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I find those discussions somewhat interesting, but that might just be me and my lack of knowledge regarding the meta. If there's a different place to get a better insight of the meta, I'd like to know, though. (not counting battles, obviously)

Also that thread provides a good threatlist. Now, If only that list wasn't so long...
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Oh, right. We do have our own Threat List. So, can someone give me some tips on how to prepare for Hoopa-U, assuming that I don't want to build a Hyper offensive team?
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Oh, right. We do have our own Threat List. So, can someone give me some tips on how to prepare for Hoopa-U, assuming that I don't want to build a Hyper offensive team?
From what I've heard, packing some U-Turn rains on its parade.

I've yet to face one yet myself though :c Diancie is more common on cartridge now but Hoopa U hasn't quite hit the mainstream.

And yeah; we had a pretty cool threat list last I saw. Under construction still, but already decently comprehensive.
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More stuff from the Smogon "experts":

"If you could change one thing about OU, what would it be and why?

Allowing lugia in OU would be a pretty cool thing. I've been discussing this with some friends and they think I'm crazy, but let me still try to explain lol.
The OU Council already tried to reduce the match up issue by suspecting Aegislash for a second time. Centralizing the metagame around a Pokemon that checks the majority of threats was the reasoning for this. However Aegislash was a threating Pokemon by itself, having very few counters in OU. So if the council wants something that checks the majority of threats, why not trying Lugia? Lugia has like 0 offensive presence and it is a set up bait for every single steel type/magic guard/magic bounce Pokemon, and OU has plenty of them. Lugia is also bothered by every single status condition and Stealth Rock. Destiny Device, even after hearing all my reasoning, simply said: "LUGIA DOESN'T DIE HELLO???". Are you sure man? I'm not convinced it is that indestructible. Suspect it imo. I didn't bring this up to discussion with someone like McMeghan because it sounds silly as psyduck and he would probably say the same thing, so I'm just gonna share these random thoughts of my mind publicly in this thread, and nowhere else lol"
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yeah no, I'd rather not have Lugia in OU unless I have a Zekrom in tow to smash it apart with
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why do you bring up such muk posts by muk posters and try to make it a big deal?
The fun thing is that Denisssss (the BP troll) said that.
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Would be cool, if people were more into finding ways to make the meta a better place, instead of just looking for funny quotes. That way the amount of competent posters during Suspect Tests could potentially increase, significantly.

Speaking of which: there's also a discussion about how Suspect Testing could be improved.
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In response to Lugia being tested for ou.

Im a stall player (Lugia would be muk vs stall) and even i think it would be bs. It essentially shreds offense, because you literally cannot kill it. Imagine a faster, bulkier Gliscor with an option of choosing pressure or Multiscale and imagine trying to KO its subs with offense as it Roosts....lol.

How can you set up on something with access to Whirlwind/Roar/Dragon Tail? What Magic Bounce/Guard user likes taking a CM Aeroblast? This thing is also fast and thanks to multiscale you dont even need much investment in its defenses.

I dont think this has been thought through. We dont need more threats, we need less and thats one of the reasons gen 6 is ass. A broken pokemon checking other broken pokemon does not a good metagame make.
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More stuff from the Smogon "experts":

"If you could change one thing about OU, what would it be and why?

Allowing lugia in OU would be a pretty cool thing. I've been discussing this with some friends and they think I'm crazy, but let me still try to explain lol.
The OU Council already tried to reduce the match up issue by suspecting Aegislash for a second time. Centralizing the metagame around a Pokemon that checks the majority of threats was the reasoning for this. However Aegislash was a threating Pokemon by itself, having very few counters in OU. So if the council wants something that checks the majority of threats, why not trying Lugia? Lugia has like 0 offensive presence and it is a set up bait for every single steel type/magic guard/magic bounce Pokemon, and OU has plenty of them. Lugia is also bothered by every single status condition and Stealth Rock. Destiny Device, even after hearing all my reasoning, simply said: "LUGIA DOESN'T DIE HELLO???". Are you sure man? I'm not convinced it is that indestructible. Suspect it imo. I didn't bring this up to discussion with someone like McMeghan because it sounds silly as psyduck and he would probably say the same thing, so I'm just gonna share these random thoughts of my mind publicly in this thread, and nowhere else lol"
besides what sri said, it just kills me that you spend so much of your time here making fun of other players and ideas when you routinely promote mukty pokemon/ideas and make glaring misplays in your battles. besides being extremely irritating, the frequent mukposting is inhibiting your development as a player which is really a shame since, if you improved your attitude, you'd be a top battler on this site in no time.

also, these are the kinds of posts that make people (justifiably) think that the competitive community is shadow tag-level cancerous, but whatever.

