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Old April 10th, 2014 (1:10 PM). Edited December 30th, 2018 by Taiji Dragon.
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Old April 10th, 2014 (1:21 PM).
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It looks like a Nosepass, so they're hinting at a Hoenn remake! At least that's what only I think. I don't know about the others.
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Old April 10th, 2014 (1:42 PM).
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It says it's a region we've never visited, so it clearly cannot be Hoenn. I wish, though; personally, I loved that place. :( As for Pokémon, I'm not really sure about that… judging from the skeleton, I do agree that it looks sort of humanoid.
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Old April 11th, 2014 (6:35 AM).
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If you talk to him multiple times, he gives more detail.

He says they have their own league with Gyms, E4, and Champion. Their own set of legends, and that its not "Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or Unova."

He was originally a very huge anchor for the Hoenn remake apostles, but when more info came out and the NPC specifically saying hes not from Hoenn and has a full Region that we haven't seen yet, adding onto his "Well, you'll see soon enough." remarks.

Its a new Region in the works. We're not getting DLCs for X and Y so he's referencing Gen 7 as New Region + New Pokemon = New Generation.
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First and foremost I want to punch every youtuber in the face, they just never shut up and go one and one abotu all their stupid little crap for an hour before getting to the point of ANYTHING in their videos! :D Anyway, I was trying to find a youtube video of the whole conversation and can't find anything of what Khrysta said (can you post a link please?) all I can find is videos showing the hiker saying "The Kalos Region is nice and all, but you've really got to check out my region. Where is it you ask? I can tell you it's not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh or even Unova" And it even shows them talking to the backpacker again and he just repeats what he said, so I don't know where you read him say all the stuff abotu their own gyms, E4 and so on, but I would really like to please. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrSVZHKSaI )

anyway I REALLY think everyone is looking WAY too much into it. (Gen 7? Already? Come on!) And grossly overlooking the obvious. Remember how Orre was a new region but it was still the same gen? We've already seen the footage for the Wii U (again, youtubers just are incapable of ever shutting the hell up in desperate and failed attempts at being entertaining when they really need to just convey information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAebPeYOaI0 ) so why is a gen 7 MORE likely than simply a new region for the Wii U game? Munchlax was first shown in Colloseum or XD (Can't remember which) and there is already actual indications (not wild speculation based on in game text) of *something* coming for the Wii U. Why not another Orre like region for the Wii U?
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Awesome, thanks! and I'll post the link here because like I said I would like to see more on this subject, the youtube videos I was finding were just rage inducing in their meandering nonsense! Thanks! :D
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First and foremost I want to punch every youtuber in the face, they just never shut up and go one and one abotu all their stupid little crap for an hour before getting to the point of ANYTHING in their videos! :D Anyway, I was trying to find a youtube video of the whole conversation and can't find anything of what Khrysta said (can you post a link please?) all I can find is videos showing the hiker saying "The Kalos Region is nice and all, but you've really got to check out my region. Where is it you ask? I can tell you it's not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh or even Unova" And it even shows them talking to the backpacker again and he just repeats what he said, so I don't know where you read him say all the stuff abotu their own gyms, E4 and so on, but I would really like to please. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrSVZHKSaI )

anyway I REALLY think everyone is looking WAY too much into it. (Gen 7? Already? Come on!) And grossly overlooking the obvious. Remember how Orre was a new region but it was still the same gen? We've already seen the footage for the Wii U (again, youtubers just are incapable of ever shutting the hell up in desperate and failed attempts at being entertaining when they really need to just convey information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAebPeYOaI0 ) so why is a gen 7 MORE likely than simply a new region for the Wii U game? Munchlax was first shown in Colloseum or XD (Can't remember which) and there is already actual indications (not wild speculation based on in game text) of *something* coming for the Wii U. Why not another Orre like region for the Wii U?
I vaguely remember him saying the things Khrysta mentioned, but I think her main point was that since the backpacker specifically states that he is from a region that is not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or Unova (and Kalos), that the people who were saying that the backpacker and the Strange Souvenier point to a Hoenn remake are wrong.


Anyway, I think that maybe we'll be getting a new region to play in the next Gen 6 game.
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I vaguely remember him saying the things Khrysta mentioned, but I think her main point was that since the backpacker specifically states that he is from a region that is not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or Unova (and Kalos), that the people who were saying that the backpacker and the Strange Souvenier point to a Hoenn remake are wrong.


Anyway, I think that maybe we'll be getting a new region to play in the next Gen 6 game.
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anyway I REALLY think everyone is looking WAY too much into it. (Gen 7? Already? Come on!) And grossly overlooking the obvious. Remember how Orre was a new region but it was still the same gen? We've already seen the footage for the Wii U (again, youtubers just are incapable of ever shutting the hell up in desperate and failed attempts at being entertaining when they really need to just convey information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAebPeYOaI0 ) so why is a gen 7 MORE likely than simply a new region for the Wii U game? Munchlax was first shown in Colloseum or XD (Can't remember which) and there is already actual indications (not wild speculation based on in game text) of *something* coming for the Wii U. Why not another Orre like region for the Wii U?
Well major issue with this idea:

Orre is not acknowledged by Gamefreak. Never will be either. Orre does not exist in the real Pokemon timeline which consists of every major title that makes up the core of the games. Red, Blue, Green, Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, White, Black 2, White 2, X and Y.

