a chief god of an ancient polytheistic system, like Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Anu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, or Ba'al. In my fanfics, Arceus is portrayed as a Pokemon that is beyond human comprehension, and that its physical appearance is merely the form that it uses around humans. Characters in my fanfics do not know much about Arceus.

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This conversation reminds me of my religion Hinduism, where there are a lot of gods but there are 3 main one, like Bramha (Arcues) and Dialga and Palkia (Vishnu or Shiva, depends on which one destroys and creates) Then again, there is Giratina, and its 6 tentacle-things, 6 crowns-things on its neck, and 6 spikes on the side of its bosy, not to mention it kind of behaves like the devil.
So your Hindu too? hello bro, I'm from India as well.

though, Shiva maybe Arceus then haha. {XD}

but let me tell you I'm 14 though I've gained quite knowledge about pokemons ;)

And don't forget to Discuss and post helpful things about Arceus.


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I do not believe that Arceus is meant to be the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. My reasoning is that Nintendo would not want to offend more religious players. Arceus is probably closer to a chief god of an ancient polytheistic system, like Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Anu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, or Ba'al. In my fanfics, Arceus is portrayed as a Pokemon that is beyond human comprehension, and that its physical appearance is merely the form that it uses around humans. Characters in my fanfics do not know much about Arceus.
Yeah, Nintendo doesn't offend religious players such as me.

you've gained much knowledge :)

keep giving waves of theories until 7th Generation which will bring New GOD haha {XD}

Thanks for posting here!


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This conversation reminds me of my religion Hinduism, where there are a lot of gods but there are 3 main one, like Bramha (Arcues) and Dialga and Palkia (Vishnu or Shiva, depends on which one destroys and creates) Then again, there is Giratina, and its 6 tentacle-things, 6 crowns-things on its neck, and 6 spikes on the side of its bosy, not to mention it kind of behaves like the devil.
Arceus is like Brahma in the sense that both are creators but Palkia nor Dialga do the functions of Shiva nor Vishnu.
They represent two aspects of creation being Space and Time. Giratina is also another aspect of creation being anti - matter that goes hand in hand with our universe's matter. From Arceus also came forth spirit that has three characteristics: consciousness, sentience and willpower. It's embodiments being Uxie, Mespirit and Azelf respectively. The way I see it is that Palkia, Dialga and Girarina are embodiments of their respective themes. Each one has a dimmension that conjoin to form the universe where pokemon dwell. The spirits allow that those who live in the universe feel and therefor live the experience of existence. The six of them are manifestations of Arceus were one set represent physical manifestation and the other represnts spirituality.

There is also an unseen pokemon in the myths of Unova refered to as the original dragon. It is the original form of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem. And it represents presence of yin and yang in balance. If it was present in the games its energy could surpass Arceus in both Attack and Special Attack but I doubt that it has the same degree of creative powers that Arceus has. I'm sure it can change the atmosphere to create the ideal conditions to form an ecosystem but it can also with that ease destroy them. It stands for principals. Yin and Yang refered to as ideals and truth in game. The Yin and Yang are the innate forces of nature that are opposite to each other but complement themselves. One stand for female another for male. They also represent softness and roughness, inactive and active, dark and light, ect... This pokemon is closer to the concept of Vishnu as it is something that always was. The only thing is that before the universe yin and yang had another form. There was no distinction between the two were it was boundless and infinite.

The Kalos legendary trio represent life, destruction (death) and order. The last two being similar to Vishnu and Shiva. They are called Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde. Xerneas cannot create to the degree that Arceus can but it can grant eternal life and it can create vast forests using its power. Yveltal takes life away and makes it its own. It is said to destroy like Shiva. Zygarde represents order between life and death. When the ecosystem falls into dissaray it summons forth its hidden power and restores the ecosystem. It is more like Vishnu in a sense were it preserves.

I hope this didn't sound like a lecture. I really like pokemon myths and know about them aswell as somethings from real world myths. I just wanted to point out that Dialga and Palkia do not represent preservation and destruction. Perhaps they do preserve each of their own dimmension but it's not like Vishnu does. And Trainer I hope I don't feel like I'm bothering anyones ways of thinking.

Originally a post from Tao Trio's Original Form. Something I decided to move from an old thread since it fits more accurately with this one. Its my old hypothesis on Arceus and the original dragon. I later changed to the belief that Unown created Arceus and together they created the universe.

Spoiler:
Also although not in Judeo- Christian believes in Hinduism there is a creator god called brahman that created the universe with his own body. Him being the universe. He has a counterpart called Shiva that destroys in order for brahman to be able to create more so it wouldn't be fix all the time and bring change. Vishnu is representative of the stuff of god the basic element that is always preserved so there is always continuity. The creator has a life span and at the end he dies and shiva reduces everthing to nothing. Only Vishnu is left asleep. Until he awakens to produce another creator.

Arceus= Brahman
Vishnu = the original dragon

Arceus has judeo christian traits from god in the sense that it can change types being who ever and what ever he wants to be when he want to be. The power to create from nothing. Both created the universe. But Arceus can die and the universe won't fade away if it dies (movie referance). There is nothing stronger than God but Arceus has this dragon surpassing it. The only thing that fits is that Arceus is made out of this ultimate energy that is embodied by the dragon.

Edit: Or they are two different and separate deity like monsters. Is not uncommon that there are more than one god in different religions. Arceus is the power of creation and the original dragon is just an universal force that represent truth and ideals. Yin and Yang also being spirituality and physicality. Although it has potential monstruos power perhaps surpassung Arceus in that aspect I doubt that it has the ability to create in the manner that Arceus does. Also Deoxys has monstrous Attack and Special Atrack when in Attack form and it's not even considered a diety just the mutation of an extraterrestrial virus. So I don't believe anything invalidates that Arceus is the creator of the universe in a ficticious reality.

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There is also an unseen pokemon in the myths of Unova refered to as the original dragon. It is the original form of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.
Well why can't the original dragon be Arceus? If the myths on Arceus are true, then didn't he create all three of the Unova legendary's plus he is the strongest legendary so wouldn't that match up with the Unova theory?
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