Would be cool, if people were more into finding ways to make the meta a better place, instead of just looking for funny quotes. That way the amount of competent posters during Suspect Tests could potentially increase, significantly.

Speaking of which: there's also a discussion about how Suspect Testing could be improved.
i think the thread you link to is an important discussion. i personally don't have a problem with the voter pool, though i am not against restricting it further. that said, i think the idea implicitly put forth by the current process that a suspect ladder can truly give you an honest look at an alternative metagame with(out) the suspect in question is very flawed except in the most extreme circumstances. but the extreme circumstances are easy to theorymon ("people might stop using scarf greninja if mmence is banned") that they fit the parameters of a quickban more anyway. i think the metagame with the suspect is much more important than the metagame without it, especially since arguments centered around the absence of a suspect tend to be very subjective ("this meta is so much better/worse now!") or lazy and subject to change ("mega metagross has made fairies op!").

i can't say suspect testing policy is something i've given much thought to since it is much less relevant to this site, but i suppose i am glad they're discussing making it better.
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Lugia has surprising offensive pressure with weakness policy IMO. But it doesn't need to attack.

Anyways, I still can't find much anything that counters Hoopa. Lando and Scrafty come close, but get destroyed by Ice punch and gunk shot. Hippowdon isnt strong enough and get's it's defence lowered by hyperspace fury. I don't want to only check this thing, but when your only true "counter" is eviolite Rhydon with megahorn (and even it just gets screwed over by energy ball.), it seems like that's the only choice.

I remember for a while everyone was saying how bad Hoopa was. Hopefully Volcanion won't be as powerful.
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Volcanion looks powerful. Steam Eruption pretty much is Scald combined with Hydro Pump, but with better Accuracy. Having an immunity to Water and a resistance to Fairy is also nice. One of its downsides is probably its Speed, as base 70 isn't really that outstanding.

Then again, Volcanion might get some kind of an alternate form, as well. I mean Diancie got a Mega and Hoopa its Unbound form, so it seems quite possible.
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Anyways, I still can't find much anything that counters Hoopa. Lando and Scrafty come close, but get destroyed by Ice punch and gunk shot. Hippowdon isnt strong enough and get's it's defence lowered by hyperspace fury. I don't want to only check this thing, but when your only true "counter" is eviolite Rhydon with megahorn (and even it just gets screwed over by energy ball.), it seems like that's the only choice.

I remember for a while everyone was saying how bad Hoopa was. Hopefully Volcanion won't be as powerful.
Scrafty doesnt lose to gunk shot. Hyperspace fury doesnt lower hippowdons defense. It doesnt lower anythings defense apart from hoopas own because thats how the move works.
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So today I joined a doubles uu battle as a spectator and was like WTF!How the hell is blaziken-mega,darkrai and deoxys is allowed in doubles uu!
After that I checked in smogon's dou uu thread and confirmed that ubers and ou's are not allowed!
Is this an server related issue or I am being just to naive?
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yo this is ultra dead

so what are you guy's first impressions of Zygarde-Puppy form / any of the others

it doesn't look like it will be extremely broken but tbh they only said it was fast and had extremely sharp teeth / jaws (maybe hinting at it having Strong Jaw as an ability). though i could be completely wrong and it could pull a mega altaria and surprise us

Zygarde-Unicron forme (aka 100% i just like naming it after random transformers b/c I mean look at it) looks like it might srsly be the first mon with 900+ bst but idk that would probably get shipped to AG unless it somehow manages to seriously suck

Zygarde-50% is still bland and boring

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We don't know if it's really gonna be "Pokemon Z" for sure yet but it's a possibility

But yeah Zygarde 100% is clearly gonna be Ubers

or maybe Game Freak'll lose their minds and make it stronger than Mega Ray
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Maybe that Thousand Arrows tech will cut down on Geomancy's usage in Ubers, though.
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Okay, we've known that special Primal Groudon has been used to success. I looked through the Ubers analyses thread in Smogon and I found a physical Primal Kyogre set in progress:
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EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
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the low Ubers ladder is still awful lol
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i keep losing 2 pokes to hoopa unbound, yet i feel like i never lose to hoopa unbound teams. i feel like this is a microcosm of hoopa unbound's existence in ou.

also, the milwaukee bucks have an interesting squad this year.
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I plan to join a local PKMN ORAS tournament in my region, and I am thinking of different ways to counter Megaskhan because that thing is really broken as fudge. (Legendaries aren't allowed in this tourney.)

I wanna know if this little theory of mine will work against it: Imposter Ditto holding a Quick Powder. Will my Ditto become faster than the foe's Megaskhan?