Please note I do not mention Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, or any of the remakes. Yellow was a special Anime tie in so it is by essence a spin off in the form of a main title, though the special minor events do not exist in reoccuring games nor are they referenced. Crystal is in the same boat as Yellow with this regard as it's events aren't recounted in main titles and the Main protagonist doesn't carry over to a remake. Emerald isn't counted because its a combination of two stories into one story. Well why is Platinum counted then? Looker. He is a re-occuring character through the later series games as well as mentions of the Distortion World cropping up in later versions as well. The remakes were not counted as they are re-tellings of older stories with a few minor tweeks that, again do not carry over into later games.

Orre however is not canon. Pokemon traded from Orre have Hoenn as their origin region in later games, so even with the time gone by, Gamefreak do not count any region not made by them as any form of a real region. With the Backpacker mentioning another region so freely, its the biggest red flag that he is not from a spin off. Since he isn't from an existing region and cannot be from a spin off, he's from a new region we haven't yet been to.

A new Region for the Wii U, if made by Gamefreak will still be Generation 7 especially if it includes new Pokemon that are not in Generation 6 games. Its highly unlikely they'll go to this route with their standard of the games needing to be for handheld systems only though.


I'm trying to pull quotes, but so far I've only found 2 and I think there were 4 in total.

The Kalos Region is nice and all, but you've really got to check out my Region!
Where is it you ask? Well, I can tell you that it's not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or even Unova!

The Kalos region is nice and all, but you should really check out my region!
We have this town that you wouldn't believe... Ah, never mind. You'll see it in due time.


I do remember one about the "Champion"...and I'm trying to recall what the fourth one was without having to wait four days on my Pokemon X since I haven't gotten the Souvenir on it yet.



It has PGL art...wow that thing is ugly.
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This is what I was saying.



Well major issue with this idea:

Orre is not acknowledged by Gamefreak. Never will be either. Orre does not exist in the real Pokemon timeline which consists of every major title that makes up the core of the games. Red, Blue, Green, Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, White, Black 2, White 2, X and Y.

Please note I do not mention Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, or any of the remakes. Yellow was a special Anime tie in so it is by essence a spin off in the form of a main title, though the special minor events do not exist in reoccuring games nor are they referenced. Crystal is in the same boat as Yellow with this regard as it's events aren't recounted in main titles and the Main protagonist doesn't carry over to a remake. Emerald isn't counted because its a combination of two stories into one story. Well why is Platinum counted then? Looker. He is a re-occuring character through the later series games as well as mentions of the Distortion World cropping up in later versions as well. The remakes were not counted as they are re-tellings of older stories with a few minor tweeks that, again do not carry over into later games.

Orre however is not canon. Pokemon traded from Orre have Hoenn as their origin region in later games, so even with the time gone by, Gamefreak do not count any region not made by them as any form of a real region. With the Backpacker mentioning another region so freely, its the biggest red flag that he is not from a spin off. Since he isn't from an existing region and cannot be from a spin off, he's from a new region we haven't yet been to.

A new Region for the Wii U, if made by Gamefreak will still be Generation 7 especially if it includes new Pokemon that are not in Generation 6 games. Its highly unlikely they'll go to this route with their standard of the games needing to be for handheld systems only though.


I'm trying to pull quotes, but so far I've only found 2 and I think there were 4 in total.

The Kalos Region is nice and all, but you've really got to check out my Region!
Where is it you ask? Well, I can tell you that it's not Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or even Unova!

The Kalos region is nice and all, but you should really check out my region!
We have this town that you wouldn't believe... Ah, never mind. You'll see it in due time.


I do remember one about the "Champion"...and I'm trying to recall what the fourth one was without having to wait four days on my Pokemon X since I haven't gotten the Souvenir on it yet.



It has PGL art...wow that thing is ugly.
Ugh, I hate having been at work for over a week and missed so much! Anyway, you're COMPLETELY missing my point in that Orre was a region *for the home console* so what I was trying to say is why is is MORE likely a gen 7 region is coming rather than a Wii U version of the game *with it's own region?*
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Maybe, just maybe. Hmm, Zygarde is rumored to have one(I've also heard two) new formed. Tho it looks nothing.like Zygarde, It could be a item to change his forme in the next game if they make a new region. Anything is Possible..or maybe not :P
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Guess it means a new Generation will be made in a few years time. Perhaps the skeleton on the stone will be a new type.
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Ugh, I hate having been at work for over a week and missed so much! Anyway, you're COMPLETELY missing my point in that Orre was a region *for the home console* so what I was trying to say is why is is MORE likely a gen 7 region is coming rather than a Wii U version of the game *with it's own region?*
And you completely ignore the point that Orre is not official. The main games do not associate with spin offs. The backpacker is talking about a new official main game region that has not been revealed as of yet, not a main console spin off.

