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Old March 9th, 2005 (7:13 PM).
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Yeah anyway, Vote Lion Heart for Pres.

The election is in the announcements section.

Is there anyone who can Subflailrev at the same time other than Smeargle and Vigoroth?
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Old March 9th, 2005 (7:17 PM).
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kirby sed no already.

More thingies.
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Old March 9th, 2005 (7:18 PM).
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That sucks then.

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The Dodrio thing, very risky, but yeah, I saw it somewhere before. The worst thing is choice band. A sub Rev hera can M-horn with swarm for stuff it can't affect, but the Dodrio... you'll need to get rid of lots of threats before doing anything. Btw, thanks for crediting me for the Avatar LH. Homework's a killer... haven't been posting much lately yar.
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Old March 10th, 2005 (4:49 AM).
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The idea is to Sub down to 1HP, switch out, kill everything that will stop it, then bring him back in.
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Old March 10th, 2005 (4:52 AM).
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Yeah, I read about it. Blah.
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Old March 10th, 2005 (4:33 PM).
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why not just use liechi? u get the same attack when it activates, and u dont have to do switching

also here are all the pokemon that can learn reversal and flail again: heracross, vigaroth, smeargle and slaking.
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cause they will just switch in something that counters you
then you switch out and the berry is negated
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The idea is to evade berry negation, like Hustle said <_< Hustle.

It's a good idea, as you can Sub down, then switch, and not lose the extra power, the thing is, you need to wipe out anything that resists Flail, and rid TTars Sandstream (If it pops up), before bringing him back in, which is why having a Mixed Sweeper such as Blaziken could help (Fire > Steel, Fighting > Rock)
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yep, and y'all know what i say about blazekin! the only pokemon that can STAB sweep skarm/bliss w/ ease. speaking of him, why not post his moveset since he has reversal!

blazekein
endure:@ salac
reversal
overheat/flamethrower
eq/rockslide

or:
endure
reversal
fireblast/fthrower
quick attack/sunny day

this gives hax to stop first turn hitters, and also sunny day is to be used when u predict a switch to ty... ty comes in the turn u sunnyday, so their hopes are drowned, and u get a free turn to attack, b/c who wants to fight a 1 lifed, stabbed reversal that is se from ty, so they will prob switch out, u will 1hko their switch. and then they will have 2 send ty in to sstorm u. also it reduces water attacks by 1/2. (if u havent used endure yet, then its good vs water types, and it boosts fire blast (which is helpful b/c its alot of damage, hax a 30% burn, and doesnt lower sp a!
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Heres one thats fairly unexpected in UU play.

Yanma @ Liechi
Speed Boost

~Protect/Aerial Ace/HP Flying
~Substitute
~Reversal
~Shadow Ball

Protect is optional if you opponent is using say an Aero. You are slower at first so Protect, then SB will bring you above their speed.

Hey a little off topic. kirbs did you leave the Shiny Hunters Club? I read some early posts and you joined.
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ya, i think they posted faster than I could keep up w/.. anyways, I do have a shiny crobat in my game! it evolved from golbat at lvl 51! took forever, had 2 give it evs boosts with iron, protein, etc. anyways, thats why cro is 1 of my favs!
also i tried the yanma thing like 3 weeks ago, its good, but reversal is still kind of weak, even w/ the liechi berry. i suggest, maybe *with compound eyes: @ leftovers (for sandstorm), or leichi
sub, reversal, hypnosis, screech/swagger *they will probably switch after the hypnosis, and u will probably have used sub on the switch, so if u swagger them, they will have chance to hurt them selves, or u will screech instead *on the switch, and sub till at low life to reversal
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That Yanma could work, unfortunately you have to sacrifice speed boost tho, which means Aero and Jolt will beat you, not that they come into UU play...

On the topic off shinies, Im not gonna touch my Cubone in the forseeable future. I always leave them as I catch them usually. And I missed out on a shiny Rhyhorn the other day. >.<
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if it makes u feel better, u can use endure instead of sub (but only ty can beat u or qa,etc)
also shinies are kind of annoying b/c u know if u see 1 and miss it ull regret it forever lol. especially in the safari zone and similar places... lol, **** heracross!
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Old March 11th, 2005 (8:50 PM).
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Too bad Salamence can't get Flail from Gyarados, it would make it even more OUed than it already is. And why is a +1 Salamence so dangerous compaired to a +1 Gyrados or even a +2 Tyranitar?
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Because it just is...

It has a higher attack stat than both of them, it hits 405 unboosted IIRC..

After a +1 that is 607(.5)

Tyranitar CAN hit 403 unboosted, but usually people put some EV's into his defences and HP, which makes him slightly less dangerous (As most Salamences are MAXED in Atk).
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Err... I think you mean boosted...
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>_>

Last I checked he hit 403 unboosted, with a + attack nature.
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>_>

Last I checked he hit 403 unboosted, with a + attack nature.
That means boosted. Amusing fellow. What makes it funnier is the ">_>" face.
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<_<

I thought boosted was a stat boost

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Because it just is...

It has a higher attack stat than both of them, it hits 405 unboosted IIRC..

After a +1 that is 607(.5)

Tyranitar CAN hit 403 unboosted, but usually people put some EV's into his defences and HP, which makes him slightly less dangerous (As most Salamences are MAXED in Atk).
I think the thing about Tyranitar is SPEED. Bleargh. Err, anyway, if you meant boosted in that way, then nvm.
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What about a cb Slaking? If you are good at predicting, you can endure a hit to 1 HP, then switch out. Later you can send him in and use Flail. Then switch out and Flail again after one of your pokes faints. Choice Band acts as a permanent Liechi boost, so it's fine to switch out. Make sure it has max speed EVs and a Jolly nature, since it doesn't get Salac. I'm not sure what the best moveset would be for a Flailking, but I think this could work out. Take care.

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I'd have to work on this.
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What about a cb Slaking? If you are good at predicting, you can endure a hit to 1 HP, then switch out. Later you can send him in and use Flail. Then switch out and Flail again after one of your pokes faints. Choice Band acts as a permanent Liechi boost, so it's fine to switch out. Make sure it has max speed EVs and a Jolly nature, since it doesn't get Salac. I'm not sure what the best moveset would be for a Flailking, but I think this could work out. Take care.

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I'd have to work on this.
Slaking doesn't need Rev/Flail to get OHKOs so it's redundent (and risky)
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You want to do that, you should use Vigoroth, at worst.
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and slaking has a sexy amount of HP and decent defenses
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