Gamefreak does not acknowledge Orre. No its not a real region and doesn't exist as far as the official games are concerned. And that's all that matters. The backpacker's region is a new region, its going to be part of a main series game. New region with new Pokemon is a new generation.

We still have at least a year left in XY before another set comes out, but a new generation appearing next is not out of the question. It has as much of a chance of appearing as Remakes or a third/sequel to Gen 6. If the Wii U has its own region made by another company it won't have anything to do with the strange souvenir. Honestly with the 3DS's current capabilities there isn't even a need for a main console title anymore as their purpose was 3D rendering of Pokemon and to give tournament like battles. All can be done of the 3DS's wifi system now.
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And you completely ignore the point that Orre is not official. The main games do not associate with spin offs. The backpacker is talking about a new official main game region that has not been revealed as of yet, not a main console spin off.

Gamefreak does not acknowledge Orre. No its not a real region and doesn't exist as far as the official games are concerned. And that's all that matters. The backpacker's region is a new region, its going to be part of a main series game. New region with new Pokemon is a new generation.

We still have at least a year left in XY before another set comes out, but a new generation appearing next is not out of the question. It has as much of a chance of appearing as Remakes or a third/sequel to Gen 6. If the Wii U has its own region made by another company it won't have anything to do with the strange souvenir. Honestly with the 3DS's current capabilities there isn't even a need for a main console title anymore as their purpose was 3D rendering of Pokemon and to give tournament like battles. All can be done of the 3DS's wifi system now.
Seriously, are you just not reading my posts or something? FORGET Orre, I was making a COMPARISON between the fact that when a console game has come out it's a different region than the handheld games. There's already footage of a possible Wii U game, it's obviously not going to be set in Kalos, therefore simple logic dictates it's going to be set in a different region than X and Y. I honestly don't know how to explain it any more clearly than I have 3 times. I never once said the Wii U game (if it exists) is going to be set in Orre, the amazing thing about making games is just because it's made on a console doesn't mean it HAS to be named orre, it can be named Puppymills, Goldfishenshire, Margentironominowitzenstein, ANYTHING, I unbelievably clearly said that like the gamecube games had their own region, the Wii U game could have it's own, yet you fixate on that Orre isn't cannon (even though Lucario and Munchlax both were first shown in the Gamecube games, but since its not cannon, I guess by that logic Munchlax and Lucario don't exist.) Can you please stop fixating on what you THINK I said and actually read what I did please? Thank you.
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Seriously, are you just not reading my posts or something? FORGET Orre, I was making a COMPARISON between the fact that when a console game has come out it's a different region than the handheld games. There's already footage of a possible Wii U game, it's obviously not going to be set in Kalos, therefore simple logic dictates it's going to be set in a different region than X and Y. I honestly don't know how to explain it any more clearly than I have 3 times. I never once said the Wii U game (if it exists) is going to be set in Orre, the amazing thing about making games is just because it's made on a console doesn't mean it HAS to be named orre, it can be named Puppymills, Goldfishenshire, Margentironominowitzenstein, ANYTHING, I unbelievably clearly said that like the gamecube games had their own region, the Wii U game could have it's own, yet you fixate on that Orre isn't cannon (even though Lucario and Munchlax both were first shown in the Gamecube games, but since its not cannon, I guess by that logic Munchlax and Lucario don't exist.) Can you please stop fixating on what you THINK I said and actually read what I did please? Thank you.
You are the one that cannot seem to read as no you never mention anything of the sort. You only kept repeating that the Souvenir is a hint towards a region for the Wii U and kept bringing Orre as your only example. To which the response was, no the Souvenir is a reference to a new MAIN SERIES GAME. Not a Main Console spin off. The Main series games DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE spin off titles as part of Canon history. Further case in point, Orre does not exist in the Canon story. There are no references or links made to Orre in ANY of the main title games. Pokemon traded from Orre to Gen 3 titles are Hoenn or Kanto origin, which ever game they were traded to. What ever Wii U title is coming out will have nothing to do with the Strange Souvenir. Orre and the Gamecube games are also the only two Spin offs on a main console with a regional name. No other Main console game existed in a region, so the premise of your information is false. If the Wii U title is a fighting game as it is rumored to be, it most likely won't have a region either.

The MAIN games make no references to any spin off. Gamefreak don't acknowledge the existance of Spin off titles or any game not made by them. Also what you failed to realize was the Munchlax reference in Gale, Lucario and Riolu references in the PMD games are REFERNCES FROM SPIN OFFS TO MAIN TITLES. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of your information. They have to acknowledge canon creatures, even as hints to new games. The Main games however do not do this.

The Souvenir is a reference to a new MAIN TITLE game, the backpacker is making references to a new Main region, which based on current standards, is a reference to Generation 7. Even if we don't get it for another two years as per the normal time limit. The Souvenir and Backpacker are from another main series title that does not as of yet exist.
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Please note I do not mention Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, or any of the remakes. Yellow was a special Anime tie in so it is by essence a spin off in the form of a main title, though the special minor events do not exist in reoccuring games nor are they referenced. Crystal is in the same boat as Yellow with this regard as it's events aren't recounted in main titles and the Main protagonist doesn't carry over to a remake. Emerald isn't counted because its a combination of two stories into one story. Well why is Platinum counted then? Looker. He is a re-occuring character through the later series games as well as mentions of the Distortion World cropping up in later versions as well. The remakes were not counted as they are re-tellings of older stories with a few minor tweeks that, again do not carry over into later games.
Wallace can be battled in the Champion Tournament in B2/W2 and he is only a Champion in Emerald, which means Emerald has to be canon.

Maybe they will do something similar to B2/W2 to a much grander scale. You start your adventure in a new region but travel to Kalos after you become champion(basically Gen2).
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Wallace can be battled in the Champion Tournament in B2/W2 and he is only a Champion in Emerald, which means Emerald has to be canon.
Not necessarily true. PWT was an add on that isn't part of the main story. He appears as a champion because they needed a specific number and chose to use him for Champion instead of Gym Leader since he also held that title, just as they did with Blue who also held both Gym Leader and Champion title. Koga also despite being a Gym Leader, wasn't available in the tournament and was replaced by his daughter and Giovanni who Blue originally replaced took Blue's spot as Gym Leader to fill in the gap that was made. That's why Juan was used as a Gym Leader, because they needed a specific number of Champion but two of the champions created holes in the Gym Leader Roster.

Other than that, what you quoted was my opinion and not a fact. I never said they weren't Canon as they are all main titles. Yellow was just based off the anime, Crystal was testing the waters with diverted story and adding a female protagonist. All Emerald was was a fusion of Ruby and Sapphire. On its own, it has nothing specially spectacular about it.



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Maybe they will do something similar to B2/W2 to a much grander scale. You start your adventure in a new region but travel to Kalos after you become champion(basically Gen2).
As I've said a few times now, That is still Gen 7. If they make a new region, its a new generation as a Main game.
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In the story about the war in Kalos the game mentioned neighboring regions. I think the backpacker is referencing one of those. I'm hoping it's an area we can visit in XY2 or whatever comes next. Hopefully we start getting some news for new games this summer. :D

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You are the one that cannot seem to read as no you never mention anything of the sort. You only kept repeating that the Souvenir is a hint towards a region for the Wii U and kept bringing Orre as your only example. To which the response was, no the Souvenir is a reference to a new MAIN SERIES GAME. Not a Main Console spin off. The Main series games DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE spin off titles as part of Canon history. Further case in point, Orre does not exist in the Canon story. There are no references or links made to Orre in ANY of the main title games. Pokemon traded from Orre to Gen 3 titles are Hoenn or Kanto origin, which ever game they were traded to. What ever Wii U title is coming out will have nothing to do with the Strange Souvenir. Orre and the Gamecube games are also the only two Spin offs on a main console with a regional name. No other Main console game existed in a region, so the premise of your information is false. If the Wii U title is a fighting game as it is rumored to be, it most likely won't have a region either.

The MAIN games make no references to any spin off. Gamefreak don't acknowledge the existance of Spin off titles or any game not made by them. Also what you failed to realize was the Munchlax reference in Gale, Lucario and Riolu references in the PMD games are REFERNCES FROM SPIN OFFS TO MAIN TITLES. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of your information. They have to acknowledge canon creatures, even as hints to new games. The Main games however do not do this.

The Souvenir is a reference to a new MAIN TITLE game, the backpacker is making references to a new Main region, which based on current standards, is a reference to Generation 7. Even if we don't get it for another two years as per the normal time limit. The Souvenir and Backpacker are from another main series title that does not as of yet exist.
Are you serious? Is this some sort of joke? They never even ANNOUNCED a Wii U Game, that was my ASSUMPTION, so if they never announced the game how can you POSSIBLY say it's a spin off game? How are you SO arrogant that you can't fathom that maybe, (JUST MAYBE) the console game is NOT a spin off, but rather another mainline game? IS THAT what your whole problem is? That console games must ALWAYS be spin offs? No one ever, EVER said that once. The Wii U game is all blind speculation, btu you speak with authority that it (a game that for all we know doens't exist) MUST be a spin off and MUST be set in orre? Wow. That hurts my brain. It really does.

The two years time limit is not for a new gen, it's for the third in the series (or the sequel, as was the case for Black and White 2) http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_games_by_release_date

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Also what you failed to realize was the Munchlax reference in Gale, Lucario and Riolu references in the PMD games are REFERNCES FROM SPIN OFFS TO MAIN TITLES. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of your information. They have to acknowledge canon creatures, even as hints to new games.
Again, not reading. I said (again, VERY clearly)
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Gale of Darkness - Release Date - Aug 2005 in Japan , Diamon and Pearl released Sept 2006 (And yes, in my haste I typed Lucario when I meant to type Bonsly apparently, but the poit is still the same, 2 gen 4 pokemon were shown in the gamecube games BEFORE they came out in the handheld games, so how is saying exactly what chronoligically happened "the complete opposite" of what I said when you can look up release dates right here on the internet?)

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You are the one that cannot seem to read as no you never mention anything of the sort.
Really? I don't mention it's a comparison? Not even in the post you yourself quoted?
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anyway I REALLY think everyone is looking WAY too much into it. (Gen 7? Already? Come on!) And grossly overlooking the obvious. Remember how Orre was a new region but it was still the same gen? We've already seen the footage for the Wii U (again, youtubers just are incapable of ever shutting the hell up in desperate and failed attempts at being entertaining when they really need to just convey information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAebPeYOaI0 ) so why is a gen 7 MORE likely than simply a new region for the Wii U game? Munchlax was first shown in Colloseum or XD (Can't remember which) and there is already actual indications (not wild speculation based on in game text) of *something* coming for the Wii U. Why not another Orre like region for the Wii U?
Yeah, I hate it when I don't say things I clearly already said. Glad you quoted me, it made it easier for me to find.
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Are you serious? Is this some sort of joke? They never even ANNOUNCED a Wii U Game, that was my ASSUMPTION, so if they never announced the game how can you POSSIBLY say it's a spin off game? How are you SO arrogant that you can't fathom that maybe, (JUST MAYBE) the console game is NOT a spin off, but rather another mainline game? IS THAT what your whole problem is? That console games must ALWAYS be spin offs? No one ever, EVER said that once. The Wii U game is all blind speculation, btu you speak with authority that it (a game that for all we know doens't exist) MUST be a spin off and MUST be set in orre? Wow. That hurts my brain. It really does.
I think the thing is is that the Strange Souvenier does not point to or have anything to do with a (main series) WiiU Pokemon game because:
1) The main series games never reference the spin-off games
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2) The main series games have never been on a console, and there is zero indication that Game Freak will ever put the main series games on anything other than handhelds.

Does that help? Am I even on the same page?
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Are you serious? Is this some sort of joke? They never even ANNOUNCED a Wii U Game, that was my ASSUMPTION, so if they never announced the game how can you POSSIBLY say it's a spin off game? How are you SO arrogant that you can't fathom that maybe, (JUST MAYBE) the console game is NOT a spin off, but rather another mainline game?
1) Gamefreak has never made a Pokemon game for the main console.
2) Gamefreak has expressed severe dislike to the idea of making an MAIN game for a home console as they are supposed to be for the handheld systems only.
3) If the game is not made by Gamefreak, it is a Spinoff and holds no place in the main series. Since the Backpacker reference is in a main game, it is for a future main game and not a spin off.

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IS THAT what your whole problem is? That console games must ALWAYS be spin offs? No one ever, EVER said that once. The Wii U game is all blind speculation, btu you speak with authority that it (a game that for all we know doens't exist) MUST be a spin off and MUST be set in orre? Wow. That hurts my brain. It really does.
I never said it was set if Orre. You used Orre as an example, I corrected your incorrect statement. Orre isn't related to any main series, and isn't recognized by Gamefreak. Since Gamefreak doesn't recognize spin offs as official they would make no connection between their games and any spin off created area such as Orre.

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The two years time limit is not for a new gen, it's for the third in the series (or the sequel, as was the case for Black and White 2) http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_games_by_release_date
Why are you so sure we're getting a third game? That pattern was already broken and holds no truth anymore. Two years is plenty of time between main games. Especially since they start working on the next one as soon as they finished the last one. With proper technology they have plenty of time to make a new region and game in a two year span, especially if they can alter and update older games to newer specifications in a year or so from the last game release.





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Again, not reading. I said (again, VERY clearly)

Gale of Darkness - Release Date - Aug 2005 in Japan , Diamon and Pearl released Sept 2006 (And yes, in my haste I typed Lucario when I meant to type Bonsly apparently, but the poit is still the same, 2 gen 4 pokemon were shown in the gamecube games BEFORE they came out in the handheld games, so how is saying exactly what chronoligically happened "the complete opposite" of what I said when you can look up release dates right here on the internet?)
Please tell me how a sneak peek into the next games through use of a Spin off is the same thing as a spin off appearing in a main series game hint when the creators of the main series do not acknowledge the existence of spin off information. Gale wasn't the only game to showcase Gen 4 Pokemon before the release. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon did it as well. Orre still doesn't exist and isn't related to the main series. Its its own standalone universe that was used as a marketing strategy to showcase possible new Pokemon a head of time, just as the Anime does.

You are saying that the Strange Souvenir is a reference to a Spin Off despite that spin offs aren't recognized by Gamefreak.



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Really? I don't mention it's a comparison? Not even in the post you yourself quoted?


Yeah, I hate it when I don't say things I clearly already said. Glad you quoted me, it made it easier for me to find.
Orre was not a new region in the generation. Its a stand alone game that doesn't link up to any generation in particular. It came out at the time of Ruby and Sapphire, but the game set itself isn't part of generation 3. The only games part of the generation 3 set are the main games, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Fire Red, and Leaf Green. Orre doesn't appear in any main game data. Origin Region for Pokemon from either Orre game is overridden to become Kanto or Hoenn depending on which you traded to.

Gen 7 is more likely because it is a Reference IN A MAIN SERIES GAME MEANING IT IS A NEW MAIN SERIES GAME. As far as the MAIN SERIES is concerned, New Region with new Gym leaders, new champion, and NEW POKEMON (which the Strange Souvenir is based after a new Legendary Pokemon according to the Backpacker), then it is a New Generation. That's how EVERY main series game has been. A New Region, with New Pokemon, new Gym Leaders, and New Elite 4 and Champion.

The Showing of the new Pokemon game that they had shown before. A lot of people were saying it looked like a Fighting game. It could have been Super Smash Bros. It could be something new, but it has NOTHING to do with the Backpacker and his hint. Gamefreak doesn't make Pokemon Spinoff games. They make Main series games. They don't want to make home console games because those aren't what the Pokemon main games should be put on according to their set standards. If its an Orre like region, The Strange Souvenir will have Nothing to do with it and its not the region that the backpacker was mentioning.

Letting us know in the next year still gives them a year to release, which would also put it to a three year gap. We got our first official Gen 6 Movie using both Yveltal and Xerneas, a year after release. It has Diancie, first of three hidden Pokemon. Give another year for Volcannion and/or Hoopla to appear in their movie, and then the last to appear sometime before the launch of the new gen games. There is plenty of time. We already were told we aren't getting add on content to the current games, and if Spin offs are supposed to tie us over, then oh well on that.

Its also been almost a year since this has surfaced. Really should have heard something about it by now. Slim chance its related to Smash since Blaziken hasn't been confirmed for play in it. Could be a new game you want, but that, as mentioned already, has nothing to do with the Strange Souvenir or the backpacker. Could be a rumored Pokemon Fighting game. Background fits with all three, and style matches SSB for the Wii U. Blaziken could have been concept only and trashed for Greninja or Charizard. Almost a year and nothing said about it. Most games that go under the radar for that long are games that were cancelled. Especially since it was showcased before the release of X and Y and after said release we've still heard nothing new.

There are a number of things it can be, but there is one thing it has a chance to not be, a Main Game. It still has nothing to do with the Backpacker or Strange Souvenir.

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I think the thing is is that the Strange Souvenier does not point to or have anything to do with a (main series) WiiU Pokemon game because:
1) The main series games never reference the spin-off games
and
2) The main series games have never been on a console, and there is zero indication that Game Freak will ever put the main series games on anything other than handhelds.

Does that help? Am I even on the same page?
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I believe the pokemon shown in the strange souvenir is wearing a mask and that's not it's real face. Make of that what you will.
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We all thought Pokemon Grey and Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire remakes were going to come back in Gen V, but we were wrong.
Please don't pretend to speak for everyone. If you knew me then this statement here is not true. I did not believe Grey was coming. I did not believe we were getting remakes. I still don't believe we're getting remakes. Could we get them? yes. Do I believe or think we're getting them? no. Why? Game wise I see no proof of them coming. I didn't see them coming in Gen 5 when hints were supposedly right there slapping you in the face.

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Please, don't make these assumptions and then start raging at another user over them. We don't know. Speculate all you want, but don't start stating your opinions as fact. Especially over something as silly as this.
You did not read a single thing apparently, read the last post only and made assumptions about how this whole discussion went down. Look at the pot calling the kettle black.

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What we do NOT know:
1. We do not know if Game Freak will actually include this region in a future game.
2. We do not know if there are new Pokemon in this region.
3. We do not know if this region will be a "main game region."
4. We do not know if this region will be on a handheld.
5. Even if this region does include new Pokemon, we do not know whether or not they will serve as "teasers" for a Pokemon that does not officially exist yet.
Actually they are fairly predictable. Even with minor differences, they have been fairly predictable with the major outcome if you know what to look for.

1) No we don't know, it could very well be nothing. My entire point was that the Strange Souvenir has NOTHING to do with Hoenn. Its not related to a Spin off either. So either way, both of those are incorrect. Its not an opinion, that is a fact. They do not acknowledge Spin offs. Anything they make would be a Main Series game. Could they make a Spin off? Sure, but the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none.

2) The Idol itself is said to be based on a Legendary Pokemon, a Pokemon that holds great significance to that region. Even if that is the ONLY pokemon added, it is a New Pokemon in a New Region. Gen 6 proved you do not need a large number of Pokemon per region. There could be more, but there is at least 1 new Pokemon that does not exist in current game's coding said to be in that region.

3) We do know it will be a Main Region if it exists. Gamefreak doesn't make Spin offs. This isn't an opinion. This is a fact. If you don't believe it, name one Spin Off that Gamefreak made to current date. I can tell you know that there are none. All other Pokemon games are made by Chun Soft, Genius Sonority, or Creatures Inc. Hal Studios was involved with a few as well. Gamefreak has never made a Spin Off and being the main focus of the Core Pokemon world, there isn't a likely chance they'll delve into spin offs. A reference in a main game is either something that won't happen for a while, Munna reference back in Generation 1, or something that may never happen. Gamefreak has no game data on Orre related titles or any of the Ranger game data. The origin data changes to that of the game that receives the Pokemon, so The Orre Pokemon are from Kanto or Hoenn while the Almia, Fiore, or Oblivia sent Pokemon are Johto or Sinnoh origin when sent to those games. This also isn't opinion. None of mine sent from them say anything but one of the four older regions depending on what game receives them. Even Event Pokemon do this based on what game they were received on.

4) The core of the games are handhelds. Unless Nintendo stops making handheld consoles, the chances of a main Pokemon game appearing on a home console are pathetically low. Not slim to none, just very low. Like around a 20% chance at the very least. The Wii U doesn't have a lot to play off of so if they wanted to do a Main game on a home console, it would be with the next generation home console unless the Wii U can pick up its sales. If Nintendo can get an Oculus, then the chances would probably go up seeing as Pokemon in that kinda game format would be amazing and would be more innovative to attempt. The standings for home consoles aren't held very highly by the mother company either. Its a safe assumption to say that Gamefreak will not work for home console since it goes against the principle of Pokemon's social aspect. In their home country where they pull way more hand on research from, the minor aspect of going out and meeting other people is much higher due to the Japanese way of life. It doesn't work as well in other countries due to severe difference in lifestyle, but local trading is the main social drive for the pokemon games and continues to this day to be a core mechanic that is focused on as a reason to make the games. Else we'd have had a central game without exclusives by now.

The reason why the games are made in pairs is to encourage children to interact with one another to collect all the Pokemon they can. That's also why Event Pokemon exist and why more and more keep being created. So that the company can hold events that pulls children together to collect these and interact with one another. This is a reason why the countries outside of Japan get less events.

5) Unless they are just references in a spin off game not made by gamefreak, cannot be caught and only seen, or are only there in image and not actually in the game. Its be a new generation. Even with just one new catch-able Pokemon, if the game has a story focused on a new region, with new gym leaders, new Pokemon, new trainers, etc, its a new generation. They would refer to it as a new generation themselves. These seem to be the only trademarked examples of what constitutes a new generation. In truth, if they make a new game with no new Pokemon at all and call it a new Generation, then well its still a new generation. Though so far every new Generation has had new Pokemon. 6 generations worth of games is more than enough to solidify that as a fact.

Kindly take your own advice.


So far if I stated it as a fact, then odds are it was. I only search for facts based on what has been found. Everything I used has been a fact for a long time. Facts can change over time. What is true today can be different tomorrow. As of right now, Gamefreak does not make Spin offs, this is a fact. Gamefreak does not support the idea of making a game for the home console, this is a fact. Gamefreak doesn't have coded data for Orre, Almia, Oblivia, Fiore, or Ransei, this is a fact. Pulling all of this together, the conclusion comes to The backpacker and the Strange Souvenir are not from a Spin Off, nor do they relate to Hoenn. They are from another region. If his region were to be used as a hint as to what is to come next, then that is generation 7. This much is a speculation, but all points against it being a spin off are still facts used to support the theory.
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Again, you're assuming this is a new Pokemon. Essentially, you are saying that "because this region has an idol based on a Legendary Pokemon, the idol must be a new Pokemon." We don't know that. It could be a new Forme for an old Pokemon.
I am not assuming anything. It is a Pokemon that is not depicted in the current data. A Pokemon revered in a far away region that hasn't yet been announced.



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This is not a fact. A fact contains indisputable proof. Lack of proof in either direction does not make your side a fact.
No facts are not indisputable proofs. They are things that have, as of yet not been proven to be false. Many "Facts" in history have changed with new findings. It was a Fact that the earth was flat until sailors made a complete trip around the world. It was a Fact that the Sun revolved around the Earth until a new theory discovered that it was the other way around. A fact is an accepted truth that cannot be refuted at that time due to lack of evidence to back up claims against.

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Various forms of what a fact is. The very first two fit in with everything I have said. Based on real occurrences, and information(something) known to have existed as well as the fourth fits, believed to be true or real.

Before Generation 5, yes it was a fact that we have had 3 main games per region since Generation 2.

It is currently a fact that Gamefreak does not make Spin Offs.

It is currently a fact that Gamefreak doesn't have data based on Spin Off locations.

Facts can change when the source of the fact changes. If Gamefreak makes a Spin Off, then the fact that they don't make Spin Offs will no longer be a fact.


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Just because it is unlikely that Game Freak will make a spin-off does not mean they won't make a spin-off. This is another logical fallacy. You are assuming that all games Game Freak will ever make are not going to be spin-offs. It is unlikely they will, but not impossible. Just because I am unlikely to be hit by lightning in my lifetime does not mean I won't be hit by lightning in my lifetime.
That is again not an assumption. You are the only one making assumptions of what you believe the other person to be saying. Please where do I say they absolutely never will make Spin Off games? They are the core designers. By standards they are held to uphold the main games. It is currently a fact that they don't make spin offs and therefore it is a fact that they will not reference a potential spin off in their game. Why? Because it is a fact that they don't acknowledge spin off information in their main games. The spin offs do not exist in the main series and that is a fact.

Because they have never done it IS a fact that leads to the belief that it will not be done. It is generally accepted that they won't so until they do make a Spin Off, it is an accepted fact that they don't deal in spin offs to their creation. They have three other companies, one of which is owned by TPC which owns all rights to Pokemon trademark and is the sister company to Gamefreak. That company is Creatures Inc which makes a good number of Pokemon Spin Offs. Until Gamefreak does make a Spin Off, it is a fact that they don't deal in Spin Offs. Then and only then will there be a contradiction with the current set of facts.



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Well, that's what I'm saying. We can't really tell either way. That could be the case, or it might not be the case. That's the entire point I've been trying to tell you in both of my posts. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer for you.
At this point I don't think you know what you are talking about because no that isn't what you are saying. What you are trying to say and what you quoted me saying are two completely different things. My quote is saying that unless the references are in a Spin Off not made by Gamefreak the Strange Souvenir is not a reference to a Spin Off title. Its in a Main Series game so the Souvenir is a reference to a Main Series game. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. It could be another Munna scenario. Referenced now and may not appear for another 4 generations. I am saying if you want to say that the Backpacker and Strange Souvenir are hints to anything, then its to another generation later down the line. Either it could be the next one, the 7th Pokemon generation or it could be the 12th generation or the 15th generation or the 9th generation. Its the first time they actually purposefully put a hint in like this. It could mean absolutely nothing. It could be a scrapped idea because they do it all the time, Cacophony in Gen 3, God Stone in Gen 5, Berserk Gene in Gen 2. Before Gen 5, Lock Capsule was also one of the unused items that held no purpose.


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I've asked questions, not made assumptions; I never strayed from my own advice.
All you've been doing is making assumptions about a conversation you weren't a part of and trying to assert a holier than thou attitude with your own improperly targeted attacks. Trying to correct someone else on what you think is incorrect is making an assumption. You assume the opposite of what I believe. It is called a difference of opinion. This happens even when given the same facts. We will both read it differently and pull different information from the same facts presented to us. Based on what could have been only half of the conversation or even just the post you initially responded to, you assumed I was throwing opinions around. You used an improper definition of a word to defend your own entitled response in an attempt to throw dirt on my reply. All you have been doing is making an assumption of facts that you choose to look through. Don't make your own assumptions and throw your own opinions around as facts. Your own advice, please follow it.



Facts around the backpacker and Strange Souvenir:

Not native to Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, or Kalos
Not a Pokemon in the current National dex. (Not a Pokemon that exists in any of the 6 current generations)

Facts related to outside of the game:
Gamefreak doesn't deal in Spin Off titles.
Gamefreak doesn't support the idea of Main titles on home console.

These are current facts that discredit two main theories of:
related to Spin Off Console title.
related to Hoenn remakes.


This is what I have been saying the entire argument. Its very long winded so I can understand getting lost and focusing on the wrong subject at hand. Bottom line to my entire point, the Strange Souvenir and the Backpacker aren't related to whether or not we are getting Hoenn Remakes or whether or not we're getting a Wii U console Pokemon game.

Based on other outside fact(s):
New Region, New Pokemon = New Generation

You can conclude that IF its anything of a hint, its to a new generation. That is only IF you consider it a hint at all. I don't play in that ballpark. Things like these are easter eggs. They don't mean more than what they usually show. Munna's description discovery was an hindsight discovery. She wasn't referenced then and brought in later. Gamefreak as eloquently put earlier, is full of trolls. They know their fans bleed over these types of things and could have thrown this in for their own giggles. As I said, despite the constant roar for Grey and Hoenn Remakes through Gen 5, I did not believe we'd get either. Despite what is being said now, I do not believe we are getting them now. Could we get them despite this? Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't believe we will or that I don't see what others call hints as anything more than fun little easter eggs built into the games.
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Hoenn confirmed. Maybe it's some reference for Gen.Vll.
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